couldnt if i wanted too *offers hand*

Put your handbag down. It's a debate, were not shouting down each-others arguments

I am sorry if you perceived my comment as an insult, it was not intended to.

But I do find it - well - *very* unlikely that ST was made for any sort of realism. To put it mildly.

Aight,I have to say Star Wars, obviously. Like, come on. Lightsabers, the power of crushing peoples throats and frying them with lightning sounds pretty cool. And even if there was none of that and the story sucked, the entire original trilogy would be awesome because of James Earl Jones. His voice alone could kick Kirk's ass!!!

Plus, there's actually a war going on in the series. They're not just exploring in tights.

I find it funny how many people here have never even seen any star trek and are still arguing in favor of star wars. In my opinion your opinion is not valid unless you have at least seen a majority of what each side has to offer. That said here are a few points.

If star wars can use the force as a "auto win" wild card then I sure don't see why star trek can't use the Q.

The most powerful thing star wars has is the ability to destroy a planet and even that can be taken out with a well placed missile. If you follow any star trek at all you would realize that there is far more powerful banned technology out there. How about punching holes in the space time continuum.

I agree that as far as hero wars go star wars wins, nothing star trek has can match a jedi master one on one.

I have yet to see a good argument as to how star wars can have any effect at all against the borg. Worst case scenario we just beam yoda onto a borg cube and detonate the ship (and yes it has been done, detonating a cube just to eradicate a few miscreants. There's billions more where that came from.)

And my final point. In the end it really does not matter in the slightest. Star trek was originally created with a premise around exploration, and star wars has a deep story. Star wars has a technology barrier that was created to give it more atmosphere, while absolutely everything has been done in star trek (how about a ship that erases you from existence. Yup we got that too.) The star trek universe was created simply to keep the series going, star wars expanded universe was created by fans because there unwilling to admit that star wars is not about the universe but the story. In both cases random technology is created on a whim in order to make more interesting plot developments. So it's absurd to face one against the other.

Besides how on earth do you intend to set these matches up anyways, I have just as much doubt you can get the emperor and yoda to ally together as I have getting the romulans and klingons to ally. It's probably a better argument to pair up the heroes on both sides against both sets of villains, but we already know who wins that one.

Dr who.

Which Star Trek are we talking about? If it is the entirety of the Star Trek universe then I believe that they would be the better of the two. Just my horribly biased opinion.

hey this is doc from the itunes podcast: Heroes of Science Fiction and Fantasy, i like both but let me say this---Captain Kirk would find a way to win, period. End of Discussion. www.heroesofsciencefictionandfantasy.com

H0ncho:

Put your handbag down. It's a debate, were not shouting down each-others arguments

I am sorry if you perceived my comment as an insult, it was not intended to.

But I do find it - well - *very* unlikely that ST was made for any sort of realism. To put it mildly.

Your right about Trek over all not being realistic. But I think it was conceived as a possible future, and many have tried to explain it's technology as such. Sorry I did get a little riled by your comment, I often jump to the conclusion someone is being an arse when they brush someone else's argument aside. I forgot the bigger picture of trek being very unrealistic.

I'm torn... I love both SW and ST, it's just like asking to choose between vanilla or chocolate ice cream, agh!

Star Trek, mainly because i despise Star Wars fanboys who continue to spout that complete and utter made up drivel they like to try and masquerade as canon (ie the technical manuals) whenever you try and get a proper ST vs SW debate going. Despite the fact that Lucas and LFL have repeatedly stated that its not canon, they still try to argue with the creator of the damn series over whats canon.

And thats pretty much it. If there were no fanboys, it'd be Star Wars, but too many debates have left me feeling very bitter towards it.

Eh. I started as a Star Trek fanboy, and only become more of a SW fanboy after playing KOTOR.

I understand why people like SW better, the Jedi are awesome, and god knows SW has a much better gaming track record than ST, which is going to tilt any discussion of their merits in a gaming magazine forum.

