hmm, jedi vs. ender (from the book "ender's game")
ender can blow up a whole planet!

Jedi v. David Bowie...he's magic, you know what I'm talking about if you've seen The Venture Bros.

Jedi vs any of the anti-psyker tools in 40k = SPLODED.

Jedi loose in any universe where shotguns have been invented.

Its allready been said but Magneto would own.

A 8th generation or older vampire from Vampire: The Masquerade would own as well, Tremere anyone, how you gonna swing a sword when your bloods boiling?

Jedi v. Aliens - Note the plural, as in a similar number to those found in Aliens 3. First time he sabers one hes going down in an acid spray.

Jedi v. A man with a shotgun - What he gonna do other than get splattered with boiling hot lead. Id take a gun anyday over those pussy assed lasers everyone seems to use.

Ciarog:
Jedi loose in any universe where shotguns have been invented.

Force lift the gun away ftw. If they can pull it off (not many could).

Mostly, I agree though.

Or just force stop the spray. I'm pretty sure that would be a lower level technique.
And don't forget that the point is a Jedi *Master* too.

Caim. My vote goes irrevocably to Caim from Drakengard.

When else have you seen a guy able to take on a whole army and come out the other side practically unscathed ('Cept for Freeman)?

Okay I voted yes because in Star Wars Episode 1, Qui-Gon Jinn himself told young Anakin Skywalker that Jedi are beatable. However:

- Keep in mind the OP said that for this topic Jedi now include BOTH light/dark siders.
- So far we've seen in the movies that it takes a multitude of enemies to take out even the less skilled Masters. i.e. Ayala Secura getting taken out by a group of Clone Troopers. *single tear*

NOW, lets say we have a Jedi at full possible potential. Lets make him Neutral for fucks sake so we stop crying about Sith or Jedi alignment, also now he takes NO penalties for using any force powers from light or dark side because he's Neutral. So he can use Force Kill, or Force Heal. This is the true potential of a force user who can draw from both sides. So a light saber wielding, fully capable force power controlling being, with slight precognitive sight, (yes the force can grant you this, play KOTOR 2) is going against someone 1 on 1.

We'll call this guy our Neutral Jedi, Lewis.

Here's what I think Lewis would lose vs.:

-Terminator 2 Antagonist. Only if he is melted down by the light saber COMPLETELY, as we saw that's the only way to end his existence.

-Optimus Prime or any one of the transformers (good and evil) and any other robot super warrior capable of causing explosions. A Jedi can use Master Speed to get away from explosions, but only so many, and only at a certain size.

-Goku, ya I'm bringing him up. He's got an insane amount of power and even some psychic capability. He's lifted pyramids with his mind before while training to go to Namek. So Goku is a very possible candidate, what with abilities to move at the speed of light, even Jedi haven't mastered that.

-Super Man, even Flash has a chance.

-Seriously you just need either INTENSE speed, or INTENSE power or INTENSE defensive capabilities. Superman can only be beat with Kryptonite after all.

Niccolo:
'Cept for Freeman?

That's only because those magical health stations can fix major fractures in a matter of moments. I seem to recall hearing "major fracture detected" from the H.E.V. suit and yet I was still able to walk around at high speeds, shoot all manner of weaponry, and was fixed suddenly by a box on the wall.
Although we don't actually ever get to see his face or body, so we don't really know if he's all crisp and clean at all times.

Jedi vs. Chuck Norris....Norris owns!

TheHound:

A 8th generation or older vampire from Vampire: The Masquerade would own as well, Tremere anyone, how you gonna swing a sword when your bloods boiling?

very very true. also, a lasombra would probably pwn a jedi. i mean, c'mon, the ability to manipulate and shadow tangible has some insane potential for anyone who is creative.

and while we're at it, Caine from Vampire: the masquerade is technically unbeatable.... so yeah.

Um, Satan, Satan could definitely beat a jedi.
Sexual Harrasment Panda could.
STDS and other types of diseases could.
Especially cancer.
I'm pretty sure a good sniper could do it.
A well thought out kobold keep?

(Also, incorporating anything from WoD, is sad. Really sad.)

EDIT: I'm also sure Zul could do it.

tiredinnuendo:

Knight Templar:
why not? i'm no monster. killing is a parth to the dark side. also lets say i'm a Arcon from starcraft.

To quote neverending story, "No! You don't understand anything!"

But yes, a Jedi is still totally beatable.

- J

but i'm a Arcon! also i am confused in 4,5 and 6 they kill like crazy. but in 1,2,3 killing is not as O.K.

if a jedi being played by sameul goddamn jackson can die, any jedi can die.

LordOmnit:
I seem to recall hearing "major fracture detected" from the H.E.V. suit and yet I was still able to walk around at high speeds, shoot all manner of weaponry, and was fixed suddenly by a box on the wall.

That's because it's Gordon Freeman damnit!

twincannon:
if a jedi being played by sameul goddamn jackson can die, any jedi can die.

