Bulletinmybrain: We are not creatures of instinct no longer we have evolved past that. We now make choices on what we know, Whats likely to happen and etc.
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Right...
Tell your mum that there's a bread shortage and see how many loaves appear in your freezer.
We'll always be creatures of instinct; we've just found a definition of intelligence that puts us at the top.
Lanczos: Firstly: We are not the smartest. Dolphins are smarter than us which makes them the second smartest creatures an this planet. First place in case of smartiness are the mice! Diddn't you read D. Adams Hitchhikers Guide?
Dolphins may be more complex but i have yet to see a dolphin build a city.
Bulletinmybrain: We are not creatures of instinct no longer we have evolved past that. We now make choices on what we know, Whats likely to happen and etc.
*cough* *cough* *cough*
Right...
Tell your mum that there's a bread shortage and see how many loaves appear in your freezer.
Instincts can not be learned. The above is actually intelligence because she would react on what she knows.
Instincts are more along the lines of you must eat every day or your body may be starved. To crap someplace other then where you drink stuff like that. Unspoken things your body instantly does without you having to actually put forth effort.
We'll always be creatures of instinct; we've just found a definition of intelligence that puts us at the top.
Well, I am utterly disgusted at the elitism than some of the posters displayed. Actually it was as extreme as talking about the human race like if they weren't part of it. I can't really feature that. When you think about it, there's a boatload of elitism all around this site anyways. There has to be a complex of something...somewhere.
Not exactly. But I'll take the compliment. What I'm saying is a person can have their individual views, knowledge, so on and so forth, but collectively, humanity does not utilize this knowledge in a way that could be considered smart. Humanity is an egotistical, destructive, uncaring, ignorant species. While knowledge is among them, collectively, they do not use this intellect to the ultimate potential it should be used for. Thus, they harm each other, themselves, other species, the environment, and inevitably will cause their own destruction.
Oh yeah, to lanostos, if it was as extreme as talking about the human race as if they weren't apart of it? Not exactly like I don't realize I'm human, I'm more of a misanthropist myself.
Humans are intelligent, defiantly, just look at what we've managed to accomplish.
But Smart ? I don't bloody think so. Take smoking as a fair example. Everyone knows it's bad for you, and yet, in full knowledge that it'll make you pretty damn sick in later life, people are still puffing away 220/30 a day.
Define smart... By my definition, which is "smarter than me" I would say on average... No. If your definition is something like "able to speak" then the answer is probably yes but then you are on my list of people who don't qualify as smart.
Instincts can not be learned. The above is actually intelligence because she would react on what she knows.
Instincts are more along the lines of you must eat every day or your body may be starved. To crap someplace other then where you drink stuff like that. Unspoken things your body instantly does without you having to actually put forth effort.
OK...so you can't learn that in a combat situation you get the hell out of the way immediately? Fire a gun in a crowd and see how few do anything but go "Uhhh?"; only the trained soldiers will immediately go for cover.
Intelligence would be to question if there was actually a food shortage. Simply storing food is instinctual.
And as for the 'Don't crap where you eat', Cats know that. However, a number of African villages don't. And Dogs don't care because they're also coprovores.
What is unspoken for us maybe perfectly acceptable for others; that's the nub of how you can't judge intelligence. Countries with a mostly rural population will score lower on IQ tests because they don't have the abundance of straight lines that are a main component to 'normal' IQ tests. In visual tests that rely on camouflage though, they'll score a lot higher than we would.
Instincts can not be learned. The above is actually intelligence because she would react on what she knows.
Instincts are more along the lines of you must eat every day or your body may be starved. To crap someplace other then where you drink stuff like that. Unspoken things your body instantly does without you having to actually put forth effort.
OK...so you can't learn that in a combat situation you get the hell out of the way immediately? Fire a gun in a crowd and see how few do anything but go "Uhhh?"; only the trained soldiers will immediately go for cover.
Intelligence would be to question if there was actually a food shortage. Simply storing food is instinctual.
And as for the 'Don't crap where you eat', Cats know that. However, a number of African villages don't. And Dogs don't care because they're also coprovores.
What is unspoken for us maybe perfectly acceptable for others; that's the nub of how you can't judge intelligence. Countries with a mostly rural population will score lower on IQ tests because they don't have the abundance of straight lines that are a main component to 'normal' IQ tests. In visual tests that rely on camouflage though, they'll score a lot higher than we would.
I should be shot for saying we are not creatures of instinct no longer. After rereading my post i'm a freaking idiot and i'm not taking in the whole world into account.
Some humans are just stupid. There are some exceptionally smart Humans out there, look at what we have accomplished. We have, flown, been to the moon, the sea floor, computers have become household machines. That is rather amazing if you ask me.
conqueror Kenny: Some humans are just stupid. There are some exceptionally smart Humans out there, look at what we have accomplished. We have, flown, been to the moon, the sea floor, computers have become household machines. That is rather amazing if you ask me.
We also have explored the inside of the inside of the things that make up everything if i'm correct.( the inside of atoms if i'm correct )
Instincts can not be learned. The above is actually intelligence because she would react on what she knows.
Instincts are more along the lines of you must eat every day or your body may be starved. To crap someplace other then where you drink stuff like that. Unspoken things your body instantly does without you having to actually put forth effort.
OK...so you can't learn that in a combat situation you get the hell out of the way immediately? Fire a gun in a crowd and see how few do anything but go "Uhhh?"; only the trained soldiers will immediately go for cover.
Intelligence would be to question if there was actually a food shortage. Simply storing food is instinctual.
