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Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 711 Joined: 14 May 2008     | |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4744 Joined: 30 Jan 2008     |
No, as in the Character of Fallout Boy from the Simpsons. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 667 Joined: 16 Apr 2008  |
Well, I thought he died. Even if he didn't die, he'd be in jail big time for what he did to Gordon's family. |
Beat Writer Posts: 148 Joined: 18 Jun 2008   | Heard on the round-abouts that Bale wouldn't do a Robin film. Anyway, I say this a lot for potential Batman villains and most of those who read the books would agree. Hush. Although I love the idea of Clayface. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 172 Joined: 7 Jun 2008  | Bane would be perfect. I know people are afraid of using characters from the Michael Keaton - Val Kilmer - George Clooney series, but screw that, Nolan isn't. It should be Bane and Black Mask vs Batman. And it shouldn't be Robin, it should Batgirl. Introduce Barbara Gordon. It could work very easily, I think, just have her come back from college or university or whatever, and be inspired by Batman and her Father. Bane should definitely break the Bat, which forces him to rely on Batgirl, overcoming any earlier opposition to her aid (and teaching him that Batman can't always work alone, something already known to the comics). Also, it sets up nicely a fourth film, in which you could introduce Harley Quinn and the Joker again (now given a suitable waiting period following Ledger's death for a new actor to play him) which is one of the most twisted relationships in comics, so that they could cripple Barbara Gordon. You can't do Clayface for the Third Batman movie. Otherwise you'll draw comparisons to Spiderman 3 and Sandman. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 1 Joined: 22 Jul 2008 |
Bane would be a good choice. It would be nice to see Bane portrayed more accurately than he was in the god awful Batman & Robin film. I don't think Nolan would use Clayface for 2 reasons: 1. I'm not confident he could carry the film. 2. Nolan doesn't appear the type to rely on CG too often, and with Clayface it would require a lot. Nolan seems to go for the psychological villains. In the regard I do think Scarface and the Dummy or the Mad Hatter is feasible as well. I'd love to see Freeze done properly too, but I doubt Nolan will take that road. As for who could play Bane.....well anyone big and bulky could pull it off. The question is who could do it well. I do think Nolan painted himself into a corner with this film. Even if the third film is great, I still have this nagging suspicion that I will walk out thinking "Good film, but it's no Dark Knight" Still if he can pull off the third significantly better than his predecessors did with Spiderman 3 or Xmen 3, I will be happy. |
Paperboy  Posts: 17 Joined: 22 Jul 2008  |
No, not the band Fallout Boy, but in "The Simpsons" the hero Radioactive Man has a sidekick named Fallout Boy who has that slogan. There's an episode where they film the Radioactive Man film in Springfield and Milhouse gets cast as Fallout Boy - and now I feel old since I remember when the show was actually good. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 150 Joined: 3 Apr 2008 |
True, but villains and heroes alike in the comic universe have this thing about staying dead. :) |
Paperboy Posts: 17 Joined: 22 Jul 2008 |
True indeed, and I do give Nolan more room to succeed here. I consider "The Dark Knight" the best film of the year, best comic book movie ever and a contender for my favorite movie ever, but there's too many *really* egregious examples to fall back on. I approach any sequel with cautious dread. |
Muckraker  Posts: 249 Joined: 20 Jul 2008 | You dont actually see Two Face buried...so its still up to debate. I personally think he's dead and that the funeral mass thing they held was to just clear his name and to make sure people dont know how he died. Only how he lived. Ya know, to keep the hope in Gotham alive. I was really dissapointed when he "died" but oh well. Maybe he still lives =D |
Muckraker  Posts: 270 Joined: 30 Jun 2008   |
OOOHHHH! I remeber that now! your right. Huh. Well I still hate robin, little punk lol. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 594 Joined: 8 May 2008  | Putting in Bane breaking Batmans back, now that would be epic:D |
Beat Writer  Posts: 146 Joined: 3 Jun 2008 | I'd like to see the riddler. They might even get Jim Carrey for the role again. But I think no matter what Nolan does he'll deliver another great movie. I mean, look at his movies so far: Following, Memento, Batman and the Prestige. Great director. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1756 Joined: 7 Feb 2008  | Batgirl might work, Batman needs something he can care about again to humanize him. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 64 Joined: 12 Mar 2008 | If they're going to keep up the style they've been going with, the Riddler could really be an asset to them. Re-vamped, made much darker so as to really screw with Batman's head; What's worse than a villain than launches an all out attack on the mind of the Hero. Joker proved this. I think if they're to pull it off Hugo Weaving could make an excellent Riddler, particularly considering his performance in V for Vendetta and as Agent Smith. He just has that air of dark intelligence to him. That being said, Batman still needs someont to show off his funky kung-fu on. So a second villain, more intent on beating Batman to a pulp owuld be advisable. Hush and the Riddler have history together and could make a good pair. Or they could go for The Reaper, or Mr Freeze or something. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 7 Joined: 18 Jun 2008 | Is it possible the next big villain will be batman himself? |
