Ivoryagent:
Don't be pussies.

At least your fathers never sent you down to earth to pay for the fucking sins of mankind.

I lol'd....

Past a certain age even light smacks become counter-productive. Or that could have just been me.

I learned to block. It caused some tense moments.

The_root_of_all_evil:

Cheeze_Pavilion:

Xhumed:

The_root_of_all_evil:

To those that don't agree with smacking, how would you 'inform' a 2 year old about not pulling that boiling kettle down?

I don't think you need to smack a child to stop them pulling a boiling kettle down, you'd be suprised what a firm tone can do. But really, you shouldn't leave a hazard like that within the reach of children anyway.

Exactly--how the hell did a parent let a two year old get within range of a boiling kettle?

I managed it quite easily. And a TV (destroyed), and six wine glasses (bitten through), a radio(short circuited) and a toaster(short circuited).

And before you say anything about my parents, take a moment's thought about my probable reaction.

They were forces of unnatural selection?

i think punishing your child is okey to a degree, i mean, abusing a child is just sick, but giving them a slap for doing something you've told them NOT to do multiple times is only a good thing, sure it'll hurt for a while, but they'll know that if they do it again, they'll get hurt again, so they wont do it again.

Khell_Sennet:

Compare child rearing to pet training. If a dog pees on the floor, you rub his nose in it. All the words in the world won't get the point across, it doesn't understand... But rubbing a dog's nose in its own mess DOES give the dog the idea that what it did was wrong. Not to start up a parallel argument on how to raise pets, but if a dog does something wrong you give it a light tap on the nose with a rolled up paper, or a thwack on the behind. It's accepted and normal training for such pets. Children aren't that much different.

Actually, I don't see The Dog Whisperer doing any of that. Really, isn't that an issue? That we inflict less pain on our dogs than on our children in raising them? Why is that necessary?

internutt:
A small smack was a very easy way for me to know not to do something again. So long as the parent is not savagely beating their child I believe parents have every right to discipline their child without having the government attacking them.

Ditto.

Another /agree.

(I had a huge rambling post, but it timed out, and I really cba to retype it, but yes, I'm all for smacking kids and anyone banging on my front door who I didn't invite.)

Cheese, I am starting to think that no matter what I say, no matter how true or untrue my point, you will argue against me on principal. I swear, I'm going to have to start a thread on how bad Hitler was just to see if you will argue against it.

ANYHOO.
There is only one way to solve this debate. For it we will need one anti-spanking male and female volunteer, and one pro-spanking female. We shall get the two volunteer ladies knocked up, raise a child in the manner we believe better, and see who's kid ends up the champion. As the fourth volunteer, I shall prove once and for all that spanking is not harmful if done properly and as a last-resort. We could also add a third test group of people who just beat the shit out of their kid, but we all know how that study turns out...

Khell_Sennet:
Cheese, I am starting to think that no matter what I say, no matter how true or untrue my point, you will argue against me on principal. I swear, I'm going to have to start a thread on how bad Hitler was just to see if you will argue against it.

I just think it's funny that you're the one always attacking the U.S. for being imperialistic and immoral while I'm the one who defends it, and when it comes to an issue like child rearing you are far more similar to traditionalists and conservatives and I'm the one with the bleeding liberal point of view.

There is only one way to solve this debate. For it we will need one anti-spanking male and female volunteer, and one pro-spanking female. We shall get the two volunteer ladies knocked up, raise a child in the manner we believe better, and see who's kid ends up the champion.

Or you know--we could just look at a place where the overwhelming majority of males and females are anti-physical discipline. Like I keep saying, if physical discipline is so necessary, why hasn't Sweden fallen apart by now?

As the fourth volunteer, I shall prove once and for all that spanking is not harmful if done properly and as a last-resort.

Granting that is both true and that you're not just a statistical outlier for the sake of argument, it still doesn't prove that it's *necessary*, only sufficient. Maybe it's not harmful, but it is uncomfortable. So if it's not necessary, why should children be uncomfortable?

I was never hit but I know what was wrong and what wasn't...well I did sooner or later. I have mild Asperges and it took a while for my parents to know about it but still I never got harmed...just loudly saying SMACK! got me crying my eyes out and soon I was punished by not being allowed out and having things taken from me...I'm a little spoiled but I'm not as bad as todays kids *shivers unhappily* God I hate mentioning today's kids...makes me sick knowing most of them are idiots who think everying always works for them.

Cheeze_Pavilion:

Khell_Sennet:

Compare child rearing to pet training. If a dog pees on the floor, you rub his nose in it. All the words in the world won't get the point across, it doesn't understand... But rubbing a dog's nose in its own mess DOES give the dog the idea that what it did was wrong. Not to start up a parallel argument on how to raise pets, but if a dog does something wrong you give it a light tap on the nose with a rolled up paper, or a thwack on the behind. It's accepted and normal training for such pets. Children aren't that much different.

Actually, I don't see The Dog Whisperer doing any of that. Really, isn't that an issue? That we inflict less pain on our dogs than on our children in raising them? Why is that necessary?

Nor does Victoria Stillwell, from "It's Me or The Dog." Its actually bad dog-training/rearing to do that. And those kids not being physically disciplined and being obnoxious brats, probably aren't being disciplined in ANY way, so you can't draw a conclusion from that.

I'm totally OK with parents smacking their children, as long as it's deserved.

Actually the more I go out and see the public in stores etc, the more I think it should be legal for parents to hit other people's kids too. Hell not just parents, either, if you have arms you should be allowed to take a swing at certain kids.

Sorry armless people, I don't advocate kicking children, I'm not some kind of loony.

I'm moderately impressed. Cheeze has said almost everything I wanted to, in a manner I agree with. That hardly ever happens.

When I finally have kids, I'm going to raise them right, like my parents raised me. Proof my parents raised me right... I'm educated, with a good job that pays me well. I have my own house and car, I pay my bills and am in no unreasonable debt. I don't rely on medication or drugs to get me through life, I don't even smoke or drink.

Now compared to my brother, who they spoiled rotten and never enforced the same rules on... He's a chain-smoking alcoholic who often blows his rent cheque on weed. He's in debt to the government for not paying income tax, hasn't kept a job for over 2 years, and has been in jail numerous times. Abusive towards his girlfriend, socially inept, and can't string four words together without one of them being "fuck".

He was rarely if ever punished as a child, I was punished for every slip up. Sure he had it easier, but I'm tremendously more satisfied with my life.

The reason that you turned out well - and, similarly, the reason that your brother didn't - is not because of a specific kind of punishment. It's because you faced punishment at all. You were given boundaries, and, if you crossed them, you were rebuked. The fact that the consequences were physical doesn't matter. You appear to be under the impression that pacifist parents cannot be strict.

I think if a child deserves to be smacked than the child has to know why it is being smacked. If it doesn't know why it's being smacked then the child will learn nothing apart from the fact that daddy/mommy is mean. This might make them ignore the parents even more and do more harm then good. Before a child can be smacked they need to know what is wrong and what is right. If you don't set this up before you start smacking then you have failed as a parent.

In my opinion a smack without the child knowing why is child abuse.