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Paperboy Posts: 19 Joined: 30 Mar 2007 |
It isn't weird. Society just paints men as the "provider". The one who should be the caretaker, the older, "wiser", more "experienced" one. Kind of a macho thing. And society values youth in women (just open any magazine) as well as a certain degree of supposed innocence. A relationship where the woman is older just bucks the trend, and since it's less common, some people think it's odd. It's perfectly workable though. (I'm older than my boyfriend.) |
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Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 957 Joined: 8 May 2008 | well I don't think its weird, just that other people do. but society has too many expectations; especially for women |
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PROBATION Posts: 2449 Joined: 26 Feb 2008 |
As a man who has been there... Move on. If she really does "care for the guy" you won't make her see what a scumbag he is. And, as with Jallil and I, if she really does care for you, she will realize how stupid she has been and come back to you. But wasting your time wishing she were with you is only going to make it worse. She will see that you aren't getting over it, and be driven away by it (My best friends ex-fiance did this to her, and now he blames her that he is a drug-addicted loser who can't let go of the past he already lost.) Get a new girl, make new friends, and let her go. If she comes back, make sure you make it known that you were out living your life while she was screwing up with the other guy, and know what you expect from her. To be honest, if she flakes as often as it sounded from your post, she isn't worth it. Moving on will also put your feelings for her into context (as dating another girl did for me after my ex-wife left me) and you may just realize that you miss having someone to be with, but not her per se... User was put on probation for: HowTo: Talk to Girls. (3 days) |
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Anonymous Source Posts: 6 Joined: 15 May 2008 | That makes a lot of sense..... Thanks. |
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PROBATION Posts: 2449 Joined: 26 Feb 2008 | Hey, any time I can prevent someone from having to go through what I have been through I am more than happy to help. User was put on probation for: HowTo: Talk to Girls. (3 days) |
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Paperboy Posts: 18 Joined: 16 May 2008 | I could only half read that because it made my eyes hurt. The first guy vs second guy scenario, anyway. Now, I'd like to bring in a girl's perspective (my unique one, anyway). Why is the second guy a scumbag? Has HE dumped her on her birthday and broken up with her repeatedly or not committed to her? I mean, with you posting this, it's like you're assuming that we'll think you're the good guy in all of this, but I'm not falling for that trap and sympathizing. It sounds like *you* messed up and like *you* lost your chance. If she's willing to dump you for messing with her life, I'm willing to bet if this other guy is a jerk too, she'll do the same thing to him. So, I'd agree with Darth and say move on and try not to repeat the same mistakes. In a few years, who knows? I wouldn't cut this girl out of your life completely. If you like her as much as you claim you do (though you haven't shown her that, it seems) then I'd say she's worth being friends with. Is that hard? Hell yes. Is it worth it in the end? Usually. |
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Anonymous Source Posts: 6 Joined: 15 May 2008 | It's a little more complicated then that. The second guy is a scumbag because he doesn't care about the girl and will probably end up getting her pregnant or something, and is only interested in getting it on, and I'll admit, the first guy was a stupid jerk, but at least he cared enough about her to apologize, and in a way, by giving up on the relationship over and over again because she was lazy about it and thought that he'd understand every time she broke it off, she kinda drove him to blow up in her face because he had been secretly keeping all of his emotions about it to himself and not sharing them with other people. By the way, the first guy only has SLIGHT leftover feelings for the girl, but at the moment he doesn't care because he feels betrayed and has low self-esteem because the girl was willing the break off their relationship and throw everything the first guy gave her(emotionally) at the first sign of complication, but is willing to to anything to make the relationship with the second guy work because he's the conniving artsy troubled type who pretends to care, but really doesn't. Also, read the second half. I'm just saying. |
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Press Junketeer Posts: 371 Joined: 8 May 2008 |
ace jackson, are you and me twins in a paralell universe? i only ask because i am going through the exact same thing. not more than a week after and now shes going out with someone else, but that doesnt bother me cause i know she still cares for me. she will come back but im not gunna be waiting for her when she does, ill have moved on, but there will always be a space for her by my side if and when she decides to come back. she wont forget the fun and the times we spent together so soon i guaranteee that and when she realises what she had with me then she will come back. it doesnt help though that shes going out with one of my "friends", but with "friends like that, who needs enemies, needless to say he's been cut from my life. ive discovered who my real friends were, the ones who always had my back, the ones who were always there even when i wasnt with them cause i was mostly with my ex, those are the friends i cudnt be happier to have on my side in this time. do the same, go out, have a good time, spend time with ppl you havent spent time with in a long time, just ignore your ex and her scumbag of a "boyfriend" for now, it wont last between them. ive learnt from my mistakes from our relationship, she needs to learn her own mistakes, only then can she fully appreciate what it is that you/we had together. dont let it get you down mate, things will be fine:) im off to work now so be back later on, glad i could help ya out mate. |
