And as for the subject, which show was screwed the most by Fox, Terminator has a very big ace in the hole. Almost everyone associated with "Firefly" has moved on to greener pastures: Fillion has Castle, Adam Baldwin had Chuck for five years, Alan Tudyk got many big movie roles including Steve the Pirate and all those robots in I, Robot. Even Joss Whedon is rocking The Avengers this summer, as well as some secret Shakespeare movie with his favorite past casts. They got cancelled, but they all had stuff to go to. Even Summer Glau had...well Terminator. Meanwhile, when TSCC got the axe, the cast disappeared. Dillahunt got Raising Hope, and that was about it. Dekker, Lena Headey, Green, and all the supporting players have yet to star in anything as big since. Summer Glau's biggest win since? The Cape. Ouch.
Dan: Contrary to popular belief, I do judge the debates in a very literal sense. Each episode is filmed in order, and after the drinking portion (assuming no one has achieved the "Spit-take" win) Chris and Kyle turn to me and ask who won. After reflecting on the debate I just filmed, I give my verdict and we film their reaction to victory or defeat. While editing, I must reverse engineer the point system based on my decision, to match the footage.
However...in the case where the sheer hilarity of comments has caused a spit-take, I am freed to do whatever I want because (in my best Drew Carey voice) the points don't matter.
So, with that in mind let me explain why the points landed where they did. The first point went to me (Dan) based on my comment that, while Firefly had reached its quality peak, TSCC was still ascending to unknown heights of quality. My ruling was that the hypothetical zenith that TSCC could reach was tea-bagged by Fox much harder than Firefly's established abilities.
The next point also went to me, (no, me being judge and debater did not influence my decisions, so shut up about it) was about Summer Glau. Many have said she is the kiss of death to shows, and for the life of me I can't name one show she graced that is still on the air. However, she does look as if she could be related to Olivia Wilde, and that is great. Think about this; In TSCC, Summerbot will do whatever John wants. Tell me he wasn't going to Frak that toaster eventually. In Firefly, Summernut didn't take anyone's orders, and was questionably underage anyways. She was never groomed to be a sex symbol, unless you're a pervert. Stop being a pervert.
Next point went to Kyle (Yay, Kyle!) for his comment that the villains after Summernut were introduced without fleshing them out. Yes, it was a shame, especially after seeing them melt everyone's brains with that extend-o-matic whateveritwas.
Kyle gets a point by bringing up the "Aired out of order" defense." Obvious, but true.
Next up, point for me on mentioning the killing a main character then bringing him back in the final episode. To this day, I am still in awe at the quickness that John Connor's uncle was shot in the face. They didn't even give it a music crescendo or a close-up on anyone's face. It got all the attention of a James Bond henchman being mowed down. Then to bring him back in a way that would allow the series to keep going with him? Brilliant.
Finally I get a point by mentioning that TSCC is an action movie, which requires an ending more than the soap opera that was Firefly. Don't get offended, the new Battlestar Galactica was also a soap opera. Soaps can be good if you set them in space. I'm pretty sure that's possible.
Alas, I was having so much fun that I couldn't keep from laughing at Kyle. Honestly he could have read from the phone book and it would've set me off.
See you all next week, and feel free to post further questions you have for us. We will do our best to answer them.