Phoenix Arrow:

Random argument man:
There's one thing I don't like about it, people who take him a little too seriously. There is a small group in his fanclub who are trolls. Yes, they use Yahtzee's logic to troll about a game.

A few week's ago, I made a thread about the "Me too" syndrome. (I don't remember, if it was PurpleRain who brought the argument). How many people start talking about immersion after the Zero Punctuation: Oblivion? How many times, we saw people hating JRPG after the Zero Punctuation: The world ends with you?

I think fans, takes him too seriously.

Edit: Yay, I'm a press junketeer?

So that's why you were ranting to me about how good it is for the last month?

I did? Can I have a link please?

Funny thing is he always says pretty similar things to what i think about games although he is more witty and i dont voice my opinion and would need time to breathe neway

I stopped taking the little bit of advice from his reviews the second he reviewed soul calibur, i don't have the exact quote, but he said something about Fighting Games becoming completely unenjoyable, and that is just down right stupidity. Some of the most beloved and favoured games of the past are fighting games. I agreed about the storyline being stupid, but who the hell plays a fighting game for the story?

I have agreed with him and admire the fact that he doesn't let others, or more "powerful" reviewers suade his judgement, if he dislikes the game, he has the balls to say so, and for that I love his reviews.

Im guessing the first 50 ppl who respond to his vids are ppl who have actually played the game he was review, and found the same flaws/diamonds that he did.

If I were to take a crack at this, I would have to bring up one word: Conformity.
Yahtzee is in a position where his opinion can be voiced with confidence to hundreds. Humans are tyically obedient, conforming beings. You'll notice at the end of Yahtzee's 'Eve:Online' review that he says 'He is the preacher and you are the choir' or something like that. Not saying that I know for sure, but I'm assuming this is partly Yahtzee's trademark dry humour way of saying that the majority of his viewers always agree. He rarely put's his opinions across as fact though, and always reminds us of this. To be honest, I found his Condemned 2 review to be mostly wrong, but that's what he'd want, he doesn't want a herd of sheep.

Random argument man:

Phoenix Arrow:

Random argument man:
There's one thing I don't like about it, people who take him a little too seriously. There is a small group in his fanclub who are trolls. Yes, they use Yahtzee's logic to troll about a game.

A few week's ago, I made a thread about the "Me too" syndrome. (I don't remember, if it was PurpleRain who brought the argument). How many people start talking about immersion after the Zero Punctuation: Oblivion? How many times, we saw people hating JRPG after the Zero Punctuation: The world ends with you?

I think fans, takes him too seriously.

Edit: Yay, I'm a press junketeer?

So that's why you were ranting to me about how good it is for the last month?

I did? Can I have a link please?

Oh sorry, I do this. I write in little scenarios as they come out of my head. I didn't mean you but the people that I know that were telling me how overrated it was after seeing his review. Should've made this clearer tbh.

Rogthgar:
Im guessing the first 50 ppl who respond to his vids are ppl who have actually played the game he was review, and found the same flaws/diamonds that he did.

youd think so but then some of them post less than a minute after the video gets put up so they agree with what he says without watching his video.

adafuns:

Rogthgar:
Im guessing the first 50 ppl who respond to his vids are ppl who have actually played the game he was review, and found the same flaws/diamonds that he did.

youd think so but then some of them post less than a minute after the video gets put up so they agree with what he says without watching his video.

Really, they just want the attention of posting first. And for some reason the ban that follows.

I typically agree to what he says, but he fucked up when reviewing MGS4.

Pie:
hell is flipping.

Hell be flippin'? Well let's get down to dancing then!

Honestly the best thing to do is just ignore the ZP comments threads completely. But I do have a tendency to discount someone's opinion if they use terminology derived straight from one of his reviews, or have a ZP avatar, unless what they have to say is actually rather thought provoking (but it usually isn't)

Edit: For example, I haven't even bothered to read the post directly below me, I'm sure it's quite possible they havn't said anything wrong, but I'm not going to bother checking

You are definitly right, it's just the way people are. They say the like something because someone else says something, olmost as at school where if some popular person says they like said band some person desperatly trying to look cool/ get friends will say that they like said band too, it society you see it in the media with the way the use celbrities to advertise products and merchandise, they don't use average people as much because then you won't have as much of the urge to be like THEM. It sucks but it's true but at least there still are people who hate the major medias and therefore ignore them.