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Anonymous Source Posts: 5 Joined: 17 May 2008 | Well, I have a question. I was on a class trip with a girl I like. But now, she SAYS that I'm her friend, but rarely talks to me. So now, I'm kind of in a state of confusion. EDIT----------------------------------- I don't get why women go after guys who treat them like nothing. I think that the women that do that are shallow. |
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Anonymous Source Posts: 6 Joined: 15 May 2008 | Thanks for the kind words of advicedom, guys. It really helps to know that I'm not the only one, although it's what you automatically think when you're put in that kind of situation. You know, it probably didn't help that she was the guy's best friend's sister.... that was complicated. Also, I hate artsy guys. They pretend that they're so troubled or some crap, like their paint is a blend of their tears and pain or something. I hate that stuff. Thats why I only draw stick figures, or use MS paint, to prevent myself from becoming talented at painting or drawing, because then I become amazing at it and I love it, but then something tragic happens, and I decide never to do it again, but then I decide to take it up again, but my paintings are only symbols for my internal ethical struggle between my urge to paint for my love of it, or paint with the blood of my future victims, and then some girl tries to convince me to the side of good, and then we get together, and I paint because I want to, not because I have to, but then she dies or something, and then I kill myself, but just before, I finish a magnificent painting of roses and blood or something tragic, and it turns out she wasn't dead, and she takes up painting to remember me, and then the sad music gets a little louder as the scene fades to black and into the credits. And thats why you shouldn't paint. |
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Anonymous Source Posts: 4 Joined: 17 May 2008 | so there's this female that i have been crazy about and respected whole-heartedly for several years now, and over the last roughly 10 years, we have become close friends. I had thoughts about asking if she would be able to think of me as more than a friend, butshortly afterwards, she almost seemed to ignore me, although she assured me it was because she simply hadnt seen me. I don't know if she's interested at all, or if i should just be satisfied with the friendship, or how to find out if she is interested without going behind her back or making her uncomfortable. I want to convince her to give me the one chance i need, but any way i can think of seems to be forcing her into it, and i really don't want to do that. what should i do? |
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Anonymous Source Posts: 5 Joined: 17 May 2008 | @Daryni: Well, it seems that you guys have been friends for a LONG time. I guess she kind of sees you as a brotherly figure. |
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Anonymous Source Posts: 4 Joined: 17 May 2008 | i guess i can understand that, because i have done my best to be there for her and any of my friends whenever they need a shoulder to cry on or just someone to vent to. I just hope that hasnt completely cut me off from her romantically. |
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Press Junketeer Posts: 408 Joined: 14 May 2008 |
The whole "close guy friend" thing has been a conundrum since the dawn of relationships. It's definitely not uncommon for friends of the opposite sex to have feelings for one another but never admit it for fear of ruining the friendship. So far as what to do about it, I think it varies from instance to instance and I doubt that any one of us is going to be able to tell you, without a shadow of a doubt, what the best option would be. You know her better than we do, that's for sure, and it's all in how you think she'll handle it. If you think she'd laugh at you and shrug it off and that your relationship wouldn't be affected if she didn't think of you in a romantic way, then go for it. But if she's the kind who gets spooked easily, I wouldn't risk it. A good indicator of this is if she's friends with her ex boyfriends or not. If she can maintain a good friendship even with residual feelings, then she could probably handle it if you asked her how she felt about you romantically. But if she's the kind of girl that breaks all contact with guys she dumps, your friendship may not be able to handle it. That's the way I see it, anyhow. |
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Press Junketeer Posts: 371 Joined: 8 May 2008 | to the guys who are saying they want to be more than friends with someone they've been friends with for a long time: DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL HER YOU LIKE HER. ok now thats out of the way, the way you go about it is not to actually tell her, let your actions do the talking. "accidently" brush your hand against yours. find any excuse to touch her(not in that way), "play" around abit with her, tease her. if you tell her you like her then she will think shes already got you and will get you to do anything for her without her investing any emotions in to your ventures, and you will gladly do anything she says because you naively think she'll then let you be her bf. if you tell her you like her then this will happen(its happened to me plenty a time before i "sussed" it): obviously you're not gunna say this stuff verbatim so dont ridicule my crappy dialogue lol her: what is it? you: i....uh.... i kinda like you more than a friend. her: .........i only like you as a friend. you :O did you see what happened there? you probs didnt so ill explain the best way i can. in other words NEW GAME....continued right so this is what you do: 1. act like you dont care. ok let me explain this cause i dont want to come off as being insensitive. basically stop following her all over the place, stop calling her to "hang out", stop talking to her so much, make her miss you. atm im assuming shes seen you pretty much everyday for however long you've known her, stop doing that, go out with other friends, take up a new hobby, do different things. this not will only make her miss you cause you're not around her as much as you used to but you will also better yourself as a person. 