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Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 603 Joined: 8 May 2008     | |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2489 Joined: 4 May 2008     | Well, this thread is a veritable hotbed of stereotyping. Most of the posters here seem to hate emos and their reason is simply a stereotype. I'm an emo. I have emo friends. I know tons of emos. We don't all continually moan and groan, and if you ask me the OP started the whole thread on a bias by suggesting that we do. I have nothing against people that label themselves as one thing or another, but I do dislike people that discriminate against those people for no good reason. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 391 Joined: 31 Oct 2007  |
For someone trying to quote the Great Rev King you yourself are mighty prejudice, so people who listen to techno and wear fluro take ecstasy and bash people up!?!?! ecstasy a drug that makes you want to hug everyone and proclaim how you've only just met them but you love them, do you actually know anything about it at all? Are you also just making narrow minded assumptions? in my experience some of the clubbers (or cybers) in the hard dance and techno scene's despite often being on the lowest rungs of society are some of the nicest and most straight up people you will ever meet (despite sometimes being a little skatty) I also know some goths who have got into the scene and have come over but still retain there goth roots (dark make up etc) but tend to contrast this with small areas of bright colours, in the scene we call them cyber goths. In my experience it is the good old taxable drug alcohol which leads to most violence both public and domestic, that is not to say everyone who drinks alcohol becomes violent as that is another massive generalisation. "Just a cheap, pale imitation of Goth" - The emo song |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 351 Joined: 27 Mar 2008   |
I am prejudice against the people who fit the stereotype i said. People who are simply clubbers or into Techno are alright by me it is only the ones who do yell random insults out of their suped up cars and bash people up for no reason that i have anything against. Just like there are people into emo music and "Emos" their are people who are into techno and there are "muzzas." |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3600 Joined: 13 Feb 2008     |
According to a study I've seen, video games make you kill people. Emo's are just Goth's without the fashion sense. Goth ideal "The world is without point and I'm just a drifter" |
Press Junketeer Posts: 351 Joined: 27 Mar 2008 |
/thread Completely true. |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 6 Joined: 2 Jul 2008  | I agree with BlazeTheVampire and about the rebeling and find it funny the way emos rebel is by not really doing anything. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 83 Joined: 14 Jun 2008  | Its just a trend, i dont understand the hate. Some of the music is good, some of it is awful. Its just like how when i was at school everyone jelled the front of there hair up in a quiff, now kids brush it over there face. Its just a trend. All this writst cutting, poetry writing stuff is a load of bollocks, its like saying anyone who wears a tracksuit wants to steal your wallet. The word 'EMO' has just become overused, its turned into the new 'gay' which is a word i remember was used excessivly at school. Plus it seems to be that in interent gaming forums where they are hated the most. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 561 Joined: 6 Apr 2008 | Just a thought though. Isn't that kind of die Emo die attitude kind of 'fuel on the fire', and in a way justifying what some people are presenting as stereotypical thoughts Emos have. I don't know, if you don't like it, why not...befriend someone like that? Y'know, try and change their minds about things by not trying to yell or punch their faces in. More bees with honey than vinegar right? Or was that flies... |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 459 Joined: 14 May 2008 |
Actually, it's been tried. My brother's girlfriend is a prime example. He feels bad for her because her parents are split and her mom's a little bit cuckoo, but there came a point in their relationship where it turned into her constantly whining. None of us can talk to her anymore, and I mean NONE of us, not even him, without her whining about her parents. She calls him at 7 am, when he's gone to bed at 3, because "her mother made her get up," so of course that means she has to wake him up so she's not alone in her misery. There's nothing good in the relationship, and I don't just mean between them. She's a friend of mine but there's nothing to be gained from being her friend, do you see what I'm saying? It's constantly about her, and if my brother were to have a problem, she would simply turn it around to make it about her instead of him. That's just one, but from what I've seen it's just about the same way with Emos around here. So it's not like your theory hasn't been tried, and I'm sure in a few cases it's worked, but for the most part it would be pretty masochistic to try. On a side note, I'm not a huge fan of labels either, but the question asked was why people don't like Emos. It's a simple question with a simple answer, regardless of one's own personal feelings on the matter. I don't recall who said it (it was on the previous page) but I agree that a person who goes, intentionally, by a label of anything, is a weak-minded person. That doesn't just go for Emos, it goes for every label. My personal preferences lean toward what people say is "Goth" but I don't use it as my defining point, you see? As cheesy as it sounds, I am who I am and I'm perfectly happy with that; I don't feel the need to put a label on myself to fit in. But, well, that's just me, and I'm certainly not perfect to go about using myself as a prime example of transcending labels and stereotypes; I'm guilty of judging by both sometimes too. None of us aren't. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2489 Joined: 4 May 2008 | Most people seem to have a hatred of Emos just because everyone else does, and they think that it's expected of them to hate them. Emos never did anything to them, and so they have no good reason to go out of their way to be a total pillock towards them. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 603 Joined: 8 May 2008 |