I laughed hard at that.

Hello everybody! I've never posted on these grand ol' interforums before, but when seeing this thread on the front page, it was absolutely imperative for me to register. I saw a great intellectual discussion blooming, and I felt the intense need to put forth my own carefully researched view.

And so, the fruits of my labor; the results of hours upon hours of musings and studyings:

Yes.

LordOmnit:
Or just force stop the spray. I'm pretty sure that would be a lower level technique.
And don't forget that the point is a Jedi *Master* too.

How much momentum can one be expected to block using the force? Most shotgun gauges have a muzzle velocity between 1,100 and 1,350 feet per second (335-410 meters per second). A 12-gauge shell will generally throw over an ounce of lead in the air and most automatics hold five to eight of them, all off which can often be fired off by a skilled shooter in little more than a second. Anyone getting hit by all that metal at ranges below 5 rods or 25 meters ain't gonna be in much condition for swordplay.

Weaselfingers:
Hello everybody! I've never posted on these grand ol' interforums before, but when seeing this thread on the front page, it was absolutely imperative for me to register. I saw a great intellectual discussion blooming, and I felt the intense need to put forth my own carefully researched view.

And so, the fruits of my labor; the results of hours upon hours of musings and studyings:

Yes.

Well, with such a consise and well supported proposition as the one you've provided, certianly there is no need for further debate.

Ciarog:
Jedi loose in any universe where shotguns have been invented.

Hahaha! Love it.

Jedi are tough and they have few weaknesses, but as a Jedi once said: there's always a bigger fish. A balrog would eat most Jedi for breakfast. Magneto would be odds-on favourite, as would Flash, Green Lantern, Doctor Strange... err, Doctor Manhattan, if he could be bothered. :P

The Silver Surfer could beat a Jedi Master, let alone Galactus. Don't know about Unicron. :D

A Mechwarrior would have a chance.

MacGyver, anyone?

Jedi Vs Avian Flu or Sars

are jedis immune to such things

Jedi Vs ICBM

ThermoNuclear Fire!!!! Force power your way out of that one.....

Jedi Vs Avian Flu or Sars

are jedis immune to such things
If yoda cant beat old age a good old fasioned virus will sort him out, And Midiclorians arnt the cure all they're meant to be.

TheHound:
Jedi v. Aliens - Note the plural, as in a similar number to those found in Aliens 3. First time he sabers one hes going down in an acid spray.

There was only one Alien in Alien 3. Two if you count the one that didn't hatch until the last ten seconds of the movie.

- J

Knight Templar:
but i'm a Arcon! also i am confused in 4,5 and 6 they kill like crazy. but in 1,2,3 killing is not as O.K.

Since Jedi borrow heavily (read: blatantly stole from) the Bene Gesserit and Zen Buddhism, the answer here should be fairly obvious.

It's not about actions, it's about mastery of the self. If you can keep calm in the face of all things, than you're okay. Once your emotions take hold, you're in trouble. Killing is a very emotional thing, if you let it be (i.e. Luke could not kill his own father and be cool and detached about it). The Force (as I understand it) feeds on emotions. They can make it run stronger, but uncontrolled and wild, like fire. Control yourself or the force will control you, in other words.

It's never expressly stated, but I choose to believe that the reason the Emperor fried his own face in Ep 3 was that he was so angry the he could not stop the lightning from firing.

Then again, the early episodes were blatant fanservice, and I'm probably reading too much into it.

- J

Ciarog:
How much momentum can one be expected to block using the force? Most shotgun gauges have a muzzle velocity between 1,100 and 1,350 feet per second (335-410 meters per second). A 12-gauge shell will generally throw over an ounce of lead in the air and most automatics hold five to eight of them, all off which can often be fired off by a skilled shooter in little more than a second. Anyone getting hit by all that metal at ranges below 5 rods or 25 meters ain't gonna be in much condition for swordplay.

Okay, just to humor you, I did the math and...
There is a reason why they use very small objects at high speeds in guns. That is because of the effect described in Newton's Third Law of Motion. Once object A acts on object B, object B acts with the same magnitude with opposite direction on object A. So accelerating all those pellets with a combined mass of about .0378 kg to 410 m/s (at the max of the range you noted) in, say, a tenth of a second is about 154.98 N of force acting on the shell. Take that and divide it by a 150 pound man (using 68 kg for consistency of units) and you get 2.28 N of force acting on the person which will induce a speed of about .2279 m/s on that person.
Just think about that, if a fly splatter-died against the windshield of a bus having a mass of 1000 kg (just for shit's sake) and it weights less a few grams, then the equation F = ma would look like:
(MASSIVE NUMBER)a1 = (tiny number)a2
and would even out to a very tiny a1 and very large a2 so, essentially, the same force that will more than murder a fly will effect a miniscule acceleration on the bus' part.
The same is applied to the whole gun-thing in that we don't frequently fire things that will send us flying back at immense speeds, so we can't imagine that our foes would be flying back at immense speeds and our projectiles won't have too much force behind them save for their shape which- against some ethereal force- doesn't matter.

