Ultrajoe FTW!!!

...Ron Paul? Please? .... *sniff* ....

Unmannedperson:
Ultrajoe FTW!!!

...Ron Paul? Please? .... *sniff* ....

The ultimate US election would be Ron Paul and either Dennis Kucinich or Screamin' Howard Dean. Not that I like any of those fellows, but then I don't particularly like any of my choices (except of course Ultrajoe), but I have this lovely mental image of huge and very entertaining soccer-like brawls around the convention halls...

THIS FONDANT IS CLEARLY AN INFERIOR CANDIDATE-SPECIMEN

THE ULTRA JOE COUNTS ONLY 86 CAPITAL LETTERS IN HIS PROPOSAL!

YOUR PUBLIC NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR MORE, MR FONDANT?

THE ULTRA JOE PROMISES TO BANN ALL LOWER CASE LETTERS! FOREVER! IN ORDER TO REMOVE CASE-EQUALITY ISSUES FROM OUR GREAT NATION, AND ONCE AND FOR ALL STOP CONFUSION OVER THE USE OF A CAPITAL 'I' IN SENTENCES.

WOULD FONDANT DO SO MUCH? I DOUBT IT, JUST LOOK AT HOW MANY LOWER CASE LETTERS HE USES, AND THOSE ARE NOT HIS ONLY CONTROVERSIAL HABITS!

I ASK YOU AMERICA, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH A CANDIDATE WHO USES WORDS LIKE 'MUSLIM', 'WHISKEY', 'NAKED OR 'SCIENTOLOGY'???

I KNOW I DONT.

DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH A MAN WHO CAN USE THE WORD 'SOCIAL'?

SOCIAL IS ONLY A FEW LETTERS AWAY FROM SOCIALISM, WHICH IS A BIT LIKE COMMUNISM

THIS COMMUNIST NUDIST ALCOHOLIC MUSLIM IS CLEARLY A THREAT TO YOUR BELOVED NATION! AND AS SUCH I AM MAKING A PRE-ELECTIVE DECREE TO HAVE HIM ARRESTED FOR TREASON AND ATTEMPTING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT IN COMPETITION WITH THE ULTRA JOE.

*THIS ADVERTISEMENT WAS PAID FOR BY THE FONDANT-FOR-PRESIDENT GROUP WHEN HELD AT GUNPOINT BY THE UTRA-JOE-FOR-OVERLORD PARTY, SPOKEN BY THE ULTRA JOE, ILLEGAL USE OF THIS COMMERCIAL WILL MAKE ME MAD AND I WILL COME TO YOUR HOUSES AND LOOK THREATENINGLY THROUGH YOUR WINDOWS, AND MAYBEY BREAK IN AND EAT YOUR FOOD WHILE NOT TAKING OFF MY ULTRA-SHOES*

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Larenxis:
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werepossum:

Sylocat:
[quote=werepossum]Besides the fact that the article linked is a blatant appeal for a certain Democrat candidate (witness the last line "Too bad that the one leading Democratic candidate who promises to do so now appears to be on the ropes."), it's a blatantly liberal-biased article which attempts to bash the economy by changing the parameters measured, pretty much the same thing you intimated I was doing. At least Ehrenreich has given up the blatant lie that we are in a recession now, but she is trying to make the case for changing the definition of a recession to "hard times" so as to put us in a recession. Changing the terms of a recession to declare we're in one for political gain is, at least in my opinion, even worse and more intellectually dishonest than picking and choosing which statistics to use.

That's not the point of the article. It's pointing out the futility of squabbling about whether we're in a recession or not, because broad numbers don't mean much to any single person in the overall populace being measured. If you want to squabble about definitions, I'd pick the definition of the word "growth," because it's easy to hold numbers generated by outmoded numerical systems up as exemplary of good times, when if you look around, said numbers don't really affect anything.
(I probably could have made that a little clearer, I admit. ^_^; )

That said, I agree with about 99.9% of everything you said after that (and I'm always grateful to find someone else who is willing to step away from the "u have 2 vote for my guy cuz teh other guy is even worse" mentality), but it just brings me back to my fundamental criticism of our economic structure: America rewards this sort of behavior. If we're willing to deport illegal immigrants, shouldn't we also crack down on businesses that give our jobs to them? Oh no, that would be *gasp* government interference!

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DUDE! That's like Nazi Germany all over again!

Ladies and gentlemen, we apologise for the interruption of the broadcast of our beloved Genneralissimo Fondant due to technical matters regarding the recent intrusion of the group of radical facist imperialist warmongering communists under the control of the Ultra Joe movement working on behalf of international communist front in alliance with the corrupt bourgeise state of America. All of the traitors have now been executed, barring the ultra joe himself, who killed three brave warriors of liberty by his treacherous overuse of capital letters and fled for his life.

We now return to out regular broadcast:

As leader (Silence you!*Kicks whimpering ultrajoe supporter in the gut wound.*) of this proud and beautiful nation, I hereby announce my intention to make all forms of deliberate poor grammar, in particular the utilisation of innappropriate capitalisation a crime against the state, punishable by a minimum sentance of three death penalties.

Anyhow, I hereby, as your beloved and supreme leader, declare that all persons who can not recognise at least one Beethoven symphony are to be executed by means of dartboard.

I'm going for Obama because no plan is better than a clear plan I don't agree with. I don't think he'll accomplish anything too batshit crazy, and we could use a change of direction, which I doubt McCain can provide.

Darth_Dude:
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DUDE! That's like Nazi Germany all over again!

Godwin's Law for the win! Troll goes down! Troll goes down!

