couldnt if i wanted too *offers hand*

Put your handbag down. It's a debate, were not shouting down each-others arguments

I am sorry if you perceived my comment as an insult, it was not intended to.

But I do find it - well - *very* unlikely that ST was made for any sort of realism. To put it mildly.

Aight,I have to say Star Wars, obviously. Like, come on. Lightsabers, the power of crushing peoples throats and frying them with lightning sounds pretty cool. And even if there was none of that and the story sucked, the entire original trilogy would be awesome because of James Earl Jones. His voice alone could kick Kirk's ass!!!

Plus, there's actually a war going on in the series. They're not just exploring in tights.

I find it funny how many people here have never even seen any star trek and are still arguing in favor of star wars. In my opinion your opinion is not valid unless you have at least seen a majority of what each side has to offer. That said here are a few points.

If star wars can use the force as a "auto win" wild card then I sure don't see why star trek can't use the Q.

The most powerful thing star wars has is the ability to destroy a planet and even that can be taken out with a well placed missile. If you follow any star trek at all you would realize that there is far more powerful banned technology out there. How about punching holes in the space time continuum.

I agree that as far as hero wars go star wars wins, nothing star trek has can match a jedi master one on one.

I have yet to see a good argument as to how star wars can have any effect at all against the borg. Worst case scenario we just beam yoda onto a borg cube and detonate the ship (and yes it has been done, detonating a cube just to eradicate a few miscreants. There's billions more where that came from.)

And my final point. In the end it really does not matter in the slightest. Star trek was originally created with a premise around exploration, and star wars has a deep story. Star wars has a technology barrier that was created to give it more atmosphere, while absolutely everything has been done in star trek (how about a ship that erases you from existence. Yup we got that too.) The star trek universe was created simply to keep the series going, star wars expanded universe was created by fans because there unwilling to admit that star wars is not about the universe but the story. In both cases random technology is created on a whim in order to make more interesting plot developments. So it's absurd to face one against the other.

Besides how on earth do you intend to set these matches up anyways, I have just as much doubt you can get the emperor and yoda to ally together as I have getting the romulans and klingons to ally. It's probably a better argument to pair up the heroes on both sides against both sets of villains, but we already know who wins that one.

Dr who.

Which Star Trek are we talking about? If it is the entirety of the Star Trek universe then I believe that they would be the better of the two. Just my horribly biased opinion.

hey this is doc from the itunes podcast: Heroes of Science Fiction and Fantasy, i like both but let me say this---Captain Kirk would find a way to win, period. End of Discussion. www.heroesofsciencefictionandfantasy.com

H0ncho:

Put your handbag down. It's a debate, were not shouting down each-others arguments

I am sorry if you perceived my comment as an insult, it was not intended to.

But I do find it - well - *very* unlikely that ST was made for any sort of realism. To put it mildly.

Your right about Trek over all not being realistic. But I think it was conceived as a possible future, and many have tried to explain it's technology as such. Sorry I did get a little riled by your comment, I often jump to the conclusion someone is being an arse when they brush someone else's argument aside. I forgot the bigger picture of trek being very unrealistic.

I'm torn... I love both SW and ST, it's just like asking to choose between vanilla or chocolate ice cream, agh!

Star Trek, mainly because i despise Star Wars fanboys who continue to spout that complete and utter made up drivel they like to try and masquerade as canon (ie the technical manuals) whenever you try and get a proper ST vs SW debate going. Despite the fact that Lucas and LFL have repeatedly stated that its not canon, they still try to argue with the creator of the damn series over whats canon.

And thats pretty much it. If there were no fanboys, it'd be Star Wars, but too many debates have left me feeling very bitter towards it.

Eh. I started as a Star Trek fanboy, and only become more of a SW fanboy after playing KOTOR.

I understand why people like SW better, the Jedi are awesome, and god knows SW has a much better gaming track record than ST, which is going to tilt any discussion of their merits in a gaming magazine forum.

SW has "cooler" stuff, like I said, but Star Trek just has overall better stories, is better written, etc. The point I'm trying to get at here is that they do different things, so comparing them is hard.

NickCaligo42:
This raises possibly the nerdiest question ever asked.

Do lightsabers deflect phasors? o_O

Yep. You're right. Nerdiest question ever.

But you make an excellent point...