SW has "cooler" stuff, like I said, but Star Trek just has overall better stories, is better written, etc. The point I'm trying to get at here is that they do different things, so comparing them is hard.

NickCaligo42:
This raises possibly the nerdiest question ever asked.

Do lightsabers deflect phasors? o_O

Yep. You're right. Nerdiest question ever.

But you make an excellent point...

Trek Wars Episode 3MTA3: The Calm Before the Storm

The Setting:The dimly lit bridge of the Executor.Darth Vader,Han Solo,a few Storm Troopers and various other folks are standing around.Yoda is just pulling up on his Big Wheel,and Jar-Jar seems to be choking on something.R2-D2 is in the Captain's quarters enjoying a liitle downtime with his girlfriend IB6-UB9.

Darth Vader:"There's one in every crowd"
Jar-Jar Binks falls to the deck.A couple of troopers collect him for transport to the garbage compacter.C-3P0 says "Oh Dear" and DV looks at him and breathes.C-3PO looks around for something to do.

Han Solo steps up with a plan.Darth Vader listens.Darth Vader just stands there...smiling.

Next time:Poor Data,We hardly knew Ye.

I'm sorry if this has already been posted, but after 8 + hours I just don't have the eyes to go trough the whole thread. Anyway the following is just for laughs:

TOP TEN REASONS WHY STAR WARS IS BETTER THAN STAR TREK

10. In the Star Wars Universe weapons are rarely, if ever, set on "stun".
9. The Enterprise needs a huge engine room with an anti-matter unit and a crew of 20 just to go into warp - The Millennium Falcon does the samething with R2-D2 and a Wookiee.
8. After resisting the Imperial torture droid and Darth Vader, Princess Leia still looked fresh and desirable - After pithy Cardassian starvation torture, Picard looked like hell.
7. One word: Lightsabers.
6. Darth Vader could choke the entire Borg empire with one glance.
5. The Death Star doesn't care if a world is class "M" or not.
4. Luke Skywalker is not obsessed with sleeping with every alien he encounters.
3. Jabba the Hutt would eat Harry Mudd for trying to cut in on his action.
2. The Federation would have to attempt to liberate any ship named "Slave I".
1. Picard pilots the Enterprise through asteroid belts at one-quarter impulse power - Han Solo floors it.

Here's the site if you want to have some laughs at Star Wars http://www.dockingbay101.com/lists/

Just in case this turns into a Star Wars or Titanic forum :D

Top twenty reasons why Star Wars is better than Titanic:

20. Titanic's big, but it doesn't have hyperdrive.
19. Star Wars has WAY cooler action figure potential.
18. Yoda could use the Force to lift Titanic out of the water.
17. Leia is a princess, a senator, a freedom fighter, and Jedi material; Rose is just marriage bait.
16. Ewoks throw better parties than either first class or steerage.
15. When flying towards the Titanic, Wedge can't say "Look at the size of that thing!" and really mean it.
14. It would be much scarier to get chased around the boat by a raving madman with a lightsaber as opposed to a handgun.
13. Titanic is egalitarian by portraying poor people as sympathetic characters. Star Wars is egalitarian bypromoting bug-eyed amphibians to Admiral.
12. Said bug-eyed amphibious Admiral manages NOT to lose his ship.
11. We know Cal is the bad guy because he sneers at the poor and treats his fiancee like property. We know Darth Vader is the bad guy because he strangles people and blows up planets for fun.
10. Yeah, Leo can dance, but can he fly an X-wing?
9. Rose braves icy water to rescue her man. Leia braves Jabba the Hutt.
8. Two words: John Williams.
7. There are always enough escape pods in Star Wars.
6. Do you know what the Empire does to self-proclaimed "kings of the world"?
5. If Luke were handcuffed to a pipe below decks in a sinking ship, he would use the Force to get the key.
4. "I'd rather be his whore than your wife" just doesn't have the same sting as "I'd rather kiss a Wookiee."
3. Han is frozen in carbonite and turned into a wall ornament. Leo simply freezes.
2. We knew the boat was gonna sink. But who could've anticipated "Luke... I am your father"?
1. Han Solo would've missed the dang iceberg!