Seriously, dude, most will thank you for snipping sections of a long post, but don't just leave the first part, leave the part to which you are responding. To substance, what I called out is no more strict (except for the five year moratorium) than is Mexico's own immigration policy. And please learn at least a bit about Nazi Germany before throwing around Nazi accusations. Ending illegal immigration wasn't high on the Nuremberg trials docket.

And there can be but one true Darth here; thou art but a pale pretender.

werepossum:

Darth_Dude:
(I had to shorten the quote 'cause it was too long)
DUDE! That's like Nazi Germany all over again!

Godwin's Law for the win! Troll goes down! Troll goes down!

Seriously, dude, most will thank you for snipping sections of a long post, but don't just leave the first part, leave the part to which you are responding. To substance, what I called out is no more strict (except for the five year moratorium) than is Mexico's own immigration policy. And please learn at least a bit about Nazi Germany before throwing around Nazi accusations. Ending illegal immigration wasn't high on the Nuremberg trials docket.

And there can be but one true Darth here; thou art but a pale pretender.

Any person wishing to imigrate to the third reich post 1936 was both quite welcome to, and most likely also clinically insane. And treasonous. And a multitude of other things- stupid, being one of them.

Yea, tha'art but a shadow to the pussiant will of Lord Mobius. Fear his wrath, slave, lest thy days be cut shorter by a (thy) head.

http://www.deviantart.com/download/83898566/Megatron_For_President_by_Raksha_the_Demon.jpg

On a more serious note, if i was a US citizen, i wouldn't bother to vote. Why vote if you only have 2 choices and neither is close to what you can put yourself behind?

To werepossum & Fondant:

I mentioned Nazi germany because doing some of those the mentioned would be like setting up a totalarian non-democratic ruthless government; which was what Nazi germany was.

Darth_Dude:
To werepossum & Fondant:

I mentioned Nazi germany because doing some of those the mentioned would be like setting up a totalarian non-democratic ruthless government; which was what Nazi germany was.

In that case use authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic or tyrannical (possibly not the last three as they have slightly different meanings). All of these are more accurate and don't poison the well for the other guy if he wants to debate with you. Whether you mean to or not, when you link the other guy with the nazis it makes his position harder to defend without you actually rebutting anything he's said.

NAzi- use it in the actual historical context. FUCK but it annoys me that when people propose things that are right-wing then they become 'Nazi'.

Right, you ugly fuckwits:

Nazism stands for National socialism.

This is a system of goverment similar to facism, in that the state becomes very powerful, individual rights are restricted by the state, all power is co-opted or consolidated into the state and in general the goverment, in varying degrees of co-operation with business and other right-wing groups.

Nazism, however, represents a similar system with an added element of racist idealogy. Calling facist or right-wing solutions to a problem 'Nazi' is nothing more than a disgusting smear tactic of the same level of calling socilaist or left-wing policies (Like the New Deal) 'Communist' or 'Revolutionary'.

So: Any person using nazi as a catch-all for general rightist policies on this forum hereby wins the title 'Fuckwit of the year.'

Fondant:
NAzi- use it in the actual historical context. FUCK but it annoys me that when people propose things that are right-wing then they become 'Nazi'.

Right, you ugly fuckwits:

Nazism stands for National socialism.

This is a system of goverment similar to facism, in that the state becomes very powerful, individual rights are restricted by the state, all power is co-opted or consolidated into the state and in general the goverment, in varying degrees of co-operation with business and other right-wing groups.

Nazism, however, represents a similar system with an added element of racist idealogy. Calling facist or right-wing solutions to a problem 'Nazi' is nothing more than a disgusting smear tactic of the same level of calling socilaist or left-wing policies (Like the New Deal) 'Communist' or 'Revolutionary'.

So: Any person using nazi as a catch-all for general rightist policies on this forum hereby wins the title 'Fuckwit of the year.'

Quoted for truth. The same is true for socialism - there are no capitalist economies today without some strong elements of socialism, and damned few of us would care to live in a purely capitalistic society. The only question is specifically which socialist principles to adopt and to what degree.

Nothing personal Darth_Dude, but accusations of, and comparisons to, Nazi Germany require an extremely high correlation. As to my plan (not much of a plan really since it took me perhaps twenty minutes to conceive it and type it), it involves nothing more than enforcing the existing law except for re-interpretation of the 14th amendment, specifically to recognize that if you are in the country illegally you are not "subject to the jurisdiction of" the United States. That I think requires an amendment. Although there is ample common law preventing descendants from benefiting from the crimes of their parents, I think SCOTUS would determine that a person born in the USA becomes "subject to the jurisdiction of" the United States immediately at birth (as opposed to children born to embassy personnel, for example) and thus is born a citizen. The only problem I have with that is that illegals sneak into the country and have a child which then becomes an "anchor baby", under the doctrine that the child is a citizen and is dependent on the care of the illegal alien. Thus the illegal is allowed to stay even if he/she happens to be a felon. I don't think this (automatic citizenship for the children of illegals) is true for any other country.

Of course, this is not much of a problem if the integrity of our borders is properly enforced, or if for any other reason the flood of illegals is reduced to manageable proportions.

Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but I have to ask, has there every been (or could there ever be) a situation where Senator Jesse Ventura & Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger get into a heated political debate?

I would like to think it would be like a scene from Predator & old school WWF rolled up into a debate of political awesomeness the likes of which the world has never seen.

Isn't Clint Eastwood also in politics? If so he could be allowed to chair the debate!

I would vote for Any republican because clinton is a commie and Obama refused to campaing in Michigan. therefore denying money from circuling here, but he happily spent money in Porto Rico (Sorry for misspelling) when the majority of people there hate blacks. and they can't vote for pres 'cause there not a state.