Trek Wars Episode 3MTA3: The Calm Before the Storm

The Setting:The dimly lit bridge of the Executor.Darth Vader,Han Solo,a few Storm Troopers and various other folks are standing around.Yoda is just pulling up on his Big Wheel,and Jar-Jar seems to be choking on something.R2-D2 is in the Captain's quarters enjoying a liitle downtime with his girlfriend IB6-UB9.

Darth Vader:"There's one in every crowd"
Jar-Jar Binks falls to the deck.A couple of troopers collect him for transport to the garbage compacter.C-3P0 says "Oh Dear" and DV looks at him and breathes.C-3PO looks around for something to do.

Han Solo steps up with a plan.Darth Vader listens.Darth Vader just stands there...smiling.

Next time:Poor Data,We hardly knew Ye.

I'm sorry if this has already been posted, but after 8 + hours I just don't have the eyes to go trough the whole thread. Anyway the following is just for laughs:

TOP TEN REASONS WHY STAR WARS IS BETTER THAN STAR TREK

10. In the Star Wars Universe weapons are rarely, if ever, set on "stun".
9. The Enterprise needs a huge engine room with an anti-matter unit and a crew of 20 just to go into warp - The Millennium Falcon does the samething with R2-D2 and a Wookiee.
8. After resisting the Imperial torture droid and Darth Vader, Princess Leia still looked fresh and desirable - After pithy Cardassian starvation torture, Picard looked like hell.
7. One word: Lightsabers.
6. Darth Vader could choke the entire Borg empire with one glance.
5. The Death Star doesn't care if a world is class "M" or not.
4. Luke Skywalker is not obsessed with sleeping with every alien he encounters.
3. Jabba the Hutt would eat Harry Mudd for trying to cut in on his action.
2. The Federation would have to attempt to liberate any ship named "Slave I".
1. Picard pilots the Enterprise through asteroid belts at one-quarter impulse power - Han Solo floors it.

Here's the site if you want to have some laughs at Star Wars http://www.dockingbay101.com/lists/

Just in case this turns into a Star Wars or Titanic forum :D

Top twenty reasons why Star Wars is better than Titanic:

20. Titanic's big, but it doesn't have hyperdrive.
19. Star Wars has WAY cooler action figure potential.
18. Yoda could use the Force to lift Titanic out of the water.
17. Leia is a princess, a senator, a freedom fighter, and Jedi material; Rose is just marriage bait.
16. Ewoks throw better parties than either first class or steerage.
15. When flying towards the Titanic, Wedge can't say "Look at the size of that thing!" and really mean it.
14. It would be much scarier to get chased around the boat by a raving madman with a lightsaber as opposed to a handgun.
13. Titanic is egalitarian by portraying poor people as sympathetic characters. Star Wars is egalitarian bypromoting bug-eyed amphibians to Admiral.
12. Said bug-eyed amphibious Admiral manages NOT to lose his ship.
11. We know Cal is the bad guy because he sneers at the poor and treats his fiancee like property. We know Darth Vader is the bad guy because he strangles people and blows up planets for fun.
10. Yeah, Leo can dance, but can he fly an X-wing?
9. Rose braves icy water to rescue her man. Leia braves Jabba the Hutt.
8. Two words: John Williams.
7. There are always enough escape pods in Star Wars.
6. Do you know what the Empire does to self-proclaimed "kings of the world"?
5. If Luke were handcuffed to a pipe below decks in a sinking ship, he would use the Force to get the key.
4. "I'd rather be his whore than your wife" just doesn't have the same sting as "I'd rather kiss a Wookiee."
3. Han is frozen in carbonite and turned into a wall ornament. Leo simply freezes.
2. We knew the boat was gonna sink. But who could've anticipated "Luke... I am your father"?
1. Han Solo would've missed the dang iceberg!

I've ranted too much about this subject, so ill keep it to a simple "I like Star Wars" But if you start a "Jar-Jar and the rest of that prequel crap" thread, then my ranting is only just beginning my friend...

Trek, I guess. I saw Enterprise when I was, like, 10, and I liked it. Still do.

I was never a huge Star Wars fan. I saw Episode I: Phantom Menace when I was 9, and I thought it was "Bleh...".

Galaxy Gun+Centerpoint Station+Super Star Destroyers+Death Star+...

5 hours later.

...+Lightsabers=win for Star Wars.