Well, then you've got to nuke them too. Pre-empt the people who don't like pre-emps.

I don't see any threat from Iran or North Korea. The Iranians are under too much scrutiny and pressure to do anything and the North Koreans have yet to make a bomb stronger than a truck filled with conventional explosives. When combined with the fact that they're both looked at with suspicion by the rest of the world and they're pretty much paralyzed.

I know that there are rules of engagement for certain militaries, and a few unwritten, unspoken rules like don't kill innocents, civilians (Hitler broke those to the max), or people surrendering.

but other than that, its all fair game

Would the use of overwhelming force be acceptable in every case then? Could I nuke Mexico just because they are a threat to my country? What about France? Hell, Nobody I know would miss France...

Darth Mobius:
True enough my friend. Do you think that if I hit Iran and North Korea with enough Nukes people won't think I am an asshole for my pre-emptive strike?

no, because thats not hard enough, if you want to get away with it, nuke everyone with the ability to persecute you

when i say hit hard enough, i mean hard

Rules of engagement are a way of keeping score

"i see your genocide and raise you a torture violation"

Would the use of overwhelming force be acceptable in every case then? Could I nuke Mexico just because they are a threat to my country? What about France? Hell, Nobody I know would miss France...

once again, your thinking too small, overwhelming force always works, because it is 'overwhelming force'

I see your torture violation and raise you a mis-targeted strategic Hydrogen bomb and an accidental discharge into an orphanage...

Ultrajoe:

once again, your thinking too small, overwhelming force always works, because it is 'overwhelming force'

So.... Massive build-up of troops at the mexican border before I launch a tactical nuclear strike at Mexico City.... Followed by a landing of about 50 troops on some French beaches... A threatening phone call to Russia, a promise of a payoff to the UK and another series of Nuclear strikes across the middle east... Followed up by "Internment Camps" for any of the people who are of the same nationality as the countries I destroyed? And a promise of giving what remains of China to Russia after I nuke the Chinese, too? Is that good enough?

Just build a death star obviously.

Darth Mobius:

Ultrajoe:

once again, your thinking too small, overwhelming force always works, because it is 'overwhelming force'

So.... Massive build-up of troops at the mexican border before I launch a tactical nuclear strike at Mexico City.... Followed by a landing of about 50 troops on some French beaches... A threatening phone call to Russia, a promise of a payoff to the UK and another series of Nuclear strikes across the middle east... Followed up by "Internment Camps" for any of the people who are of the same nationality as the countries I destroyed? And a promise of giving what remains of China to Russia after I nuke the Chinese, too? Is that good enough?

Exactly, Im not saying i advocate the act, only that with enough force, you become the only people left to punish you. And your not likely to embrace the privilege.

50 troops? the french are not completely harmless.

No, but if I invade with a full battalion they will likely start a resistance, which, while not effective, will cause problems for my troops. If it is only fifty they will still surrender in five minutes, but they will think it is only temporary and won't organize...

As for the priviledge of punishing myself... That is what Girlfriends are for...

Easykill:
Just build a death star obviously.

Until somebody comes along with a bigger death star. Best to just destroy the entire universe. Or better yet, make it so the universe never existed to begin with. That'll keep us safe.

Bravo Razzle. I feel we are finally getting somewhere.

To Ultrajoe- there is no such thing as 'overwhelming force' on a prepared enemy. Look at some world war examples- the Somme, Caen, Stalingrad, Verdun, the list goes on....

So you better be sure that your goinf to win, because if you don't win within the next month, your in for a long, bitter war my friend.

How do people not get the idea of overwhelming force?

I am not saying we can perform an act of 'overwhelming force' today, i am saying that if you can muster and inflict this kind of force then the enemy cannot recover or counterattack.

And you are right, you had better be sure you can win within the next month.

Thats the whole point of 'overwhelming force', anything less is insufficient.

As for the 'bigger death star' concept, a romantic view of wartime practice ill grant you, poetic in its irony. But sooner or later the faction with the greater resources will build a weapon that the enemy cannot better. Admittedly i am by no means advocating any violent practices...

but the universe is not 'fair', a place where karma and time will make any force fall with enough rousing speeches and burning faith. It is possible to be so superior you can bludgeon down any opposition that rears its head.

Overwhelming force is so terrible and brutal i doubt in its true form it has ever been seen on the earth, and really, i hope it never is.

Ultrajoe:

Overwhelming force is so terrible and brutal i doubt in its true form it has ever been seen on the earth, and really, i hope it never is.

You clearly have never seen a Flame War in a single console dedicated website.

This seems to be centered around war at the moment but seeing as how Off Topic is a little love crazy I might just ask "What is fair in love"?

Fire Daemon:

Ultrajoe:

Overwhelming force is so terrible and brutal i doubt in its true form it has ever been seen on the earth, and really, i hope it never is.

You clearly have never seen a Flame War in a single console dedicated website.

This seems to be centered around war at the moment but seeing as how Off Topic is a little love crazy I might just ask "What is fair in love"?

in the terms of romance, i say anything legal. I (i think i said this earlier in the thread) put some sick-shit porn into someone's locker to turn a chick off him, it was competition. And although neither of us got the girl, He did get a lovely reputation.

Its natural selection and i think provided they don't end up bleeding then its all fair game.

Fondant:
Bravo Razzle. I feel we are finally getting somewhere.

To Ultrajoe- there is no such thing as 'overwhelming force' on a prepared enemy. Look at some world war examples- the Somme, Caen, Stalingrad, Verdun, the list goes on....

So you better be sure that your goinf to win, because if you don't win within the next month, your in for a long, bitter war my friend.

Bad news... there is no way to prepare for a Nuclear Strike. Even if your early warning satellite catches the launch, the best you can hope for is to ride it out and hope enough missiles survive to hit back... Unless someone plants a nuke in the back of buick and parks it on Capital Hill....

Darth Mobius:
No, but if I invade with a full battalion they will likely start a resistance, which, while not effective, will cause problems for my troops. If it is only fifty they will still surrender in five minutes, but they will think it is only temporary and won't organize...

As for the priviledge of punishing myself... That is what Girlfriends are for...

*makes a mental note of that* That's not really punishment though Mobius. You'd enjoy the attention to much O.o

Darth Mobius:

Fondant:
Bravo Razzle. I feel we are finally getting somewhere.

To Ultrajoe- there is no such thing as 'overwhelming force' on a prepared enemy. Look at some world war examples- the Somme, Caen, Stalingrad, Verdun, the list goes on....

So you better be sure that your goinf to win, because if you don't win within the next month, your in for a long, bitter war my friend.

Bad news... there is no way to prepare for a Nuclear Strike. Even if your early warning satellite catches the launch, the best you can hope for is to ride it out and hope enough missiles survive to hit back... Unless someone plants a nuke in the back of buick and parks it on Capital Hill....

Firstly- Thanks for the advice (Buick, Tac nuke, Capitol Hill)

But that is my point. If the Russians and the Chinses and the Yanks all went nuclear, enough missiles would survive to olbiterate the enemy, becasue the cold war arms race WAS the preparation for this event.