And as for the 'Don't crap where you eat', Cats know that. However, a number of African villages don't. And Dogs don't care because they're also coprovores.
What is unspoken for us maybe perfectly acceptable for others; that's the nub of how you can't judge intelligence. Countries with a mostly rural population will score lower on IQ tests because they don't have the abundance of straight lines that are a main component to 'normal' IQ tests. In visual tests that rely on camouflage though, they'll score a lot higher than we would.
I should be shot for saying we are not creatures of instinct no longer. After rereading my post i'm a freaking idiot and i'm not taking in the whole world into account.
Only someone smart can realize he's a freaking idiot; stupid people never catch on. Congratulations.
As to instincts, here in Chattanooga, Tennessee every time there's a forecast of snow the grocery stores are jammed and all the essentials (bread and milk especially) are soon gone, in spite of the fact that we don't get a snow that stops traffic in the city more than once a decade, and then usually for only a day or so (and never for four-wheel or all-wheel drive vehicles.) It's so bad that if snow is forecast we don't go to the store even if we need to, just to avoid the idiots.
Instincts can not be learned. The above is actually intelligence because she would react on what she knows.
Instincts are more along the lines of you must eat every day or your body may be starved. To crap someplace other then where you drink stuff like that. Unspoken things your body instantly does without you having to actually put forth effort.
OK...so you can't learn that in a combat situation you get the hell out of the way immediately? Fire a gun in a crowd and see how few do anything but go "Uhhh?"; only the trained soldiers will immediately go for cover.
Intelligence would be to question if there was actually a food shortage. Simply storing food is instinctual.
And as for the 'Don't crap where you eat', Cats know that. However, a number of African villages don't. And Dogs don't care because they're also coprovores.
What is unspoken for us maybe perfectly acceptable for others; that's the nub of how you can't judge intelligence. Countries with a mostly rural population will score lower on IQ tests because they don't have the abundance of straight lines that are a main component to 'normal' IQ tests. In visual tests that rely on camouflage though, they'll score a lot higher than we would.
I should be shot for saying we are not creatures of instinct no longer. After rereading my post i'm a freaking idiot and i'm not taking in the whole world into account.
Only someone smart can realize he's a freaking idiot; stupid people never catch on. Congratulations.
As to instincts, here in Chattanooga, Tennessee every time there's a forecast of snow the grocery stores are jammed and all the essentials (bread and milk especially) are soon gone, in spite of the fact that we don't get a snow that stops traffic in the city more than once a decade, and then usually for only a day or so (and never for four-wheel or all-wheel drive vehicles.) It's so bad that if snow is forecast we don't go to the store even if we need to, just to avoid the idiots.
So i'm smart because I can tell my above statements were stupid. Makes sense in a way. But yeah atleast you get snow here in va we have zilch for snow.>.>
Bulletinmybrain: No we are the best on this planet at killing other humans. We freaking made a bomb that blows up everything in 100 meters of the drop site!
I picked undecided. There is no way I could answer that. In fact, most people shouldn't answer it. We don't even know what intellegence is. The only post I read so far that presented something close to my views on the subject was this one.
Lanczos: For one intelligent individual there are a hundred (or many more) stupid mainstream braindeads lead by their instincts and nothing but their biology. Most people I know only come to decisions by fetching their moral rules which they are bred to have. (sorry if that was completely bad english, I'm not native-speaking) Such behaviour is not smart, it's average... most people do so. And that's nothing bad because most people are not intelligent enough to make own decisions. Since I don't believe that there is a real characteristic like intelligence, but many characteristics that together form a more or less individual character it's always a stupid discussion about intelligence in my eyes. Everyone has a different understanding of the world an everything which is based on the way our brain has developed since we were a baby. Some undertstand very precisely what is happening around them, some do not. Those that do not, mostly don't even know that they don't know and as such don't care. Humans just work, they work like everything else in the world just works. The complexity your brain works with may be that what makes you "intelligent".
btw: I voted for no cause only a few humans are capable of understanding why I voted no. If you are such subject, congratulations you are what I call intellient. At leats in some parts.
Depends how you define smart. If you define it as got the big and most fire sticks that hurt things, yes we succeed. Until some aliens descend upon us and kick the shit out of us, ironic.
As far as I can see, It is both yes and no. Yes, as individuals we gotz da shmarts. No, as a group we are like sheep. Mindless, clueless if we don't have one to lead us, and just plain stupid.
Dommyboy: Depends how you define smart. If you define it as got the big and most fire sticks that hurt things, yes we succeed. Until some aliens descend upon us and kick the shit out of us, ironic.
Nah by my count we could outlast them until the point where them fighting us would be unfeasible.
considering that "smart" and "intelligent" are purely human concepts used to measure human traits, then yes, we are the smartest and most intelligent species in existence.
Also, since the question is a purely semantic one, the fact that this debate is not purely a discussion of semantics it kinda proves that you're all rather stupid (and no; stupid is not just the opposite of smart)
Omnidum: As far as I can see, It is both yes and no. Yes, as individuals we gotz da shmarts. No, as a group we are like sheep. Mindless, clueless if we don't have one to lead us, and just plain stupid.
[sorry for the double post]
as a group of individuals we are actually surprisingly smart, it's when someone tries to lead us, our tendency to blindly accept leadership makes us stupid. Yet without leadership the group goes nowhere... makes ya think...
...made me think of an equation (Intelligence of group)=(intelligence of leader) x (leadership/person management ability of leader)
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Right...
Tell your mum that there's a bread shortage and see how many loaves appear in your freezer.
We'll always be creatures of instinct; we've just found a definition of intelligence that puts us at the top.