I've ranted too much about this subject, so ill keep it to a simple "I like Star Wars" But if you start a "Jar-Jar and the rest of that prequel crap" thread, then my ranting is only just beginning my friend...

Trek, I guess. I saw Enterprise when I was, like, 10, and I liked it. Still do.

I was never a huge Star Wars fan. I saw Episode I: Phantom Menace when I was 9, and I thought it was "Bleh...".

Galaxy Gun+Centerpoint Station+Super Star Destroyers+Death Star+...

5 hours later.

...+Lightsabers=win for Star Wars.

I know its fairly Irrelevant (no pun intended) to post here as i would be eaten alive by fanboys. But I feel I must throw in my two cents anyway. Let me first say I like each equally as each has enthralled me the same. Star wars uses lasers. In an episode of then next generation The Enterprise scoffs at a ship that arms a full compliment of lasers. it is explained that in the STU lasers are fairly primitive and have been replaced by phasers. This would mean that on a whole the star trek universe has much more advanced tech. Some may say that the borg would be a strength to the star trek universe, howeve because they are all one mind any reasonably powerful jedi could take over an entire cube easily. after that the star wars universe could adapt that tech to there own, or be consumed by it if they are not careful. Also considering the fragilness of warp cores a force adept spy on any star trek vessel could influence a random person to fire a phaser at it and destroy it. The Q would most likely only observe and let things play out.the main Q may want to provoke a few admirals of the emipire though. What would be interesting is if the tardis arrived on the enterprise, merging the doctor who universe into said conflict as well.

Darth Mobius:
Glad that someone noticed the CANON OUTPUT for each weapons discharge. The Star Wars lasers are what, over 100 Million times more powerful than phasers? So yeah, it would be a heavy route, based on the CANON outputs (Canon is based on what Gene Rodenberry or George Lucas declare is the official output, so you can't start making up numbers... Besides, give me a cutting laser and a fast enough ship, I will just shoot the Enterprise with said cutting laser until it's shields go down, while running JUST out of range of their phasers.)

Oh yeah, and notice the range between the ships fighting... For Star Wars lasers to be effective at 20,000 Kilometers, they would have to be a hell of a lot more powerful than phasers which only reach 10 kilometers...

Here is a comprehensive breakdown: http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html

I hate to have to quote myself, but seriously...

Star Trek is about as entertaining as a very dryly written computer maintenance manual.

Star Wars is like an awesome graphic novel written by God, drawn by Leonardo Da Vinci, inked by Picasso, colored by Rembrandt, and lettered by Oscar Wilde.

Jedi and Sith are way cooler than anything basically ever created ever. That includes sex.

I love my sci fi, I like star wars and a fair amount of Star trek. My vote though has to go with Star wars, a far more interesting and diverse universe. Star Trek was always very lacking to me and way too um..."peaceful" and unrealistic (yea star wars isn't any better in the realism dept. but you know what I mean...i think). I wont bother giving a long winded argument on either, just rather generalize my opinion as much I can.

Stargate beats both...
Seriously, instant travel to other planets?
Even for ships (supergate)
Why is every one here only doing one group vs. another when its suppost to be whole universes?

Tau'ri, Jaffa, Goa'uld, Tok'ra, Wraith, Kull Wariors, the Ori army, the Ori themselves, Ancients and Lanteans (yes they are different) would beat any-one without much trouble.

Besides any universe can be beaten by a single word...

Replicators.

TheGhostOfSin:
Stargate beats both...
Seriously, instant travel to other planets?
Even for ships (supergate)
Why is every one here only doing one group vs. another when its suppost to be whole universes?

Tau'ri, Jaffa, Goa'uld, Tok'ra, Wraith, Kull Wariors, the Ori army, the Ori themselves, Ancients and Lanteans (yes they are different) would beat any-one without much trouble.

Besides any universe can be beaten by a single word...