Fraser.J.A:

Ciarog:
Jedi loose in any universe where shotguns have been invented.

Hahaha! Love it.

Jedi are tough and they have few weaknesses, but as a Jedi once said: there's always a bigger fish. A balrog would eat most Jedi for breakfast. Magneto would be odds-on favourite, as would Flash, Green Lantern, Doctor Strange... err, Doctor Manhattan, if he could be bothered. :P

The Silver Surfer could beat a Jedi Master, let alone Galactus. Don't know about Unicron. :D

A Mechwarrior would have a chance.

MacGyver, anyone?

hehe, MacGiver would make his own lightsaber with a latern and a clips

This is all strangely appropriate considering that Yoda and Vadar are characters in the new Soul Calibur.

Unicron would trounce a Jedi, because he is Orson Welles. Filled with green pea-ness, if you will.

- J

One on one, yes the Jedi would most likely win. But, say the Jedi Master was fighting a Sith Master in a crowded area, I would put my money on the sith because he/she would probably distract the Jedi by attacking people near by, thus gaining the advantage. I also think the Jedi would lose if he/she was douped by someone pretending to be in trouble, or faking returning to the light.

Knight Templar:

tiredinnuendo:

Knight Templar:
why not? i'm no monster. killing is a parth to the dark side. also lets say i'm a Arcon from starcraft.

To quote neverending story, "No! You don't understand anything!"

But yes, a Jedi is still totally beatable.

- J

but i'm a Arcon! also i am confused in 4,5 and 6 they kill like crazy. but in 1,2,3 killing is not as O.K.

... I can't let this go any longer. You mean archon, right?
Furthermore, that doesn't mean you can't kill anything. In fact, I have no idea what you're talking about at this point, and agree with the quote above saying you don't understand anything.

Also: Lightsabers instantly cauterize. Gieger's aliens are NOT going to spray a Jedi with acid, because the wound is not going to bleed.

Furthermore, you realise how fast a jedi would have to force-push to stop a shotgun? Lasers in Star Wars move really, really, really slowly. I don't think it's a viable option.

Honestly, there are as many fictional things that can beat a Jedi as vice versa, so this is a rather boring conversation. Just take the Star Wars RPG (tabletop, sir) and compare things like "Obi-Wan is about level 15" to "Elminster is about level 50".

Slycne:
This is all strangely appropriate considering that Yoda and Vadar are characters in the new Soul Calibur.

Oh yeah, anyone that's good at Soul Calibur can probably beat a jedi.

Jedi/sith battles do not count. The OP stated that Jedi means light/dark force users.

For fairness, when matching the Jedi, use the version that appears in the respective media.

So if you are matching them up against soul calibur characters, use the character action game versions. (Jedi wins)

Against master chief and Freeman, use the FPS versions from Jedi fps games (outcast, academy)....Jedi wins

Against Justice league cartoon superheroes, xmen evolution, Goku and Naruto, use the animated versions from Clone wars. (Goku wins, Naruto Loses, JLU heroes mostly lose except those with extreme abilities- supes, wonderwoman)

Against opponents from movies (Neo, LOTR heroes/villains, Movie Transformers, movie superheroes), use the movie Jedi.The results vary and are the subject of interesting discussion!

Yeah, the jedi can be beaten, but the truth is they are incredibly powerful. In KOTOR they can achieve such power it is almost outrageous. Plus, lucasfilm makes it confusing by varying the jedi power levels from medium to medium.... We saw Mace windu completely slaughter General grievous in the anime without breaking a sweat, but in the Novel he had a hard time fighting him, due to the unavailability of an all-powerful force crush. Anime Mace also used the force to destroy an army of robots with his bare hands and wipe out a seismic tank several times the size of a transformer. Go figure.

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Good point. I had to think about that one for a second, but it's obvious really: different audiences. Movie audiences are more interested in seeing relatable characters and watching human drama, novel readers are more about living inside the mind of a remarkable character, anime viewers just want to see shit get blowed up. And boobies.

One hunting rifle, 700 yards. Jedi dead on the floor before you even hear the shot.

Fraser.J.A:
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Good point. I had to think about that one for a second, but it's obvious really: different audiences. Movie audiences are more interested in seeing relatable characters and watching human drama, novel readers are more about living inside the mind of a remarkable character, anime viewers just want to see shit get blowed up. And boobies.

True. It makes sense for the Jedi to be represented differently in different media. The movie Jedi would appear weak in an anime, hence the power upgrade, and the splitting of force powers int distinct 'special moves' eg force pull, force push,force speed etc works in the context of a video game.

chenry:
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One hunting rifle, 700 yards. Jedi dead on the floor before you even hear the shot.

Wrong. Even movie jedi would sense the Rifleman's evil intent, even if he were across the galaxy. Anime Jedi would force crush him from that distance, too.