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Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 961 Joined: 25 Feb 2008     | |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 815 Joined: 2 Jul 2008     |
I don't want to be too inflammatory, but I feel that is a little hypocritical coming from a religion that states Jews to be the 'chosen people' destined to be in a covenant with God. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 797 Joined: 27 Aug 2008   |
I'm sorry what? South Park DOESN'T poke fun at muslims? Think someone needs to re-watch a few episodes. You know, especially the one with Osama Bin Laden. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 187 Joined: 20 Aug 2008  |
Atheism isn't the belief in no God, it's the refusal to believe in God for no reason. Also, I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but doesn't what you just said basically call religion wishful thinking? I'll concede immediately that Christianity is more comforting than a fluke existence, but that's kind of why I distrust it. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 626 Joined: 15 Jun 2008    |
I'll probably be really tired of living by that point and will finally go into peaceful oblivion. Not everyone is so afraid of being gone. |
Muckraker  Posts: 308 Joined: 15 May 2007   | Really, it stems from alot of the hate from Christianity. You don't see massive groups of other religions telling gamers what they can and can't play, women that they are murderers for getting an abortion, or artists that their work is pornography. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2804 Joined: 22 Aug 2008  |
Not been to many Muslim countries recently have you? |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 55 Joined: 18 Aug 2008  | I do not hate Christianity. It is an idea that has some bad history attached to it, but the core message is good. I hate Christians in general and I can make the distinction between the religion and its followers. I am tired of the old arguments about how Evolution can't be proven, so the other alternative (God) is the only correct assumption. I am tired of the strawman arguments about how Atheists are immoral swine. I am tired of having to own every evil motherfucker that happens to be an Athiest, but religious people get away with saying people like the BTK killer (Christian), Pol Pot (Buddhist), Hitler (Who had the blessing of the Catholic Church, told the King of Norway his faith in Christ is what drove him, and pretty much said so in several famous speeches he made) or Charlie Manson (Scientologist) were using their faith as a cover for their evil tendencies. They are just evil people, but atheist are not allowed to say that; no we have to own anyone that was an atheist. I am tired of being looked at liked I said "Yes, I sacrifice human babies to my effigy of Hitler" whenever I say that "I'm an atheist." The Christian Faith does not do that. The christians do. |
Paperboy Posts: 16 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 |
Sorry, I did not mean to imply that Atheists were being burned at the stake or whatever, I used to go to a school where you were permanently being converted! Now, you have seen how christians react when told their religion is bullshit and if you believe that there is no god then people telling you that there is is telling you that what you believe in is wrong. And by the 'hate' part, I didn't mean hate as in the "Burn the witch" hate sort of hate, but many teachers at said school would go all "don't have anything to do with him, he doesn't believe in an invisible man in the sky." Not those exact words, obviously. EDIT: And how is politics rude to discuss? |
Paperboy  Posts: 14 Joined: 18 Apr 2008  |
Well of course atheism is belief, what in this world is'nt. Belief is certainty and certainty is a virtue, its opposing sin being original thought. Which is why religion, just like atheism, can be quite mind-numbing. The certainty in anything is a way to feel secure and neither I nor Tacitus approves. Beleiving in the theory of evolution is something no man should be able to say with a straight face unless he's a scientist, sadly they can since christianity is outdated and so is agnosticism, as Nietzsche predicted we are now in the nature-fearing age of science. As long as theres an "expert" on the tube all he says in an indisputable scientific fact. Sad though it may be it is understandable, christianity doesnt have anything to show besides a poorly written book. Science on the other hand is everything humanity has made of it self to this point, which is of course why the word should be taken with a grain of salt because of the wide spectrum it dictates. Still humanity doesn change much, instead of fearing god we now fear nature, the preist could rid you of gods wrath and the scientist can control nature. Or so they both claim, not much changes does it. Then there is