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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1413 Joined: 7 Sep 2008     | |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 689 Joined: 13 Aug 2008    |
First: Do you realize that before Christianity was established as the state religion of Rome, Christians were themselves victims of torture and genocide? And let us not forget that a RELIGIOUS war is far different from a war being waged by someone that just so happens to be religious. Second: Not all Christians follow every verse of the Bible as a literal. And let us not forget that the Bible says NOTHING advocating racism. How does your racism comment stand up against the fact that a large number of Christians are non-white? Third: What are you talking about "blood money"? Do you mean the blood money that Judas refused to take? Or something else? Because I can't think of anything in the Bible that supports that claim. Fourth: MASS Pedophilia? Do you realize how many priests there are around the world? Just because a handful happened to be pedophiles does not support your claims of "mass pedophilia". And the Vatican did not "cover it up", the priests covered it up themselves. Fifth: As has been stated, Christians refuse to acknowledge the above points because they are invalid. This kind of hate-filled drivel, this "bile", to use your own word, is what causes people to think that aetheists are all God-hating monsters. As to your claim that Christianity "stole" someone from you, do you mean that the Bible grew arms and plucked them away from you? Or do you mean that they decided to embrace faith and your frothing, rabid hatred of religion drove them away? And finally, pertaining to your idiotic comment that you would "lead that dark army to the Gates of Heaven", let us consider the fact that a) if you were in Hell, you would be screaming in eternal torment and unable to lead anything, and b) the Devil already tried that, and failed. And before you claim that the only reason I am getting angry at your claims is because I am a Christian, let me say that I am atheist, as is my mother. However, instead of instantly hating religion and believing everything the hate-spewing anti-theistic dullards spouted at me, I decided to READ the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, go to church several times with my father and judge for myself. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 89 Joined: 11 Sep 2008   | *condensed into next longer post** |
Copy Clerk Posts: 89 Joined: 11 Sep 2008 |
Oh please tell me you did not just try to state science was a position of ignorance... Coming from a person who seems to believe its physically possible for large body of water to be perfectly parted by wind commanded by a normal human being. I say normal human being because if jesus was a demi god then I'm pretty sure that being nailed to a cross would hack even him off enough to start throwing curses and plagues around. If moses could do it why didnt jesus? moses wasnt even a demigod was he?
Wow you spit out more dribble than i do half the time. You are getting pissed at me because I have a vendetta. Two words: One beigns with F the other with O, take a guess hero boy. You arnt christian hence have no right to defend them from me. You have no idea what went on hence have no authority to stick your wanna be activist nose in my hate. And also...learn to read, I referenced cortez as the source and the crusades. As for my racism point I explained that aswell, go read it unless you are incapable of that simple act also. Finally, concerning my comment on the eradication of heaven. The devil is an ageless being who knows not the tactics of proper warfare. In the spirit realm it is the power of mind and soul that dictates ones strength. I know what you class as "evil" better than anyone. The devil is nothing but a wanna be compared to my burning vengence. EDIT: You cant win this argument, I'm going to keep coming until I crush every one of you who thinks christianity is what people should believe. As I staed before. There is no forgiveness, no matter how much flak you throw my way. It only gives me more reason to inflict religious cleansing when i have the opportunity. What you dont seem to realise is that I thrive on your responces, thrive on drawing out those who would agressively defend it instead of simply saying, ok thats what you believe. We arnt all bad but its what you believe. That my foe, is what my love says...and guess what. She's christian. She however, keeps her beliefs to herself. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1413 Joined: 7 Sep 2008 | jasoncyrus, your posts are nothing short of blatant trolling, not only of a religion, but of other users here at The Escapist. Reported. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 356 Joined: 9 Jul 2008   | Jesus Christ (I wrote that before I remembered I'm Jewish. Knee-jerk reaction)! Jasoncyrus, come on man! Stop it! If you don't want to be religious, fine, I'm not particulary religious either, but don't hate someone for what other people did, mostly a long time ago, and don't presume to believe that everyone who's religious follows every word of the bible. We've seen enough of that. Again, not to flaunt my Judaism in everyone's face, but bad things have happened to Jews, for sake of argument, lets use the Holocaust. Looking back, do I hate Hitler? God yes!! Do I hate those who helped him willingly? God yes!! Do I hate all Germans? God no!! Separate the individual perpetrators from the masses. You're arguments will seem less half-baked. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 89 Joined: 11 Sep 2008 |
it started off as religion, then they started pushing at me so I simply retaliated :) EDIT: orannis62 you've given me the perfect opportunity to make a good analogy. Nazism. How many do you see these days? next to none. Put aside the wars and the genocide of jews and what do you see? A man who dragged germany out of the gutter and stabalised the economy (for a while). Christianity has a similar dark past yet there are still billions of them around. The main difference is the bad points weren't as publisised, were they? |
Press Junketeer Posts: 356 Joined: 9 Jul 2008 |
No. not :). Not even close |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1011 Joined: 1 Dec 2007    |
Tell me, again, where you are demonstrating this? |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 689 Joined: 13 Aug 2008 |