Anonymous Source Posts: 1 Joined: 22 Jul 2008 | I think there's a possibility that there won't be a third movie. just because they made a second one, doesn't mean there will be a third. nolan isn't sure, and i'm sure he won't get on board unless the story is amazing. bale has said many times that he won't do it unless nolan is involved. i know they're under contract for 3, but that's no guarantee of anything. personally, i think the riddler can be a nasty, nasty villan, if you've read some of the darker graphic novels he can be quite cagey. plus, that accountant SPOILERS who figured out batman's ID in the movie was named Mr Reese (ie Mysteries)... either that was a nod, or they're setting something up. also, there's no guarantee that Ra's is dead, nor is there a guarantee that TF is either. SPOILERS just my two cents. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 216 Joined: 25 Mar 2008 | I say bring out one of the super creepy minor Batman villians like Jane Doe. Jane Doe watches your behaviour and speech pattern and then when the time is right she skins you, wears it like a wet suit and takes over your life. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 547 Joined: 6 Apr 2008 |
Wasn't he just a parody on the Simpsons? I thought they were making fun of that old Batman series. Anyhoo...what's all this about villians being minor and not worthy of inclusion? *shrug* I mean, most of the choices listed so far have nearly all got good face time in the various Batman related media you can think off, and not really minor in any sense. That said...if there's to be a third film, it -would- probably be a better known face... Bane - Is actually quite an intelligent villian on-top of his strength, I hate the way he was dumbed down in that god awful Batman & Robin. And what they did to Mr.Freeze too! Clayface...well, I've only ever seen the Batman: The Animated Series version of him, which I believe is significantly different than the comic book portrayals of Clayface. i.e. An actor disfigured in an accident, and mutated by an experimental restorative cream. That...and Ron Perlman did his voice :3 Still, plenty of room for drama there. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 187 Joined: 7 Feb 2008 |
Jesus Christ, that would probably be dark enough. It would probably screw with capturing the prepubescent market, but that would be a good thing for hardcore fans. In my opinion, there is no clarification the two-face is dead, plus the manky side looked awsome, so I believe if they make a 3rd, he'll make an appearance. Other than that, Riddler or Bane FTW. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 64 Joined: 12 Mar 2008 | ***Spoiler Warning*** ok i'm fairly sure that Ra's is dead, i was watching that scene just thinking 'he could survive that, he could survive that' that was until the dam thing blew up all over the place. Sure he is a ninja though so he might have slipped out a window...lol. As for Two Face, i'm not convinced he is dead. i've seen it twice and he definately breathes at least once laying on the ground. Maybe they've just locked him up and for the sake of his reputation claimed he died. Which would be an interesting predicament if he was broken free in the future and hell, maybe Batman doesnt even know about it, cause he did take off in a hurry after the fall. ***Spoiler Warning*** My money's certainly on the Riddler (once more, would love Hugo Weaving in that role), as well as someone more physical like maybe Hush, the two of them do have history together. |
Beat Writer Posts: 216 Joined: 25 Mar 2008 | I believe everyone should read "Arkham Asylum: Living Hell" and then have this discussion, there are so many minor charcters who so deserve screen time. So many characters that you can have make amazing cameos but no one ever sees them because they were not in the movies or cartoons. P.S. We need more Harley Quinn |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1756 Joined: 7 Feb 2008 | The problem with the following villains... Clayface Is that they're all "too comic booky" and wouldn't fit the now much more realistic and serious standard set by The Dark Knight. They can't brink back Ra's because after doing a "riveting crime drama that was acclaimed for its lack of comic book stupidity" they would never DARE have another super weapon style plot. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 547 Joined: 6 Apr 2008 |
Humm...well, that's why they need to 'update' them no? The nuclear powered man of yesteryear is now the genetically warped fiend or nanomonster of today? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3460 Joined: 13 Feb 2008   |