Sure, the Zero Punctuation guy makes good points now and again, but if you think the goal is anything but a chuckle you're not watching it right.

Its like how people say the Daily Show is their one source for news as though it's a point of pride. It isn't. It's a comedy show. They go for the laughs, and any point they make needs to be in service of that.

If you take them seriously you'll be disappointed, because they will always be restrained from voicing their opinion in the service of what's funny. He even says as such in some review or another, saying people don't like him when he's nice so he'll have to rush through the good bits in passing.

Sorry about the double post but..

They were talking about the immersion because of his criticizing of Oblivion? Wow, the worst part is if they all agree without playing the game (i beat all the main quests and much other stuff) they would know how Oblivion is immersive after a while... It actually gave the urge to steal beacuse of how the awesome sneaking was. Personally I find that not all of Yahtzee's criticisms are correct, the people who just follow Yahtzee's every move like internet creepers and the agree in under 20 syllables just need to get a grip on reality and a friend.

Edit: WTF? this was supposed to quote the thing the guy said about everyone talking about immersion after his review of Oblivion.

Yahtzee is GOD!

I take all reviews as advice, not as fact.

What one man, even Yahtzee, may hate, another may like. And vice versa.

Which is why I usually still buy games that have crap reviews, because I take them as advice, not use them as my sole decision of game purchasing!!

Pandy:

Pie:
the first 50 odd comments on it are just "Yeah, i totally agree." or sometimes "I FULLY said that exact same thing, i fucking win." and to be honest, it bugs me a little.
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If you all share the same opinion, then why the bloody hell do you have to tell everyone about it.

Have you not been on the internet before? Was this your first day?

I bet you're the kind of person that would go to a Star Trek convention dressed as Han Solo.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the internet is about two things:
1) Porn
2) More porn.
People break up the monotony of the porn by making pointless threads in forums, like this thread in this forum, and then other people break up the monotony of the porn by agreeing or disagreeing with the original poster.

Welcome to the internet. Next time, just click on the 'I am over 18' button.

You forgot the +1 postcount whoring. It's something low-bandwidth to do while downloading more porn.

I'm seeing a lot of references to "right" and "wrong" here, which is quite frankly disappointing. In every Zero Punctuation video, one Mr. Benjamin Croshaw EXPRESSES HIS OPINIONS about a particular game (or facet of the gaming community). His opinions are no more right or wrong than mine, yours or that guy's over there. Yeah, him, the one with the pretzel in his nose. And I have no doubt that Yahtzee is laughing to himself at all of the "yes-men" who do nothing but type "zomg u r so rite, yatzee", as they are parroting the mindless fanboyism that he despises, only in a different direction.

Myself, I primarily watch the ZP reviews for the humor value. However, I do lend them a small amount of weight in my decisions on buying games I don't yet have (unless, of course, I avoid those videos to keep from seeing spoilers), as Yahtzee's opinion seems to run mostly parallel to mine as far as games are concerned- except, of course, for a handful of MMORPGs. And if I disagree with him, I'm not shy about saying so.

Seriously, I thought that the point of Internet forums were to express our opinions- not just say things that YOU think are pertinent (and here I use the generic "you", not calling out anyone specific, so keep your pants on, Adrian).

I agree with imitation. What most people seem to be ignoring is that Yahtzee does not actually 'review' games. His first goal is to entertain and he does that in a very particular way. I'd wager that he actually feels relatively ambivalent towards the majority of the games he claims to hate.

Plus anyone who takes a single opinion as their own without doing any more research is an idiot.

The Rogue Wolf:
not calling out anyone specific, so keep your pants on, Adrian.

And you were doing so well...

I don't blindly agree with him, partly due to never having played most of the games he reviews. i disagreed with his EVE review, since the 14 day trial I played was lots of fun (possibly due to the fact my friend and I started it together, and we have a friend who is an established player who we teamed up with. Had a nice little mining operation going. Our friend mined, my other friend hauled, and I was security- blasting pirates to bits with railguns and missiles is terrific fun.)

Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't. I usually have a good laugh along the way. Although his rants on how video games are art is starting to annoy me. I really don't think that he needs other people's opinions to support his claim.