always the ordeal that is death, one might say people beleive becase of fear, even the atheist beleives he will rot, may not sound pleasing to your average christian but to most it is preferable to living even longer. But I am a hedonist so of course I will enjoy my beutiful sins for as long life will let me, and if there is more life after that then I suppose that would be jolly. My point is that death and supposed afterlife is the great human mystery, certainty can be fatal in this mystery, personally I enjoy a good mystery because if I was certain of anything it would freak me out, would feel like someones lying to me. What happens after death can only be understood by dying, god, no god, buddha, jesus, Lennon, Odin, their stories are irrelevant and at most they are old tales and fables, old philosophy if you will and the point to philosophy is not to create theories, that is a scientific task, no, philosophy is the greatest human sin, it is the process of creating original thought. And to Baby Tea, you can only offend yourself noone is the lord of your mind nor your brain. And if you think solipsims makes sense then jesus tits you are the only person that exists. Point being, you're not the only one being offended, the difference is that god is on your side correct? Surely you are to great to be offended, how dare anyone hurt your precious feelings! And if you found that statement cruel and offensive then you, sir, just proved my point. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 626 Joined: 15 Jun 2008 |
THIS!! This right here is why people don't like Christianity. It's called circular logic. a la, "The Bible is true because the Bible says the Bible is true." Do you see the logical fallacy here? If you want people to respect your religion you can't use things from your religious book as evidence that your religion is correct. Observe. The First Book of Limos I. This Book is ultimate truth. So sayeth Limos. II. In the beginning the Elder ones from beyond space and time had a party. And from this party arose the primordial booze. And out of the booze rose man. III. Many false posters shall arise and claim this is not ultimate truth. They are sinners and will be struck down by the holy bannhammer. Now then. Here you have a holy document I just wrote. It is just as valid as yours. It is ultimate truth because it says it is ultimate truth. It also says that Mankind arose from an Alien keg party. Of course you will say that my book is ridiculous. (Which of course it is, because I just made it up) But it illustrates the point that you cannot use parts of something to prove the validity of itself. The Bible is not true just because the Bible says it is. Stuff like this is whats sets people off, when people pull this shit it pisses everyone else off. If you're going to argue do it for real. Don't just start quoting the bible. |
Paperboy Posts: 16 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 | Saying that
is like saying that no man should believe in a god unless they have been talked to by him (and have proof of that fact) |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 109 Joined: 18 Jan 2008 |
I mean even the basic crime and punishment doesn't apply, according to christianity jesus actually brings the murderers and rapists that were with him in prison for heaven if they agree to "believe in the lord". and in south park they don't joke on muslims even a tenth of what they done on other religions. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 6 Joined: 15 Aug 2008 | Well, the thing is just that making fun of Christianity makes you look open minded and smart, at least if you are a Christian (or at least have a Christian background). Making fun of other religions makes you appear intolerant. In the case of the Islam it may also prompt people to blow themselves up in your vicinity. Those 72 virgins are pretty appealing after all. Hating jews makes you a Nazi, hating Buddhism is a bit like hating pandas or dolphins. By the same principle, it's unacceptable to use the word "nigger" (probably the word will even get cencsored on this forum) unless you're black and since most writers of English books, films and tv shows have a Christian background, Christianity is the only relatively safe religious target. |
Muckraker  Posts: 259 Joined: 24 Feb 2008 |
Oh well done, feel smart now ? |