2. play with her. dont just comply or agree with everything she says, "argue" with her, tease her, beg to differ and have fun with her, with her mind, not at her expense, im not talking publicly humiliating her here. play fight, just treat her like you would one of your guy mates, minus all the rough and tumble and burping and farting and just generally any male stuff that guys only do with guys around. but at the same time dont make her center of attention, dont put her up on a pedestal like most guys do. 3. get a life. i know that may sound harsh but allow me to elaborate. im sure all of you guys do sports or some kind of activity outside of school/college/uni/whatever. basically dont think getting a girl is the be all and end all of life. go out and party with friends, take up a hobby like ive said, meet new ppl, just enjoy life to the fullest. the benefit of this is two fold because 1. you will become a more knowledgeable and outgoing guy, you'll become more confident and be more open to new ppl as well as new ideas and 2. girls/women will see you as that fun loving, outgoing and confident guy and they will be attracted to you, no matter your financial status, looks or background etc, they will be attracted to you. so dont just do it for the women but do it for yourself too because you will be thankful you did. 4. make her think, keep her on her toes. if she does or says something which is ambiguous, turn it around to mean something else, most go the dirty route, do that, something that sounds suspect that she says turn it around and make it seem like shes suggesting something dirty. example: you: huh? you're wet? i havent done anything yet though her: :O see what i did there? turned it around to suggest..........., well im hoping you guys can see what i did, if i need to explain then honestly you are lost lol. women dont like a guy who rolls over and is a pushover, they like someone who is in control, in control of themselves, the situations they're in and of the ppl they interact with, they want someone who oozes(ewww)manliness(for lack of a better word lol), someone who is strong but gentle at the same time, someone who knows how to push her buttons to satisfy her. that is all for now, if anyone wants any other "tips" then just ask, ill be happy to ask. sidenote to the girls in this topic: i would in no way want to invalidate anything that you've said already, im not a woman so im not gunna preach that i know all, cause if anything i know nothing, i only know wat i have learnt and observed. you are all welcome to tell me anything that is wrong with what i have said, or if you find anything ive said offensive. we are all here to help after all:) thank you for reading folks:D |
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Paperboy Posts: 19 Joined: 16 May 2008 |
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Paperboy Posts: 19 Joined: 16 May 2008 | i myself wear the big glasses. it isnt a bad thing that u dnt lyk them...a lot of ppl dnt including my boyfriend. but thats really where u messed up.see as a chick we have this self conciouse thing where we have to look good in wutever we wear and when sum1 puts us dwn by say our clthes or maybe our sunglasses we get mad. try to watch wut u say to sum girls u neva know when 1 is jst gonna haul off and hit u.lol. |
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Anonymous Source Posts: 4 Joined: 17 May 2008 | in response to Wlkncntrdiction's #1 strategy, i am faced with a few issues. We are both in High School and a few classes together, so i couldn't "ignore" her without skipping, something i couldnt do because if my parents or siblings found out, well, letsjust say i wouldnt be posting here anymore. |
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Paperboy Posts: 19 Joined: 16 May 2008 | okay well my opinion... if u like a girl so much then why nt tell her? i mean if she finds out by sum1 else then ur screwed cuz it embaressing for her and especially u. the worst she could say is she dnt lyk u. and thats not rlly a bad thing cuz atleast youll know. i say o tell her u never know u might spark a relationship. i for one hate it when a teenage guy lyks me and doesnt say anything about it lik a lil elemantry school crush.my bf wuz my bff b4 we got together and ha asked me," wut do i do when i lik a girl but dnt want to tell her?" and i gave him the same advice im givin all of u. now were together and rlly happy. |
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Paperboy Posts: 19 Joined: 16 May 2008 | daryni, it may seem hard but read over my advice, think about it, and get back to me. |
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Press Junketeer Posts: 371 Joined: 8 May 2008 |
but he didnt exactly tell you though did he? @daryni. i guess i shudve been a bit more specific, but thanks for telling me your situation. i would say the same thing still applies, but more on a communication level, dont hang out with her at lunchtime, talk to other ppl in the class, dont always make a bee-line for her. @babyblueeyes. i dont mean this to sound harsh but that is your own view, just like mine, but like you said "i for one hate...", not every girl will like it if you tell them, it could have the opposite effect to what he wants. |