But the thing is everyone in this thread(I'm massively assuming here so correct me if I'm wrong)has had an "experience" or several with emos and the results have been the same, they(and myself)have perfectly "good" reasons to "hate" them, hate is such a strong word though so I'll use dislike. I do agree that some people do "go along with the crowd" in order to just "fit in" or seem "cool" though. I have no doubt that if I were to meet you in real life I wouldn't instantly think, emo therefore he's going to be annoying or anything like that, the emos who have pissed me off have given me reason to dislike them(those emos that pissed me off, not emos in general) but I won't judge someone based on a label, only on what they portray to me and how they interact with me. I agree with BlazeTheVampire on this too, there's no need for labels. I'm constantly labeled a "bounty", black on the outside, white on the inside, just because I listen to rock music and despise c/rap music, and apparently I do alot of things that only "white" people do, just shows how narrow minded some of the people(I have the unfortunate "pleasure" of knowing and working beside)are that are around me. Of course I don't pay them no mind, if anything I pity them that their small brains can't comprehend that everybody is different and can't be put into "groups", but on the flip side no one should be put into a "group" in the first place, we should all be happy being ourselves and not being "emo, "goth", whatever. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 61 Joined: 19 Sep 2007 | Kids are kids are kids. Funny how the ones that look different get the attention, while the ones that look normal but are really mean don't (little despondent atm, had a kid organise another kid to video her fight with a younger kid at work earlier this week - that sort of thing really makes me sick). I'm with the OP 100% - no harm no foul. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 225 Joined: 20 Feb 2008 | It's not like emo kids don't want us to hate them, it only reinforces everything their life is about. I personally just can't stand the fact that someone can be so depressing all the time and unappreciative of how good their life is compared to most of the world. Emos never did anything to anyone, except annoy the shit out of everyone they know with their constant whining, depressive manner, and depressive music. Everyone in a room could be so happy and having a pleasant time, until the emo kid shows up and just drags the mood down. WTF? Why did you have to do that? OK your parents are devorced and don't give you enough attention. Boo-hoo! Kill yourself or cheer the fuck up. |
Beat Writer Posts: 209 Joined: 17 Jun 2008  |
And this couldn't possible make anyone feel bad or misunderstood. This attitude, encountered in so many places couldn't be why emos are depressed, could it? Being hated by large parts of the world is an invigorating experiece, something that makes you proud of what are, and makes you walk with your head held up high. Being assaulted, abused and insulted for dressing like you do, for being open about your feelings and for not conforming with reality, that's the best cure for depression. Get a grip. Don't hate what you do not understand. The human mind is just as fragile as the human body. I have suffered from fullblown deppression. It's not funny. It's not pretty. Everything fades away in comparison. I'm not an emo, I never have been. I've hung out with a few, most have a good reason for feeling like they do, no matter if they have a lot of money or not. Please, what would that matter? Do you really believe that if someone has money they don't have any problems in the world? Do you seriously believe that? Sure, some people who call themselves emo might just do it to get attention, some people might just like the style or the image. If someone does it for attention then that's just as valid a reason as anything else, low self-esteem is a serious problem. One not very easily fixed, when it feels like the world hates you that doesn't make things easier, when even your own group, "hardcore" emos with "real reasons" to be depressed hate you because you ruin their image, then that's a real problem. Before you start hating someone try to understand them. If you can't understand them, go read a book, if you still can't understand them, repeat step 2 until you do. Don't go punching, insulting or hating people for being different or because you're too self-centered to understand. Emos are as much people as you and me, the day you get suffer from deppression (and I sure as hell hope that that happens soon to the predjudiced idiots that hate emos, or anyone, for no reason) you'll understand. You'll be too weak, too apathic to do anything about it, or anything at all for that matter, you'll feel like killing yourself just to end it, and you'll probably lose most of your relationships, but at least you'll understand. It might kill you, but it's bloody worth it. And you know what? When that happens, no emos will come punch you in the face for it. No emos will shout insults at you just because of how you look. And I'm willing to bet that most emos would welcome you, if you needed a friend and someone to talk to. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 181 Joined: 22 Jan 2008 | Emo's are not Space Aliens or the X-Men, people do not "hate them because they fear what they do not understand." It's simply an extention of schoolyard bullying; the act of increasing ones own status in the social hierachy by picking on another. They don't fit norms, and this presents an opportunity to display ones own coherence to said norms. It's why men in pubs call blokes "poof". I find it's become a bit of a catch-all term. As I'm sure has been chronicled in this thread, there is a certain dress code, set of musical tastes and general outlook that is labeled "emo", like Chav or Wangtsa, etc. But folks on the interwebs seem to use it to mean anything with any emotional content whatsoever, as if something like Schindlers List was emo. Poetry too has ben lumped under its umbrella mainly thanks to god-awful teenage poets, but christ alive, try calling Phillip Larkin or Tennyson "emo." |
Copy Clerk Posts: 111 Joined: 7 Feb 2008 |
Mostly, emos are hated because they are easier to hate. They don't hurt, right? So, they are the perfect target for a bit of "stress relieving". |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1481 Joined: 15 Jun 2008    |
Every subculture has its share of arseholes. Doesn't mean all subcultures are bad. Some subcultures may encourage more negative behaviours and therefore have a larger share, but it doesn't mean every member of that subculture should be tarred with the same brush. I call myself goth, because thats what most people will call me anyway. im comfortable with that, i didnt decide to be goth, it just sort of happens. people will always label one another, its how our brains are hardwired (its called heuristics, its a cognitive saving device). |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1535 Joined: 7 Mar 2008  |
no goths are actually fairly smart and articulate and not really depressive. depending on the type they usually have a fine sense of culture and refined tastes emo's whine and complain about crap and really they aren't that bad off, most are upper middle class kids who whine cause they have to live a life that everyone else does and do stuff. this is cause of parents wanting to give their precious little snowflakes everything in the damn world i've told a few of them where to go after listening to them whine and complain. i've offered to switch places with them, they said no and i said "well shut the hell up before i really give you something to cry about like a need to cough boot polish"
over here it's called an oreo cookie |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 603 Joined: 8 May 2008 |
That's funny, for a minute there it sounded like you understood emos. Yeah even though I "hate" emos, it doesn't mean that you understand them anymore than I do.