Muckraker Posts: 299 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 | I don't consider myself a Christian, but hell just because its an excuse for me do evil shit doesn't mean anything. I mean I could use that I was informed by a horse to murder my entire family. Should we start making fun of horses? |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 437 Joined: 2 Jun 2008 | well here's my main problem with it, their are two types of Christians: your John MCCaine type who make me feel ill with their right winged narrow mindedness, or the church of England style Christian which is more of a pretend religion because the rules set down by the bible are just guidelines and in their view they seem to think that their religion condones sex before marriage and homosexuality, and they can get into paradise just doing what they want and having the odd pray. also, the three abrahamic religions are just interpretations of the same text and events before the birth of Christ. and when you read the bible your just reading someone else's interpretation of an interpretation of an interpretation of one from the Latin in the 16th century which was just an interpretation of the original Hebrew texts, therefore I will give a Christian respect if, they learnt Hebrew and read a copy of the absolute original unadopted text and interoperated it in there own way and then fully agreed with their church's interpretation of it. |
Paperboy Posts: 16 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 | But if you said a horse told you to murder your family, people would think you insane. If you claimed that god told you to, people would think you were holy. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3849 Joined: 26 Feb 2008    |
Well, as a devoted Christian I believe it is because Fanatics are everywhere. Three quarters of the religious fanatics I know are Christian's, and they give the rest of us normal devout Christians a bad name. That is why my religion is Sith Lord. I follow the teachings of Jesus and believe in God, but there is much less of a Stigma associated with being a Sith Lord than with being a Christian. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1519 Joined: 18 Sep 2007   |
Besides, Christianity has had its turn in the fire before; the whole Reformation/counter-Reformation caused the Hundred Years War that left what is modern-day Germany pretty much in ruins, led to the Armada and eventually the English Civil War (and the invasion of England by the Dutch!)... then the lesser but no less brutal examples of the witch hunts and the Inquisition, and the crimes commited by the overzealous seeking to enforce what they see as Christian values with bullets and bombs. Given that many other faiths have their own versions, it's not hard for me to see where some could come to view religion itself as more curse than blessing. (Me? I'm not decided on that, as many great works have been done in the names of faiths around the world... but the cost, sometimes, the ghastly cost...) -- Steve edited to add: This is my post #1234. The signs are there, this must be Truth! |
Paperboy Posts: 47 Joined: 7 Aug 2008 | Why all the hate from christianity, if your not a christian your going to hell, if your gay your going to hell, if you don't belive in god and accept him into your heart your going to hell, and most christian people I meet allmost look down on non religious people becuase they think that they're going to hell and no matter what ever they say its just "what ever your going to hell and im not" its all control. |
Muckraker  Posts: 347 Joined: 21 Feb 2008  |
What country do you live in? I'm pretty sure in most countries if you murder your family, regardless of who told you to do it, you're going to jail and/or be put to death. Besides, a lot of religions kind of frown on the whole murder thing. Educate yourself. |
Beat Writer Posts: 187 Joined: 20 Aug 2008 | Just a quick note on the "Book of Limos" Ok ok, that was needlessly inflammatory. Obviously Scientology is as credible as any other religion, and I would never want to offend anyone. And I haven't actually read their book. Heck, I couldn't even sit through Battlefield: Earth. |
BANNED  Posts: 453 Joined: 12 Sep 2008 | Because its a fundamental human principal to get off on deriding others' beliefs. Perhaps its a coping mechanism to deal with one's own worthlessness. User was banned for: Proposition 8, sparks anger, and threats.. (14 days) |
Muckraker Posts: 347 Joined: 21 Feb 2008 |
No it's not. Also, I hate everything you like. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 201 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 |
Atheism is not a belief, it's a lack of a belief. Evolution has been proven over and over to be true, mind you. |
Paperboy Posts: 14 Joined: 18 Apr 2008 |
Can't say I agree, science means knowledge, science is all the human knowledge accumulated and putten to use at this point in time, Religon on the other hand is beleif in a certain moral code. Surely if a preist on tv talks about the all-powerfull god you doubt him because you havent heard from him, and if a scientist talks about the theory of evolution should you not doubt that as well? Surely you know as little of that as you know about the all-powerfull love/wrath of god. Thoose who do not scientificly study the subject can hardly lay claim to the credibility of said theory. By all means you can believe in it, but as stated are you then not the same as the religious man?
