So. Being a newb to the boards, I though I'd just throw out one of those random question that enter in my head from time to time. Just to get a feel for this place. As to where the question came from, I plead the fifth (of bourbon).

P.S. I hope I'm not offending anyone with this question. So I'd just like to let it be know...my lawyer's on retainer.

People are people regardless. I am neither 'goth' or 'emo' btw.

I've never had to deal with either group, irl, thankfully.

But internet wise? Emos.

Very true. I actually don't really have anything against the people who identify with those groups. Just their music!

Ah, yes the music from both groups does leave a bad taste in my mouth, but so long as they don't FORCE me to listen to it, I think to each their own.

OK, first thing. The vote goes to Goths. The amount of music thought to be metal, though actually emo, completely pisses me off. Next, your throat should be slit, stomach gashed, and body burned for even thinking of starting a thread like this. OK, emo's are annoying. We get it. Start a thread asking "do you think emos are annoying" or something of the sorts, but nothing comparing a goth to an emo without the latter being mutilated and burned. I am not goth, but I do side with them. And as for the one who said "There's a difference!?!", you should learn some basic facts about them before ever comparing goths to emos.
Now that my rant is done, you have full right to post something like this on an internet board, just make wiser decisions before pissing off not just one, but two groups of people (especially since one of them would probably have your name on a disfavorable list during their next ritual if they see this, considering that one of them is a satanist or a pagan). (And for those without this knowledge, there is a huge difference).

Psychochef:
Very true. I actually don't really have anything against the people who identify with those groups. Just their music!

With me it's the exact opposite. I don't mind the music, but christ - do you really have to wear a fucking uniform to show you like the music? What's the point?
None of the songs that can be either labeled goth or emo (or 'screamo', 'psytrance', 'industrial', 'cybergoth', 'post-punk' or whatever those dickheads come up with now) really obligates you to dress like an idiot and get your face studded with iron. Yet people do anyway! It baffles me.

If I were to choose though, I'd say emo annoys me more. Some goths do actually look like works of art - not particularly my taste, but you have to admire the craftsmanship. All emofags do is wear clothes their grandfather wore in an effort to be meta-cool for some obscure reason.

vampyricvoid:

Now that my rant is done, you have full right to post something like this on an internet board, just make wiser decisions before pissing off not just one, but two groups of people (especially since one of them would probably have your name on a disfavorable list during their next ritual if they see this, considering that one of them is a satanist or a pagan). (And for those without this knowledge, there is a huge difference).

Too late. I'm already under sever horrible curses that shall not be named.

Edit: And by the way. Have you noticed that so far the conversation is proving to be rather insightful. Maybe this poll is my backhanded way of collectively analyzing why we feel the way we do about those groups. And maybe I'm wiser than you give me credit for. ;)

I think this thread is going to be locked at some point, someone's gonna get offended I can tell. The crunch of it is that people have different opinions on what they like, and others will always disagree with them. It won't be long before a flamewar starts on this thread I'm sure.

I'm going home and then I'm going to the pub, bye!

Also, as an add-on:
I HATE EMO MUSIC (it is talentless and makes me regret even mentioning that it is music.)
Metal is one of the most artistic forms of music today, especially in the genres of progressive and power metal. If you doubt me, just listen to The Odyssey by Symphony X or the CD Scenes from a Memory by Dream Theater. I don't find Black or Death Metal very good, although if combined with other genres, may be good (Epica's combination of Progressive and Death Metals and Dimmu Borgir's combination of Symphonic and Black Metal).

Look, I don't believe in Satanism and only believe in some concepts of Paganism, but I can almost guarantee you that it is impossible for you to be cursed by one of them.

Sarcasm.

I still don't understand the negative aspects of them towards culture: there's no real lure to them, no one asks to convert to those cliques that I'm aware of.
Additionally, they're typically reclusive, so are they really detrimental if they leave us alone?

Spacelord:

None of the songs that can be either labeled goth or emo

Actually, there is a misconception in this sentence. Although there is a genre of music known as emo (or emo rock, screamo, etc.), there is no real music called goth. The genre "gothic" is actually hundreds of years old and refers to the art style experienced in many medieval churches. Goths today listen to most types of metal, although generally listen to Black Metal.

Edit: I give it to you, this conversation does seem to be getting a bit insightful. I congratulate you on opening a topic in which one can understand many misconceptions of today's culture.

Edit: Very sorry, Psychochef, about the quote thing. I just changed it to the appropriate person. I'm new to the quoting system here, so it ended up saying that you quoted it instead of Spacelord

Anarchemitis:
I still don't understand the negative aspects of them towards culture: there's no real lure to them, no one asks to convert to those cliques that I'm aware of.
Additionally, they're typically reclusive, so are they really detrimental if they leave us alone?

Goths? Yes, they are reclusive. Emos, on the other hand, usually feel like they have to come and tell me all their problems. Since whining is the definition of their subculture (AFAIK), I've always assumed they do that everybody. So, yeah, Emos are more annoying.

I've never met a whiny emo kid. I've got no problem with anyone. And yeah, I don't get why they have to dress ridiculous, either. I love both metal and 'emo' music, yet I dress in prep clothes. Some of my friends dress scene, emo, goth, etc and yet I still hang out with them and actually look out of place in that group. But we're all people. Get over it.

Weird alternative high-school-kid identity groups aren't really any more annoying than mainstream high-school-kid identity groups.

-- Alex

Alex_P:
Weird alternative high-school-kid identity groups aren't really any more annoying than mainstream high-school-kid identity groups.

-- Alex

Are you talking shit? :D

Screw 'em all... the only difference I can find between goths and emos is goths want to kill everyone around them, emos just want to kill themselves... or they just want to get attention.
You know, if we stuck them all in a room together...

its simple. goths are anti-socials who prefer to be locked inside. were as emo's have huge gatherings were they all get together and cry. and as we all know crying makes a droning sound which gets quite annouying were as their goth counter parts just stay at home and listen to cradle of filth.

@ vampiricvoid: Quite alright. To err is human.

@ Alex P.: How much would it cost to get that quote framed? I'd like it to be about 8 sq.ft. Perfect for hanging from walls or the front of schools.

Personally, I find neither group in RL annoying. They're usually nice people.
The internet varieties of either however are extremely annoying, but that's probably the effect of the internet in that it gets the worst out of anybody.

to me, both are groups of people founded on the idea of individuality or rebellion from the mass opinion.

allow me to break that down

That superstud Ultrajoe:
groups of people founded on the idea of individuality

allow me to highlight this further.

That Alphamale superstud Ultrajoe:
Groups... Individuality

Thats like holding a protest against euthanasia from inside a gas chamber you rented for the occasion. And not all of the music is appalling, only that which tries to sell itself through the Emo or Goth name and not the quality of the music... of which there is much.

These sorts of "hate threads" never really turn out to be smiles and rainbows. By that, I mean "These sort of threads attract people who are trying to be funny at the expense of someone's desire to be part of a counter-culture." That's not really the community we want to foster here. There are all ages and kinds of people here. Keep that in mind

I've said my piece; you're all precious snow flakes. Now go talk about the song you want them to play at your funeral.