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Muckraker  Posts: 262 Joined: 11 Aug 2008     | |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 623 Joined: 8 May 2008    |
If they were a reasonable threat, yes. The fact that they're a woman makes no difference. I'd drop the bitch cold, standard. o.0 |
BANNED  Posts: 740 Joined: 19 Jun 2008     | I personally think murder is ok when I am not affected negatively by it. User was banned for: I'm Finished. (Permanent) |
The Man So Nice They Named Him Twice  Posts: 212 Joined: 4 Jan 2008  | If myself or someone else was to kill my Mom's abusive husband (whom she's thankfully now divorced), I think it would be perfectly acceptable. Also I think it's fine to kill anyone that has raped, murdered, committed capitol fraud, or grossly contaminated the environment. Although that's a conundrum, isn't it: If you've killed a murderer, you've now become a murderer. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 464 Joined: 24 Mar 2008     | As long as it is in Reno and just to watch him die, I think we could all relate. |
BANNED Posts: 740 Joined: 19 Jun 2008 |
Didn't your Mama ever tell you "Son, always be a good boy, Don't ever play with guns" User was banned for: I'm Finished. (Permanent) |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 59 Joined: 29 May 2008   | my job |
Paperboy Posts: 36 Joined: 4 Jun 2008 | Vengeance, self defense, defense of a life form or object I consider worth defending, people I consider scum (drug dealers, killers, etc) if I could get away with it. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 224 Joined: 31 Mar 2008 | Only if (a) the person is going to hurt you or someone else. (b) there is no other way (which is highly unlikely). (c) you can not simply wound/injure the attacker. If I had to choose between an innocent life mine, I would sacrifice mine because the death of body is always preferable to the death of self. A few other thoughts. IQ is determined by both the genome and the epigenome(sp?). If the parents have a low IQ, it could just be due to malnutrition or lack of proper nurturing. Also to those idiots who brag about wanting to kill a few billion people or just kill people randomly. Why don't you kill yourself? That would be a good way to help end overpopulation. Why do you think a random sampling of peoples lives is worth less than yours? Also, while lawyers have been blaming video games, they have never completely let someone off the hook for murder. I don't think they even got a suspended sentence. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 404 Joined: 4 Sep 2008 | The trouble with hypothetical situations is that they are bullshit: what if you could kill 1 person to save 100. How would you know? |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 98 Joined: 6 Sep 2008 |
HA! It is a serenity reference- I have out-nerded you. Bow before me, puny mortals. But seriously- if they are likely to harm or kill other human beings- like that guy the Police shot on the tube after July 7th a couple of years back (in London)- better to shoot him dead than have him blow up the whole station and kill hundreds- they had plenty of reasons to belive he was bombed, yes there was a cock-up, but I bet the American Police do it all the time- as they ALL carry guns and all. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1360 Joined: 7 Aug 2008     | to answer the title, I killed a man, but its cool, I'm OK. but seriously, if its self defense, or defending someone else it's fine, and if they are annoying so much you just want to kill them don't, beat them to within an inch of their lives. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 82 Joined: 14 Mar 2008  | If it's a time of the day... |
Muckraker  Posts: 248 Joined: 5 Jul 2008  | Human life is insignificant and petty. Would you smash an ant? Euthanize a dog? I personally wouldn't, so as all life is meaningless, it is also equal, and therefore I would not take life except under certain circumstances. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 704 Joined: 30 Jun 2008 | self defense, defense of loved ones, defense of property, spousal infidelity (RELAX, just the guy she cheated with, not her), defense of my sandwiches, exceptionally copious amounts of money, violation of my full legal warnings under pain of death, having a cross burning in front of my house, and um..... the fan favorite- completely rip-roaring shitstorm berzerk. |
Muckraker  Posts: 332 Joined: 23 Apr 2008 | I think that you should be able to go back in time and kill Hittler, thats a no brainer. But other, over looked, excuses for killing? Food? I never understood why people in life boats who commit canibalism always kill one guy. Why dosent everybody just offer up a limb? |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 704 Joined: 30 Jun 2008 | ah damn it i forgot Vengeance! *facepalm* and the whole hitler thing can be solved by shooting hitler's dad in the nuts (9000 internets to who knows that one) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1431 Joined: 9 Aug 2008   | I got a question. How many of you have been put into a fight or flight situation and chosen the fight instinct automatically? Just to test, I mean, you all say that you would kill someone if the situation came along, but do you have in yourself the capacity for that level of violence? Just wondering. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 564 Joined: 26 May 2008 |
Add 'people who cut ahead of you in lines at Gamestop after you've waited 20 frickin' minutes to buy Mercenaries 2, because some kid is screaming and bitching for his mom to buy him some game for the Game Boy that he probably won't even play,' and 'people who "pimp" their cars,' and you've got a list. |
Paperboy  Posts: 47 Joined: 7 May 2008 | To me this is a question of semantics. "Murder" is the act of wrongfully killing someone. It's by definition wrong. |
Beat Writer Posts: 164 Joined: 15 Dec 2007 | Murder implies premediated malice/intentional homocide so I don't think murder is justified. I think what the thread meant was manslaughter? In which case I'd say reasonable self-defense and provocation i.e. you don't shoot a 10 year old for kicking you but you can gut a homocidal rapist. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 67 Joined: 3 Jan 2008 |
True, but exercising moderation isn't really a priority if you're fighting for your life.