I agree with him for a lot of things, for example: I certain games are overrated (i.e. halo 3 and oblivion), I like games that are "there's an army of evil dudes, here are some bitchin weapons, GO", Portal is the tits. But I do disagree with him for a lot of things, some things are: multiplayer is cool, I actually like some of the games he hates.

In the end it is just entertainment, I feel he puts across good points in a some what funny way but it is his own opinion and doesn't generally affect my experiences with such games, Halo 3 wasn't run of the mill, its multiplay features with its shoot and dash game play was refreshing to some of the complicted duck and cover games that took the excitement out of combat, halo is all about the wanting to fight. But enough about halo. Yahtzee is hits on many flaws of games but tends to exaggurate it. I would ask him to carry on though, I laugh at the majority of them ^^

Simply put, there are things that he says that I "fully" agree with and some that are so stupid it makes me want to shot blood out of my eyes. It depends on what you like and what you think, and how much of a fanboy you are.

I've always hated poorly used Quick-Time events, and for him to bring it up when no one else did made me jump for joy, but I think the milks the artsy thing and his disdain of modern FPSs gets old really fast.

The cool thing about him is that even when he's flaming something I really like, its usually very funny and insightful...or I ignore that statement all together. If you really like something, then why should you care what Yathzee or anyone else thinks.

My advice, just ignore them. Half of them are bleating sheep/brown nosers, and the other half just want to flame the poor man.

I love ZP and I love that it brought me to the Escapist, and hope ZP success untill it starts to really suck.

I agree, but with the caveat that the people most eager to respond and agree to such reviews are people who align themselves with the viewpoints and judgments of Yahtzee. Of course you'll see lists and lists of people who "follow mindlessly" or people who "preach to the choir," but that's to be expected in that form of media. Ask yourself, if someone disagrees or finds the reviews "overly subjective," would they really bother to take the time to respond, let alone spend more than a fleeting moment dwelling upon the beliefs and diatribes of the fan-base? More importantly, who are we to judge them and their opinions?

With that said, I often find myself in agreement with Yahtzee's assessment of the games that are currently out there. Is that due to the fact that I'm getting older, and often find myself asking the question; why the hell am I wasting time playing video-games when there are other, better things out there to spend time on? Or could it be the fact that I just don't find games that interesting anymore, and anyone who lambastes them for their mistakes and follies further cements my feeling that I SHOULD be doing other, and better things? Whatever the case may be, I still look forward to Yahtzee's weekly addition...oh, and lay off of the sheep...sheep don't know they're sheep...

to degrees. soem thigns he says simply dont match my opinion of the games. But then again every person only has an opinion, so were all wrong in the end.

I personly jsut liek to watch him for kicks and giggles.

Call me crazy, but I think all the attention he got since he moved to The Escapist has gone to his head. I mean, besides his youtube reviews, I can't remember the last time I really actually laughed at one of his reviews. They've just gotten really... boring now. I also don't really find myself agreeing with him that much, especially since he somehow thinks that a three hour long puzzle game with no multi-player is one of the best game every made.

Yahtzee- Funny.

Sheeple- Sad.

I agree with him most of the time, but I had those thought going in and questioned them after.

I agree with Yahtzee on games such as JRPGs and MMORPGs. While I never disagree about MMORPGs, I still enjoy JRPGs despite his comments on them. The World Ends With You review brought up everything I hate about JRPGs. And yet I'm still over here replaying ToS and Lunar.

I do watch Yahtzee for more than the comedy aspect, unlike a lot of posters I see here. I don't have a lot of money for games, so I have a few different reviewers who have similar tastes or dislikes as I do and base my decisions off of them. But Yahtzee can be wrong. Even if it was unsophisticated, I really enjoyed Halo 3. Yeah, BioShock was basically a System Shock 2 palette swap, but I actually enjoyed it more than Deus Ex (one of the "more complex FPS-RPGs" he showed at the end). The Metal Gear Solid series maybe does need an editor, but who cares? It's the second best stealth game I've played. (The Sly Cooper series is the first. YEAH, I SAID IT.)

TL;DR Version: I respect Yahtzee's opinion and take it into account when renting/buying games, but he is wrong at times and his reviews are merely advice, albeit very amusing advice.