Not by you, and it is still but a theory, not a fact. If anything i'd say it's the best theory we've got but one should never believe it to be more than a theory. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3512 Joined: 25 Jan 2008 | Being a devout anti-christian and a light anti-theist, here's why I personally hate Christianity, and to varying degrees by extension, Christians. **WARNING** More Text than you can shake a Bible at... **EDIT** I should also mention, all that I've said below is a general critique, not specific to any one individual (except Jehova). Christians, the individual people not the collective faith, exhibit some or all of these points to varying degrees, and I only hold against them the parts that they do exhibit, but the point of this thread and my post is for Christianity in general, so please take it as such. 1. First and foremost, the fact that Christians tend to know fuck-all about their own religion. I can't/don't quote scripture, the ability to parrot lines of text does not equal knowing what the text means and even if the meaning is understood, there is so much more to the religion that isn't in the bible, which I find the vast majority of practicing Christians don't know about. In line with this, a lot of what they think they know, they know wrong. Just one example, the persecution in Rome by throwing Christians to the lions... Christianity was given a chance to thrive in Rome alongside the multitudes of other faiths, Rome really only had one law with regards to religion. You may believe in any god or gods you wish, but you must also acknowledge the divinity of the Caesar. Christians, being retardedly stubborn and monotheistic, held that they could not worship Caesar as a divine conduit, as their religion preached that their God is the ONLY God. The saying "When in Rome", it refers to the belief that when you are in one place, you must respect and honor the customs of that land, be it your homeland or a foreign place you are visiting. The Christians refused to honor Rome's tradition regarding the worship of Caesar, and thus broke the only law on Religion in that nation. As such, they were criminals. Feeding them to the lions, like the gladiator arena, was sport for the bloodlust of the people. More than just Christians were thrown to the lions, but only the Christians bemoan it as persecution. Guess what boys and girls, you're outlaws, criminals. You are receiving the lawful punishments for your crime. So when I hear Christians whine about persecution, the only event they can ever bring up is the feeding to the lions, which they have no right to call persecution. A rapist isn't being persecuted by being arrested, in the ancient middle-east (and some places still today) a thief isn't persecuted when they cut off his hands for stealing. Persecution and punishment aren't the same thing. You can argue all you want about how it was an unfair punishment, and I agree that little in the way of crime deserves a death sentence, none of it as sport, but it was not persecution. So why do they all as a people believe so strongly that the ancient Romans did persecute them? Because they don't know shit about the historical end, or the fine details. All Christians know is the crap preached in the churches, which is 1-part lies, 3-parts propaganda. You'd be hard pressed to find any Christian church that actually puts real-world perspective on their faith, because they believe real knowledge weakens faith. 2. Christians are too in your face. In a perfect world, people will be free to believe in whatever they want. In the real world, people just can't seem to live with the idea that everyone else doesn't share their beliefs. Christians and Muslims are amongst the top two religions for forcing their beliefs down others' throats. Keeping specific to Christians, your right to religious freedom and expression ends the second you try recruiting others. If you have the right to believe in God, we have the right to NOT believe. And Christians take it as their own personal crusade to convert non-believers, they just can't seem to let people be. I don't want you on my doorstep preaching the shit from whatever sub-branch of God-worship your faith belongs to. FUCK OFF! I don't want to see your religious displays, icons, or symbols in public. You have your churches, and your homes. Why must you spread this shit elsewhere? Respect the public's right to not having your faith in their face everywhere they go. And for the love of your Christian God who you can't even agree on his name or how it's pronounced, stay the fuck out of schools. The idea of a religious school defeats the point OF a school. Faith and knowledge don't work well together, and you have churches for pushing faith, leave the schools for pushing knowledge. 3. You're too damn uptight when it comes to your faith. OP's thread is the prime example of this. "Why do people make fun of Christians?"