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Press Junketeer  Posts: 443 Joined: 18 Sep 2008     | |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 529 Joined: 27 Aug 2008   | It's not just Christianity, it's religion in general. Christianity is just the one we - as people from the Western world - are exposed to the most, so it gets the most attention. If it makes you feel better the same would be done if Scientology was talked about as often. Edit: Wait, people have been mocking Jesus? Or just the magic stuff he apparantly did? I can definately understand problems with Christianity, but there's very few better role models out there morally. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 77 Joined: 14 Dec 2007   | maybe because it's made up? |
Muckraker  Posts: 312 Joined: 7 Sep 2008   | Is it because it's the most "popular" religion? We all know that hating on the thing that everyone likes automatically makes you cool. I hope that things will be enlightened a bit more when I get to see Religulous. |
Paperboy Posts: 16 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 | Because if we say that the qua'ran was a load of crap we'll get called racist, but if we said that the bible is a load of crap we wouldn't. Figure that one out, political correctness. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 891 Joined: 13 Jul 2008 | I don't hate Christianity at all. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 443 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 |
See, I'm not sure if I buy that. It today's society where everyone seems to claim that they are so 'accepting', that argument says 'We don't like you, so we're gonna make fun of what you hold dear.' Seems more like hate then an accepting society.
While I agree that people can be pretty darn dogmatic, doesn't this argument generalize against everyone who just happens to be Christian? I mean, if a black guy stole my bike, wouldn't it be really stupid of me to then make fun of and distrust all black people? |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 660 Joined: 6 Feb 2008   | And there was me thinking it was 'Scientology' everyone was making fun of... |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 529 Joined: 27 Aug 2008 |
You don't have to hate something to mock it. Edit:
Pretty much that. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 187 Joined: 20 Aug 2008 | I'm an atheist and it's often that I'm mocking or teasing the faithful, but that's not representative of our culture, I'm just a jerk who happens to know a lot of vocal creationists. The fact is that Christianity is, while not the fastest growing or most dynamic faith, the big dog on campus for the time being. They are the largest, the most widespread, and a lot of people disagree with how they got there. Being the big guy makes you a target, and having a less than squeaky-clean past makes it impossible to hold up an infallible, or untouchable, image. Hence, you take some verbal abuse. I wouldn't worry to much about it though, I doubt many people feel any actual malice and the doubt even more that it's hindering your church or your faith at all. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1519 Joined: 18 Sep 2007    | Partly it's a reaction to all the hatred dripping from those purporting to represent the Christian community... the "love thy neighbour unless he's the wrong skin colour or faith or sexual preference or language or..." chafes pretty badly with modern, global sensitivities. Partly it's because Christianity is the most common faith around here; if you base an in-joke around Ganeesha, too many folks in these parts won't get it. (Though the Simpsons made it work, back in the day...) -- Steve |
Muckraker Posts: 312 Joined: 7 Sep 2008 | I find it funny (sad?) how people can make fun of Jesus and not the Inquisition or the Crusades (both of which are done "in the name of the Lord" for that matter. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2804 Joined: 22 Aug 2008   |
Because it's an easy target? (I kid, I kid) TheBadass said it quite well. Westerners are generally most exposed to Christianity, and those with a certain disliking for religion will pick on it simply because its there. No religion has a "clean" past, but obviously the dwellers of the Western world (Of whom I think makes up the majority of the Escapists numbers) will know where the bodies are buried for their country's respective religion. Plus people love pointing out hypocrisy of others, and (anecdotal from my own life here) a load of religious people can be incredibly hypocritical in their views. Obviously not all are, but many seem to struggle to wrap their head around one view or another. Then there's the whole farce about people following religion "just because" and not really believing. While I don't agree with most people's religious views, the fact that they could actually worship and put their