Pie:
If you all share the same opinion, then why the bloody hell do you have to tell everyone about it. Maybe i'm the only one that notices this sort of thing, but it's stupid. No one cares if you share the same opinion as him, by voicing you share his opinion, you aren't being cool and people won't like you, you're just a tool.

This is something I noticed eons ago. Fact is most of the people posting on the ZP feature threads are only here for ZP, and for them being the first to post "haha yeah" is a major achievement. Further is the belief that Croshaw is eagerly reading the forums and takes note of the first half dozen posters so that when you eventually meet him at the super video game achievement awards he will instantly recognize you and be your best friend. That may be harsh, but when posts started appearing in less time than the movie length, it gave that away.

Yahzee's fans are fans and like any other fan base, some of them put the ass kissery in front of the common sense and critical analysis. Venture away from the ZP feature threads though and you start seeing a much different impression.

One of them warns you to be careful about starting ZP threads because the escapist is not the Yahzee fan club, these are not the ZP forums, and a good number of us don't like being put on that level. Not accusing you of this, but it happens enough to drive us all up the wall.

I share yahtzee's opinion on the PC games he's reviewed, because all the points he made are in fact 100% correct. I don't play console games so I can't comment, but I imagine its pretty much the same.

However, yahtzee raises issues with games, nitpickings if you will. He doesn't actually review them and judge whether they are worth playing, like professional review sites do. For example, Oblivion's outdoor areas. They are, in fact, all nearly the same. And the whole voice acting thing. And Bioshock's shallowness, and Spore's shallowness, etc. Those are all true. That doesn't mean the game itself is bad, or not GOTY material. It just points out things that are WRONG, which if were right, would make the game better.

Yes, he is the only on-line game reviewer anyone can really trust with an honest opinion. End of story.

Remember, this is the Escapist. Lots of people here will share man of the same views.

I agree with so many of his points. I don't take him seriously as a reviewer because most of the time, he'll only pick at the negative aspects.

By the way, why didn't anyone complain about quicktime events and vehicles until he did?

Hell no I don't agree with him all the time - he's funny, entertaining and sometimes insightful, but that doesn't mean he has the right or the power to declare stuff "fun" or "not fun". Sometimes he likes and hates the same things I like or hate. Sometimes he doesn't and I disagree with him. I liked Silent Hill 2, he liked Silent Hill 2. I really, really like Final Fantasy Games and he doesn't. He didn't like Super Smash Brothers, I found it okay (not necessarily great, but okay). He didn't get or like Mass Effect that much, I loved it.

ZP is about his taste and his view - and it's funny. He's got great comedic talent, and sometimes he can make a good point against a game I like. For instance, in JRPG's, he made the point that the player never has much control in the story line, which is why he doesn't like them much. That's a valid point, and I can understand why he doesn't like them, but I play JRPG's FOR the storyline (even if it's the same type of story over and over again). He liked Killer 7, and while I definitely concede that it had good atmosphere and was a fresh change from other games, I couldn't STAND playing it.

To agree with Yahtzee because he's funny is silly. Just because you like a comedian doesn't mean you have to agree with everything he says. On his advice, I got No More Heroes, and while I found it was pretty good, but nowhere near as good as he said it was.

To agree with Yahtzee, merely because he's Yahtzee is the same thing with agreeing to anything a celebrity says just because they're a celebrity. Reviews should be read, but you really should say - does the reviewer share the same taste as me? Because that's what really counts. Yahtzee, as it turns out, does not always share my tastes, and that's just from the fact that we're two different people.

Yahtzee is entitled to hate/love the games he hates/loves, for the reasons he lists. But he is not me. Watch it for his take on things. But he's not the smartest or the most tasteful man in the world. Quite often, I disagree with him quite a bit. And if you watch his videos, he also says that you don't need his personal approval to enjoy a game - if you did, "why don't you turn over so he can stamp on the other side of your face" is how he would put it.

And Yes - I FREAKING LOVED "THE WORLD ENDS WITH YOU".

(On a side note - I find his take on game mechanics to be more informative - for example, I love it when he slams a particular "aspect" of a game, like Quick Time Events, which I don't find horrible, but definitely find annoying in some cases).