Seconded. @Pedrosteckecilo Nonsense. You just need a real world analogy. Clayface : Ignore the shapeshifting and concentrate on the mimicry; but add in the pain of losing his memories. In fact...all four human ones could have easily been I-IV (See what I did there :)) if codename V was number 5. Manbat could just be Batman's nightmare. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1756 Joined: 7 Feb 2008 | Good reworks Root... I don't think they'll do Freeze or Ivy, too many bad memories of Batman&Robin. But I'm now really intruigued at the prospect of a gritty/realistic Clayface with Mimcry abilities, if paired with another good villain that'd be pretty awesome. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 64 Joined: 12 Mar 2008 | Be nice, if they do keep with the 'completely, to the degree of boringness, scientificly viable villains'. To give us Riddler and Hush, or replace Hush with Clayface, Bane, or someone like that if Nolan's feeling more adventurous |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3460 Joined: 13 Feb 2008 | INT. The Superbowl Stadium. Thousands of people cheering. The Superbowl is underway. Cut to INT. Dressing Room CLAYFACE sits and looks in the miror. Reflected back at him is the tired look of a man haunted by his memories. SCOOTER(O.S.) : Ten minutes, Mr. Beckham! CLAYFACE looks up at the door, sighs and looks back at the mirror. On the bench next to him is a newspaper, the headlines read "WAYNE INDUSTRIES PROVE LINK TO CANCER IN MAJOR PHARMACEUTICAL PRODUCTS." CLAYFACE : Damn them. He smashes his fist onto the paper. As he lifts it off, little lumps of flesh remain on the paper. CLAYFACE : Why are they trying to ruin my life? He reaches over for a hypodermic needle. There's a small amount of green liquid inside. CLAYFACE : Keep calm now. Only five shots left. Taking out a rubber tube, he wraps it around his arm and taps his wrist with his fingers. CLOSE UP on his face. First the agony, then the ecstasy and then his face starts to mould. Slowly, as if trying on a new glove, but eventually his face transforms to Beckham's. The new Beckham looks into the mirror again. CLAYFACE(mimicking Beckhams accent) : I'm very pleased to be here at ... He looks mock-confused for a moment, and then his face drops into serious confusion. CLAYFACE(normal accent) : at... Looking round, we follow his eyes as they pan across the room. Hundreds of photos stare back at him, all with different faces. CLAYFACE(panicking) : at...at... Under his view, we see all the faces melting slowly. He quivers, almost literally, but then... CLAYFACE(shouts) : THE SUPERBOWL! SCOOTER (O.S.) : Are you alright in there Sir? CLAYFACE looks at the door and squints as if in pain. CLAYFACE(Beckham's accent again) : Fine. Tell Victoria I'll be out in a moment. He walks back to the mirror and we focus on the lumps of flesh slowly sinking into the picture of Bruce Wayne. CLAYFACE(normal voice) : Next time, Mr. Wayne. I'll be you. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 109 Joined: 11 Apr 2008 | One possible route being ignored is to extend the Ra's al Ghul storyline. He had two daughters, Nyssa and Talia, that were involved in his organization. Talia even had a relationship with Wayne in the comics that resulted in a son. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 398 Joined: 8 Oct 2007  | Who said it had to be an original villain? Perhaps they have someone new in mind... ^_^ |
Paperboy Posts: 17 Joined: 22 Jul 2008 | http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-batmanvillains-2008-pg,0,1485774.photogallery?1 Here's a solid article talking about possibilities, with a couple interesting ones. I like the thought of Black Mask as a versus to Batman, and a more deranged Riddler in the vein of Cillian Murphy's Scarecrow sounds better the more I think of it, especially with David Tennant in the role. Plus, here's a quote of his from an old comic: "You don't understand. .. I really didn't want to leave you any clues. I really planned never to go back to Arkham Asylum. But I left you a clue anyway. So I... I have to go back there. Because I might need help. I... I might actually be crazy." I like the idea of a villain with little control but who can't help it, as a counter to the Joker who has no control and doesn't want any. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1224 Joined: 18 Sep 2007 |
I used the same reasoning to conclude that Selina Kyle would be perfect... despite the Catwoman flick that missed the litter tray and stank up the place, the Wayne/Kyle : Batman/Catwoman symmetry would be right down Nolan's alley. Besides, I think it's too early in the series yet for Batgirl unless the storyline clock winds a long way forward between TDK and its sequel. -- Steve |
Paperboy  Posts: 33 Joined: 17 Jun 2008 | If I were Nolan i would pick bane because he can outwit batman and he si stronger and that would make an interesting movie or black mask , i don't know anything about him but i like the name :D |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 667 Joined: 16 Apr 2008 | The thing I like about the Batman franchise is it's not just doing the whole Dragon Ball Z thing where it's one super-powered guy versus an even stronger super-powered guy, and the hero has to become stronger to overpower the even stronger super-powered guy. Once the even stronger super-powered guy is defeated, he makes way for a yet even more powerful super-powered guy. No, Batman is everyone outwitting each other. The only actual "super" villains are Freeze and Ivy, and maybe a couple other guys. For the most part though, it' |
Superman 2, X-men 2, Spiderman 2 all were better than the first one. Not saying that the third one will be bad, there is always a chance it could be good. Also consider that the rule of trilogy's applies to just almost any trilogy out there (except Return of the King). So unless Nolan pulls a Peter Jackson and makes the third movie holy shit good, it will probably go the way that Aliens 3 did, and we don't want any franchise to go the way aliens 3 did...
EDIT: Also since people either didn't pay attention or haven't seen the movie I am just going to say it SPOILERs be damned two face dies in dark knight SPOILERS OVER.