faith in something they've never seen, met or talked with, is impressive to me because I can't. Worship is an entirely alien concept to me and I honestly couldn't imagine myself doing it to anyone. What was my point of this paragraph? Oh, right. People who are posers and only 'do' religion because a) their family did it. They don't believe but because they refuse to step out of their comfort zone they won't say anything against it and b) people who do it for the recognition/attention. One person I met, an ex-girlfriend actually, her Christian beliefs seem to stem from the rest of her beliefs: The desire for attention and people to pay attention to her. -sigh- I feel I've ranted slightly. TheBadass said everything that needed to be said really, everything I added was because I'm feeling frustrated at not being able to beat this one fight on FFTA2 :( |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 529 Joined: 27 Aug 2008 |
Being black wasn't a choice the thief made, and wasn't a direct cause towards the stealing of said bike, it was just incidental. The same can't be said for religious zealots. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 1 Joined: 7 Apr 2008 | Me i hate christianity for many reasons The Pedo Priest The contants degradation of the woman Status the Lie Seriously the Pedo Priest is the Cherry on the damn Cake |
Press Junketeer Posts: 443 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 |
See now this argument I hear the most: So many 'Christians' don't love their neighbor at all! Well, I can sadly agree that there are a lot of churches and people who seem to forget the entire New Testament of scriptures and find it important to jump in front of a news camera while calling a fallen soldier a 'fag' at his funeral while his grief-stricken family tries to mourn. I think those acts are simple deplorable, and I feel I have to apologize on behalf of the Christian community for people like that. I can't really compare how it feels to hear people making fun of Jesus to anything an atheist might feel, unless you're a REAL die-hard Richard Dawkins fan who would simple die if someone made fun of him. It's hurtful, is what I'm saying. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 767 Joined: 1 Jan 2008 | Because mocking Mohammed is wrong and will cause the Muslims to set everyone on fire.But what the hell, political correctness for the fucking win right? Also check out South Park's Cartoon Wars I & II as it's one of the best portrayals of this problem I've seen. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 953 Joined: 7 Nov 2007   |
Ditto |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4237 Joined: 23 Dec 2007  |
So is evolutionism, and the String Theory. let me rephrase that; string theory. Everything that people present as a solution to existence is theoretical, regardless of how much empirical evidence there is. Any religion requires Faith, and to be frank, so does Atheism. Atheism requires Faith that God does not exist. I'd much rather stake my Faith in something alot less pessimistic that reason-less existence.
A single Priest cancels your belief in all things realted to the Israelite God, opposed to 4000 years of proven history? With that resolution I wouldn't be surprised if you take to Scientology. |
Paperboy Posts: 16 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 |
It's a common argument among religious types that morals come from religions. I don't believe that to be so; many, if not all, of the horrendous human acts have come from religion. We've got the 11/9 bombings, the London terrorism, the holocaust (kinda), and then others further back in history, like the crusades, the witch hunts, the Spanish inquisition, etc, etc. Any good morals here? No. Also, religions come from a time when people didn't know how to explain stuff. How does the sun move across the sky? It rides in a chariot. Kinda makes sense. How did the universe begin? God made it. Simple as. There was no evidence for it then, they didn't need any. When none of the arguments have evidence, they are all equal. The science came along and found explanations. Some, more intelligent, people thought "Aha, they have evidence. Now there are two arguments; one has evidence, one doesn't. I'll go with the one with evidence, thanks very much." and some other people thought "Ahh, but it says in a 2000 year old book that god made the earth, that must be true. EDIT: Please don't say evolutionism, it makes it sound like a religion. It is made up, yes, there is no denying that, but it, unlike the religious muffins you seem to believe in, actually has evidence My hands are tired now. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 529 Joined: 27 Aug 2008 |
It also takes Faith to not believe in a flying spaghetti monster. That doesn't mean I should believe in it just in case, especially when there's an alternative theory with evidence to back it up.