... People make fun of EVERYTHING, no exceptions. Fuck, I had poor-taste humorous Terry Shaivo pictures from Fark before she even died. Fuck Rule 34, try Rule 34-K. If it exists, then there are jokes about/against it. Don't take everything so personal. Oh, so Family Guy made a joke about Jesus's ability to turn water into wine. Are you so damn insecure about your own faith that you can't take something like that and laugh? Where in the bible does it say, "Thou shalt stick a bug up thine ass about everything religions"? Is the eleventh commandment "Thou Shalt Not Laugh"? Do you think Jesus was such a serious dude that he never made a fart joke? Some times, a humorous jab at something is not a criticism. Don't take a good-natured ribbing as an attack on your faith, and don't take an attack on your faith as something personal. YOU are not Christianity, if someone has a beef with that particular religion, it doesn't mean they have a beef with you. This is amplified tenfold when problem #1, not truly knowing anything about your faith, comes into play. 4. Where belief or faith collide with science, science wins. You don't have to like it, but you do have to accept it. Science by definition is proof. Proof about how our bodies work, proof about how gravity and centrifugal force hold us to this spinning ball we call earth, proof of why the sun rises and sets. Faith is belief in something unproven or unable to be proven. Well when something unproven, such as the shape of the earth, becomes proven, you must accept the proof and adjust your beliefs around the new facts. Columbus proved the earth was round, today that's common knowledge. What would you call someone today who still held firm in the belief that the earth was flat? A retard, a stubborn idiot? I call them a Christian. Why, because they continually insist that scientific facts are wrong, and their holy book is right. IF God exists, then he created science, and our ability to pursue understanding about the world around us. If he doesn't exist, science wins and religious people are fucking saps. But going on the possibility he does exist, you can believe in god, and still believe in evolution. You can hold firm to your Christian beliefs and still admit that not all of the bible is intended to be literal, we are NOT all the inbred descendants of Adam and Eve. Not all the Bible has to be true. In fact, a smart Christian would realize that the bible in itself may or may not be entirely bullshit, and would shape his life around what he/she truly believes, not what an ancient mis-translated piece of propaganda tells him to believe. God and the bible are not the same, you can believe in God and still reject the bible. But if you do choose to believe in both, it shouldn't prevent you from also accepting science and knowledge into your life. Now why does science have to win over faith? Because all the faith in the world won't change the fact that the earth is round. Nothing religion has ever conflicted with science over has been won for the side of religion. And science isn't so far up its own ass as religion is. Science admits it isn't perfect, and can be wrong. When something proven is disproven, it's back to the drawing board and we redefine our beliefs based on new evidence. Religion disapproves of self-adjustment or self-investigation. You have to take it as it is, and if it's wrong, it's going to stay wrong but you still have to believe it. It just doesn't work. 5. You can't prove your religion is the one true religion. Who's to say that if any religions are true, that Christianity is the real answer? There were faiths long before Christ fucked things up. I wish I could see the looks on every Jebus Crispy when they die and end up in Tartarus because they banked on the wrong belief system. You have so many different world religions, some of them like Christianity can't even agree on their own beliefs so they splinter into hundreds of sub-sects. What if they're all wrong, what if they're all right, or what if only one is right and you banked on a different faith? Nothing any faith-pushing asshole has ever said to me has convinced me that their beliefs have more merit than any other. Most offer damnation if you don't believe, but none offer the possibility that they could be wrong. So does numbers win? Is Christianity the real faith because they have more believers than Judaism? Well guess what, if the faith with the most believers wins, we're in a toss-up between Buddha and Alah then folks. Christianity is outnumbered. See, I personally like (not believe in, but like) the old world religions, especially Greek/Roman and the other pantheistic faiths. They had this groovy idea that if one god exists, they all exist. They also believed that gods are territorial, the Greek gods resided in Greece, and only had power in that domain. A Greek traveling to Egypt would still worship his gods, but also worship the Egyptian g |
That would be Politics of course...