Good point. No, I don't think it'd make a difference to me at the time, a threat is a threat, and I'd do what's necessary to survive the encounter. Although I admit I'd probably be more disturbed about killing a woman than a man, if that's what it came to. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 52 Joined: 14 May 2008 | Self-defense of myself or others. Being in the military (or any armed unit, like SWAT) and killing an armed individual who could shoot you and has shown no signs of backing down is not murder. The intentional killing of civilians, P.O.W's, etc. is murder, of course. Accidental killing of civilians? 'tis a part of war. Also, it doesn't matter what the gender or age is: Someone wants to kill/injure you or someone else, and they get taken down. Of course, I change how I do the defense depending on the attacker. If they're unarmed, I fight unarmed. They have a knife or any melee weapon, I find a melee weapon or two to fight back. They have a gun? Since I don't own any guns of my own, nor would I have any on me IN PUBLIC, I'd throw shit at him/her, pull some fancy moves and hope to God I take the bastard down before he/she can fire. Although, Self-defense and defense of others isn't TECHNICALLY murder, its self-defense/defense of others. Actual murder? Hell no. |
BANNED Posts: 740 Joined: 19 Jun 2008 |
Well for me, I would much rather have a gun or a knife, but I am at the very least ok with making a physical attempt. I have hunted, killed, skinned, and gutted animals and I don't essentially differentiate between animals and humans. I of course do feel for people, but I normally put myself above others. The problem with killing someone physically is that it would require a lot of vicious acts, and I can admit it's hard to think about committing those acts. But one thing that I have done and am fully ok with, is suffocation, I have taken horrible beating while hanging on to another persons throat (while sporadically throwing my head into there face) and it's rather efficient. User was banned for: I'm Finished. (Permanent) |
Beat Writer  Posts: 128 Joined: 17 May 2008 |
Indeed. Reading the responses here is like "Wow ok so I guess nobody took this question seriously huh?" on account of the fact that, I don't know, 90% of the people would presumably be serving time for the above crime after acting on their answers here. I've spent the better part of my life holding myself responsible for somebody's death, I'll quite willingly accept being branded a murderer because of it, and the anguish, guilt and self-loathing I feel because of it is beyond measure. Yesterday was nine years since the 'event' and I spent the last hours of that day stood looking at the sea debating whether it'd be easier to jump in than walk away. It'd take a hell of a lot for me to actually consciously kill somebody, whether I felt they 'deserved' it or not. There are always grey areas, naturally, and in certain circumstances - if I was groomed for war or so - I'm sure I could do it as it was part of whatever 'job' or 'duty' I was being ordered to perform, but with the power solely in my hands I don't think I could bring myself to take somebody else's life. I've fought, I've choked people until they've passed out and I've stood over people with a weapon in hand, but I've always walked away once the threat had passed. I always just assumed that was what made me human. Reading through this thread, perhaps I'm wrong. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 672 Joined: 15 Jun 2008  | If the person seriously annoys me in any way whatsoever. |
BANNED Posts: 740 Joined: 19 Jun 2008 |
Perhaps you have been subjected to the indoctrination into a flawed system of beliefs from the very moment you were born. Perhaps if you were raised by murders you would think vastly different. Is the popular way the right way? Is what makes you 'human' correct? Are humans correct in general? User was banned for: I'm Finished. (Permanent) |
Beat Writer Posts: 128 Joined: 17 May 2008 | Perhaps I learned to think for myself and respect that everyone around me has equal right to live, breathe and crawl on the earth as much as I do. |
BANNED Posts: 740 Joined: 19 Jun 2008 |
Why? Does being alive mean you have the right to live? Perhaps no one has the right to live. Perhaps life is something you have to fight for, perhaps a being has to earn its 'right' to live or take it, or both. User was banned for: I'm Finished. (Permanent) |
Beat Writer Posts: 128 Joined: 17 May 2008 | Debating existentialism would lead me down a road I am far, far too sleepy to take right now. Fo' realz. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 367 Joined: 19 Sep 2008 | To be honest, I don't think killing is ever right. |
King of the Yetis  Posts: 1958 Joined: 15 Jul 2008 |
That's because the answer to your question is the stuff of nightmares... and low budget Japanese pornography. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 591 Joined: 12 Aug 2008  | Hello. My Name Is Inigo Montoya. You Killed My Father. Prepare to Die. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1431 Joined: 9 Aug 2008 |
Yeah, that's how I'm thinking. I answered yes after taking a moment to think about it, as I have in the past. I've held people's lives in my hands before, its part of training. When you have a guy in a possibly fatal choke hold, and he taps, he acknowledges that I could have killed him then and there and has given up. The same for me, as I've tapped before in trust that I will be released. I've trusted another human being to spare my life as they have trusted me to spare their's. But I know deep down inside, that if he were not a friend, but say, a person attempting to kill me, a relentless person trying to murder me or my loved ones, I know that I could hold that choke for ten more seconds, and he'd be dead. If his intention was to kill me, then he would die. If he was just a bum trying to mug me, or some guy outside a bar wanting to fight, then I have no reason to kill them. There was no fatal intent, just malicious. I would only kill a man if he were trying to kill me in return, and that is just to remove that threat. Money or pride are not things I will ever kill for. I'll fight over it, sure, I'll defend it, but to kill another man for that is just unforgivable to me. That's the kind of insight I've gained from training to take lives. But then you have to add in, after killing the person, with foresight, how would you feel? To see the family of that person, the loved ones, crying because you took the life of someone who was dear to them. You killed them, their son, brother, daughter, sister, father, mother. You killed them, how could you justify taking that life? Sure, they had it coming, but that doesn't change that he was a human being with a family and a past, and a future which you stole from them. A chance for forgiveness, redemption, that you did not allow, because they messed with YOU they had to die. That's a very arrogant thing to claim you could just do because you think you could do it. For me, the only justification of killing another human is the one of its either my life, or their life to be taken. Nothing else will suffice. |
Really not even if its a lot of money?
Killing is easier than maiming as you dont need to control the force used, where as doing just enough damage is pretty hard.
As for the woman question, is said woman mugging me? then yes same answer