It's only pessimistic if you put it that way. I'd prefer to think of existence as a wonderful chance that could have easily been missed, and we should all appreciate just how lucky we are to be here. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1927 Joined: 15 Jun 2008  | Honestly? It's due to the vocal minority in Christianity. It seems to be a large minority sometimes however. They give the rest a bad name, especially by practising values which are not in the spirit of what Jesus is reported to have taught. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1899 Joined: 6 Aug 2008 | It is religion in general which is disliked, but because Christianity is so annoying in all it's crusades against anything remotely fun or interesting we focus on them. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 443 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 |
That is a complete double standard. The lack of choice when being black didn't change the fact that he was black and stole my bike. Some guy might say he's Christian and then beats his wife, but none of that can be brought back to Christianity. Scripture says that a husband must love his wife as Christ loves the church, and you better believe that means no beating. So are black people bad because I got my bike stolen by a black guy? Of course not, the guy just happen to be black. Is Christianity a hateful, corrupt religion because people (Past and present) have done terrible things that completely contradict the core message of it's Spiritual leader? No, it just means that people will use or misuse anything to get what they want, including religion. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4237 Joined: 23 Dec 2007 |
And then you die. What then? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1314 Joined: 29 Nov 2007  | It's mostly in your head. If you were, say, Muslim, you would be posting a comment about how much Islam is insulted and mocked on the internet. Because you're supportive and defensive of your faith, you're hyper-aware of every slur or insult that most people simply ignore or brush over. In reality, it is simply the internet. There are people here who agree with your beliefs. There are people here who do not. Your capacity to not become vitriolic upon encountering those who don't think like you is mostly going to determine how much you can really get out of a public forum like this or others. Some people do not like meeting or talking with people who don't revere or accept their world views, which is technically something you have to accept about the internet as well. So it goes. |
Muckraker Posts: 312 Joined: 7 Sep 2008 |
But where do you draw the line between Faith and Logic? And this is probably going to be my last post here (I'll still lurk). I made a pact with myself not to enter religious debates, because nothing will be proven as fact in the end. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 891 Joined: 13 Jul 2008 | You get reincarnated. As a dog. Yay! Pig ears for all! |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 767 Joined: 1 Jan 2008 |
Funny. ...because didn't people in middle-ages still believe that the moon is square and that the world is built out of four elements(Fire,Water,Air and Bile) because Aristotle said that in his writings 1000 years ago? I'm not trying to defend Christianity or Religion but in a way, the Big Bang theory is about as "realistic" or "scientific" as simply saying that God created the entire universe with a swipe of his hand. Higgs Boson anyone? |
Paperboy Posts: 16 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 | Compulsory book read for all religious people, methinks: God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything. (Unless it's banned in the US for being anti-christian or whatever) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1927 Joined: 15 Jun 2008 |
A very good point, which will probably, and sadly, go unheeded. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1519 Joined: 18 Sep 2007 |
I'll tell you when I get there. I refuse to guess on the basis of badly-translated ancient poetry and a thousands-year-old game of "Telephone". -- Steve |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2804 Joined: 22 Aug 2008 |
Annihilation. I actually believe that's preferable to eternal life as well, if you must know. The concept of Eternity is a truly petrifying idea. Eventually, after enough time had passed, eternal life would become a torture, simply because you would have literally done, thought and seen everything. Ever. |
Paperboy Posts: 16 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 | |
So I'm fairly new to the forum. I've posted around a bit, even added a friend or two. In my forum travels, I've noticed a trend that I see pretty much wherever I go these days: It seems it's fashionable to make fun of Christianity. Why is that?
As a Christian, this is kind of upsetting. I see my Saviour portrayed terribly in movies, TV shows, web comics, and flamed on the internet. What really gets me is I never see anyone mocking Buddha, Mohammad, Moses, or any other religion's 'Spiritual Figurehead' nearly as badly as it happens to Christianity.
Now this thread isn't about if you think Christianity is right or wrong, and I'd like to think that no-one will resort to childing flaming (That's the whole reason I joined this forum).
So why all the hate on Christianity? Let's rap.