Replicators.

See I would have mentioned that but I didn't wanna stray off topic. Although yes...shows like Stargate, BSG, and Farscape completely own ST and SW hands down. Those damn replicators could destroy the borg and jedi with no trouble, nasty little technobugs they were.

Join in with the chant people..

Add to the poll!
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I'm not much of a Star Trek geek, so consider my opinion biased if you so wish. I think that post Imperial Star Wars could be beaten by almost anything. The Empire, on the other hand, was always too busy fighting the Rebellion to seriously consider fighting another enemy, and everyone who has studied the World Wars (or at least knows who won) should be a aware of what happens when somebody decides a war on two fronts is a good idea. The old Republic would have had this problem as well (the Mandalorian war, the Jedi Civil war, the Sith War, to name but a few of the constant conflict they were getting into) However, if the entire universe/galaxy/whatever decided that it would be a good idea to team up, their combined technology, numbers and power could beat almost anything that stood in their way. Also, to those who claim that Jedi are useless in space combat, you forget about Jedi Battle Meditation.

yea...and where the hell is Babylon 5 for that matter!?

Stargate has some of the corniest effects and makeup I have ever seen, and the whole idea is definetly not as captivating to the imagination as Star Wars is.

I don't care what weird technobug could kill a Jedi, on a character or individual basis, no character from either Star Trek or Stargate could handle a Force user, let alone a master.

jabrwock:

If we assume that SW's "lasers" are equivalent to ST's "phasers" (since both are described as not being lasers, but rather highly compressed, focused high-energy particle beams...)

How are they? One's literally called "laser" and the other is what would be a good idea to get around the inherent limitation of laser technology in an atmosphere (but is stupid in space)?

Ares Tyr:
Stargate has some of the corniest effects and makeup I have ever seen, and the whole idea is definetly not as captivating to the imagination as Star Wars is.

I don't care what weird technobug could kill a Jedi, on a character or individual basis, no character from either Star Trek or Stargate could handle a Force user, let alone a master.

one word, Ascended

-Seraph-:

Ares Tyr:
Stargate has some of the corniest effects and makeup I have ever seen, and the whole idea is definetly not as captivating to the imagination as Star Wars is.

I don't care what weird technobug could kill a Jedi, on a character or individual basis, no character from either Star Trek or Stargate could handle a Force user, let alone a master.

one word, Ascended

I don't know who or what the fuck that is but unless it can take a giant star cruiser out of the sky just by force of will, then it loses.

I admit that I do not know much about ST, so if they have any of these things to counter this please tell me however my SW knowledge is rather vast, so I will just try to list what assests Star Wars has:

1. Superweapons out the ass: every single book involves a much more powerful superweapon than the last, the most powerful is the Sun Crusher, a small ship the size of a fighter, with invicible quantum plated armor, and torpedoes that can destroy STARS in one shot and if those dont work, (which they probably wont on a ship the size of the enterprise, it can just ram through it and tear it in half, it did that too a star destroyer

2. The Force: a mystical energy field that binds together all living things, and it comes in two flavors!

1: the light side: battle medidation, it can really turn the tide of the battle, force heal, jedi mind trick, and energy absroption.

2: the Dark side aka The awesome side, sith can kill people just by looking at them, not to mention force lightning, and evil mind trick, where a sith could just make the captain drive straight through a black hole

3. LIGHTSABRES!!! Yes, lightsabers can deflect phasers, becuse the only two things they cannote defend against are cortosis and other lightsaber blades

4. Empire: since the empire was militarrily the strongest, most of the alliance and NR fleet is just "reaquired" from the empire the vast numerical might of the mepire coupled with huge star destroyers, all classes could own with thousands and thousands of ships and billions of soldiers, their war machine was nearly inexhaustable NR fought them for 20 years, and they are still going in the Legacy comics

again, Trek fans feel free to counter if you want to go through this massive wall of text

yes...yes they can, especially the Ori (evil counterparts). Even Anubis would if he wasn't stuck half way.