Well done, do you want a cookie? I've suffered from depression too, before you climb up too high onto that horse of yours you might want to remember that others have suffered depression too, not just you. Yeah I know it ain't pretty, yeah I know it ain't funny, but you know what? I got over it, I conquered my depression(and so have you judging by the "have"). You must be confusing me for some stupid ignorant fool who doesn't know that money can't buy you happiness and low self esteem is only a "serious" problem because the person who has it thinks bad of themselves and thrives off bad things and projects the bad things they're going through onto others, kinda sounds like an emo doesn't it? Those who bitch about little things to other people instead of getting up off their ass and changing themselves. Depression is serious I'm not arguing that but to me pulling out the "depression" or "emo" card is like blaming schools for not teaching your child about sex education when the parents should be doing it. You only have yourself to blame. No matter the circumstances that got you depressed or "emofied" it's your job to pull yourself out of it, no amount of bitching to other people or feeling sorry for yourself is going to change that. Similarly they need to "get a grip" and stop playing the victim of society, no one cares. Grow a backbone and actually be appreciative of what you have because there are far worse off people than yourself, you really shouldn't be feeling sorry for yourself. That one sentence could probably solve everyones problems; grow a goddamn backbone. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3600 Joined: 13 Feb 2008 |
I'm a Goth and can be depressive as hell sometimes, but I'll agree to the other bits. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 474 Joined: 25 Jun 2008 | I always get Emo confused with Elmo, since they're both muppets. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1481 Joined: 15 Jun 2008 |
You really ought to know it's not that simple. you cant bully someone out of depression. proper clinical depression is one of the hardest psychological illnesses to treat, due to the high recividism rate. then again, theres a difference between that and just run of the mill depression, which is usually a response to something, an event or whatever. and then there are whiners who just lack proper perspective and want a cookie and a cuddle. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 870 Joined: 8 Apr 2008  | I don't hate Emo's, I just hate people who label themselves. Genuine Emo's are too depressed to go around saying "I'm Emo, I'm cool, LOVE ME!" If you are, chances are you're just doing it for the attention. Same thing if you go around telling everyone you're goth or whatnot. Cookie Cutter Lifestyles, as I like to call them, are for people who don't want to look in the mirror and realize how awesome their own life is. |
Muckraker  Posts: 262 Joined: 7 Jan 2008 |
That reminded me of these Guys: http://xkcd.com/23/ |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 428 Joined: 2 Jul 2008 | i was once emo, so i dont hate them. but i wasnt emo because of the atention. i was emo because i was totally depressed. i still wear black though, its cool. |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 9 Joined: 27 Mar 2008 | Dear Diary: Mood: Apathetic. My life is spiraling downward. I'm an emo kid, non-conforming as can be Stop my breathing and slit my throat I'm dark, and sensitive with low self-esteem Stop my breathing and slit my throat My life is just a black abyss, When I get depressed I cut my I look like I'm dead and dress like a homo My parents just don't get me, you know. That About Does it |
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You may not like their music but some of us here aren't emo but still like their music, for example, me. My Chemical Romance and other "emo" bands aren't just reserved for them, some of us like them, I have a feeling I'm on my own in that sense but I still like them and I'm not what society would label an "emo".
Really if "emo" is short for "emotional person" then aren't we all technically emos? We're all emotional to some degree at certain times.
Jesus j.e.f.f.e.r.s. does the guy from MCR have serious problems lol, he makes good music though(to me anyways). I find the lyrics kinda stupid but I like the beats and pace of the songs, I say the same of rap music, shitty(and degrading)lyrics but good beat that I can dance too
*dances in a corner by his lonesome*
Just remember OP that music labeled "emo", "goth" or any other stupid social subsidiary doesn't mean that it "belongs" exclusively to that "group".
Anyway, on topic. I hate emos, they do my fucking nut in with their "My life is so bad, no one understands me", oh we understand you alright. We understand that you get on our nerves because you're bitching over nothing when you most likely have things alot better than most people have, how about I understand a knife into your chest, that'll help with the "pain" you already have of no one understanding you.