Almightyjoe:

Seldon2639:

Also, how do you know your standards are right, and everyone else is wrong? That seems like and oddly religious thing to say.

how do you know your beliefs are right, and not religions?

"if you ask enough questions, keep asking at the answers themselves, even science will eventually need to admit that things are the way they are 'because', and there sits god, we looked for him in high places, when he hid in the seams of the world"

And as for hedonism... your trying to apply reason to hedonism... when the whole point of hedonism is to do what you will against reason, thats like calling a 'knock-on' against a poker player.

EDIT: as this has spilled over to a new page, i would recommend reading the posts before this before replying to mine, if that is your intention.

I agree, and one of the core elements of any good philosophy is going to be the constant re-examination of whether it works. But, any good life-philosophy will be based on some level on reason. It's impossible to get around reason in terms of philosophy. Otherwise, philosophy is just emotional response to stimuli, which wouldn't be philisophical at all, you know?

I had to look up a knock-on, and your analogy makes sense, now that I know it's a penalty in Rugby. But, if Hedonism is doing what you want against reason (which, incidentally is not the original meaning of Hedonism), the defense of it is an attempt to create a reasonable defense of the unreasonable. Fondant's point was that "the world can't be changed, so get the best of it you can while you're alive". Which is a fine point to make, but is based on a couple of assumptions I don't grant. The first is that the world can't be changed, the second is that there is a primacy of an individual's pleasure over the well-being of others.

My philosophy, while based a lot on doing well by others, is also based largely on reexamination of my own beliefs.

I would only argue the Spock-based philosophy: the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

P.S I accidentally reported AllmightyJoe for moderation. It was a slip of the mouse, nothing more

Hope you didn't get banned over a slip of the mouse.

Almightyjoe:

Seldon2639:

P.S I accidentally reported AllmightyJoe for moderation. It was a slip of the mouse, nothing more

my sarcasm senses tingle... but ill rule in the benefit of the doubt (another sports rule joke)

in any case, i was pointing out the same problem your above post falls into, i am not hedonistic, but if i was, i'm pretty sure someone telling me to stop would not be a deterrent.

Seriously, it was a stupid mistake on my part. The report button is situated right above the top of the text box, so when I tried to click on the text box, it went to the report button. If there's any way I can make that clear to the people in charge, I'll do so.

Back to the issue at hand:

Telling you to stop may not be a deterrent, and I'm not really trying to stop you. If you want to be hedonistic, that's fine, but don't try to wrap it in the flag like this is some grand philisophical treatise. And keep in mind that the original Hedonism would never allow personal pleasure to cause harm to another, that's closer to Sybaritism

Easykill:
Hope you didn't get banned over a slip of the mouse.

I'd feel really bad

Existance is a endless cycle.

Seldon2639:

Cozmo1:
10 out of 10 people die, Don't take life too seriously.

This is going to sound like an odd question, but why? If everyone dies, isn't that a reason to take life seriously while we're here, make our impact on the world rather than fading away in a blaze of hedonism?

As in don't get too attached to it.

"The bad news is we live in a meaningless and pointless existance, the good news is if we're living in a pointless existance we can't be do anything wrong if we've nothing to aim for in the first place, now I'm off to teach that bitch a lesson for telling me everything I'm doing is wrong just to put me down"

-Everything I do is justified by me wanting to do it...

The bad news is we live in a meaningless and pointless existance, the good news is I brought pie! :D

I just go around doing whatever the hell I want!, It just so happens that what I want is to make the people I like happy

Hold hands. Be nice to people you like; be polite to those you don't. Work hard and long - women appreciate everything hard and long. Do more than expected. Never say "That's not my job." Learn something new every day (yeah, that one slips most days.) Hard work and good behavior are always rewarded, if not in this world then in the next. Work as though you'll live to be 100; play as though you'll die tomorrow. Ethics aren't conditional or situation-dependant, those are excuses. And like Seldon's, don't take life too seriously, it's not permanent.

Kinda big nutshell...

werepossum:
Hold hands. Be nice to people you like; be polite to those you don't. Work hard and long - women appreciate everything hard and long. Do more than expected. Never say "That's not my job." Learn something new every day (yeah, that one slips most days.) Hard work and good behavior are always rewarded, if not in this world then in the next. Work as though you'll live to be 100; play as though you'll die tomorrow. Ethics aren't conditional or situation-dependant, those are excuses. And like Seldon's, don't take life too seriously, it's not permanent.

Kinda big nutshell...

We are very different.

I am better than you.