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Beat Writer Posts: 176 Joined: 13 Feb 2008 | I'm going to make a few statements and if you disagree, please tell me why. Statement 1) Girls always seem to completely ignore the guy they like and feign complete disinterest. Statement 2) Girls always seem to like the guy that ignores them and treats them badly. (assuming he has some sex appeal.) And when they land up in a relationship with a jerk they feel unlucky. No, girls, maybe 40% of the time you're unlucky but the rest of the time you're not. As a nation, girls have proven time and time again that they only like the jerks. (at a young age anyway.) So, in order to get girls attention, a lot of guys start behaving like jerks. And you know what? It works. I would much prefer it if we didn't have to play tennis with our feelings, But we don't have a choice. If there's a girl that you like but she ignores you and you don't know if she's genuinely not interested or if she's just feigning disinterest, and nothing you try is getting her attention, (like trying to talk to her) you have no choice but to ignore her so she will stop ignoring you... and it begins. |
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Paperboy Posts: 19 Joined: 16 May 2008 | darth... ur the boards smart as# arent u.its not that im tellin everyone how to live or wutever u said, im jst tryin to help. though u may not agree with my anticks, sum1 else may. ur not the only one on this board ya know. this is my first day to chat on this sight and im not used to everyone. u have ur own opinion and i have mine not everybody has to be intitled to the same thing. im jst tryin to make friends and all and im trully sorry if i came off to sound lik a bit#$. im only 15 and never dated a girl...gross! ive got a boyfriend lik u got a gf.and actually, we havnt been together long so im not gonna say i luv him yet but we have been through a LOT already together and always seemed to make it through. i hope u and ur girl have the same luck...oh and im srry 4 everything sometimes i tend to speak outta my ass. |
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Paperboy Posts: 19 Joined: 16 May 2008 | darth, i wouldnt mind a new beginning. i really am sorry though. i hope u understand. |
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Press Junketeer Posts: 371 Joined: 8 May 2008 |
correct me if im wrong but dont you have to love someone in order for them to be your bf/gf? just wondering. |
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Paperboy Posts: 19 Joined: 16 May 2008 |
i rlly wouldnt mind a new beginning. i hope u and everyone else undersands that im sorry. |
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Copy Clerk Posts: 111 Joined: 7 Feb 2008 |
Successfulness, beauty and all that won't save you if the girl thinks you're a prick, though. Being special to someone is not a question of being the best on the market; of course, having something to show off can act as a plus in the short term (not for every woman anyway) but in the long term? I doubt so. |
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Paperboy Posts: 19 Joined: 16 May 2008 |
do u mind if i jin in on this conversation? i MIGHT beable to help. |
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Paperboy Posts: 19 Joined: 16 May 2008 | i have a question for the guys...and girls, why is it that SOME guys act all sweet and cuddly when their alone with their girl and when their around their girl and their friends they act like slobs by grabbin ur as# and showing the girl off like some show girl in front of their friends. i asked my guy bout it and he said he jst wanted to make it clear that im all his and nobody can have me. which i understand that completely but some of the things he does rlly makes me feel like he is violating my personal space. what can i do and why does he really do the things he does? HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Paperboy Posts: 19 Joined: 16 May 2008 |
sooooooooo... is the board normally this dead or is it jst cuz im new?lol |
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Press Junketeer Posts: 371 Joined: 8 May 2008 |
i wouldnt know personally, but when i was out with my ex all the time i wouldnt do that. i wouldnt do that to any woman tbh, its demeaning to them, but thats just me, im sure there are wankers out there who would do it though. |
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Paperboy Posts: 19 Joined: 16 May 2008 |
thanks. i know wut he does is way wrong!! im glad that ur not one of the guys who do that. do u think i should brake up with him? i been thinkin about it but i would lik a 2nd opinion. |
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Anonymous Source Posts: 7 Joined: 17 May 2008 | There should be man purses! If any one plays guitar here: I always leave pics in my pockets, then, when I need them, I can never find them. on topic - I'm pathetic around girls I'm interested in and overly friendly/flirty with girls I have no interest in. I guess I'm too nervous I might do something to make 'her' think I'm stupid or something. I'm pretty defensive and have trouble opening up to people. I don't see how some people can just open up and tell the whole inner working of their mind and their problems. "Imagine if you had to wear a jock strap all the time." - I'd feel alot safer around other people and my package would appear 10 times bigger... |
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Press Junketeer Posts: 371 Joined: 8 May 2008 |
woah woah woah, thats a totally different ball game right there lol. i can't tell you whether to break up with him or not just based on that. and no offense but you dont know me, and i dont know you, wow that sounds really bad how i said that lol. |
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