Just to start, I thought when I was writing that, so I didn't see you cite Cortez. Speaking of which, since when was Christianity founded by Cortez? You really shouldn't cite something that actually does not help your argument. Now we come to your comment about my not being Christian. No, I am not Christian. However, my father is, my sister is, and in fact most of family is Christian. My aunt is an ordained priest even. I was brought up in a Christian household, but I decided against continuing my life in that manner. So yes, I do have a reason to defend Christianity. And anyone has the RIGHT to defend whatever they wish. But I am not trying to defend Christianity. I am trying to defend good people that have decided to place their faith in a higher power from someone who has decided that he knows better than anyone else in the world. Also, yes, I am angry at you because you have a vendetta. But the reason that angers me is because you have no REASON to hold that anger. Whoever it is that you lost, it seems to me that you pushed them away on your own when they became Christian. It was their choice to become Christian, and it was your choice to resent them for it. If this is not what happened, please, feel free to tell me what actually happened, on the condition that you do so without filling it with opinionated interpretations. And your final comments, along with the ones you made following your first post are not adding to your case. Those high-and-mighty statements that you "know what [I] class as 'evil' better than anyone" make you sound like someone who wishes they were a Villain from LOTR. Your claims that you hate anyone that is Christian is just as biased as if you said you hate everyone who is not white as ivory. Your comments that you are better at warfare than the Devil can only be described the whiny ramblings of someone who thinks they're cooler than they really are. You know NOTHING of warfare, NOTHING of tactics, strategy, or anything like that. I would say more, but your idiocy has made me so angry that I cannot think straight, my vision is going blurry, and my hands have begun to shake. I am not kidding, I am not exxagerating. I cannot sufficiently express the ire your comments have raised in the form of text. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 89 Joined: 11 Sep 2008 | You want to hear the truth? Then fine here it is hot shot. She pushed away ME. Not that way around. I begged her to stay but no I was a sinner in her eyes because I believed in a free life without restrictions of marriage or prayer. We had been close friends, closer than friends. So close I considered her as FAMILY. We finished each other sentences, roleplayed online, gamed together, talked for hours. When I spoke with her she would light up my day just by being there because she was my pillar of strength to lean on. Then one day she disapeared. I didnt see her for over six weeks, and when she came back...she had changed. Her personality, once a straight rod of independance, had been bent at a 90 degree angle. I wasnt worthy in the eyes of her faith and so I was cast away, accused of things I wasn't around to even do. And so my hatred grew. I knew something had brainwashed her and i knew what was to blame...Christianity. My hatred grew and so did my burdening guilt because i knew i could not hate her because of my respect for our past. I knew her inside out until that day. So dont you DARE tell me who or what I cannot hate without reasons that make sense to you. My rage and ire at that CULT knows no bounds, it wounded me in a way i did not think possible that day. It crushed me for YEARS and the only thing that kept me sane was my hatred. My burning anger at her betrayel caused by that vile corrosive faith. It is my mortal enemy and anyone who dares try to touch its poison to those i interact with shall feel my wrath. Reason or not. EDIT: As for putting faith in a power who knows better than anyone else in the world. Clearly he doesn't, or else I would not be here, would i? As for Villiany...that is for amatuers. A true villian would have sent a regiment to eradicate every hobbit they could find, burned that shire to the ground. But i digress. Viliany is a very broad spectrum that would need its own thread for discussion. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 689 Joined: 13 Aug 2008 | I didn't say you couldn't hate her. This is why I asked you for clarification. I have had things like this happen to me. Someone I knew for over 12 years, someone I considered to be one of the only people I could trust with my deepest thoughts, decided that she didn't want to be around me anymore. I was angry, yes. But I got over it. I decided that I could find other people to be with, instead of hating her for the rest of my life. Christianity doesn't "brainwash" people, it' a choice. The fact that she decided she didn't like you didn't necessarily have anything to do with Christianity. True, it may have. She may have decided that you were a "sinner" and that she didn't want to be around you. But there may be other reasons. 6 weeks is a long time, long enough for a person to change drastically. I feel for your loss, I really do. I know how much it hurts to lose someone you love. But that does not mean that you shoul blame Christianity for that loss. The fact that you still hold that grudge makes you seem like an impetuous teenager that has decided that his breakup is the end of the world. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 89 Joined: 11 Sep 2008 | On the contrary friend. I have had this grudge since I was 16..i am now 22. Thats 6 years of hatred. And trust me. The only reasons she gave were religiously motivated. I know when I've been screwed over and christianity did just that. It tore a hole out of my life and stole 2 years of happyness from me. I suffered day in day out for 2 years trying to contact her and get some real explaination as to why she did what she did. But all i got was the religious talk. Thats how I know. And that my friend is why I can never forgive. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 356 Joined: 9 Jul 2008 | Really, man, that's too bad, but, as xitel pointed out, Christianity isn't to blame. Being the son of a psychologist helps me, I can see something very likely in this. She was feeling ostracized, maybe by you, maybe someone else. Point is, she didn't "feel wanted" (it seems so cheesy to say) and latched onto the first thing that might help. In this case, it was religion, specifically christianity, but it could have been anything. The following is the saying that came the closest that I could think of: Don't shoot the messenger. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 689 Joined: 13 Aug 2008 | You can never forgive her. From what you are saying, she is an example of religious extremism. Some people are just like that, but not everyone. And if you are 22 you should know the futility of holding a grudge for that long. Instead of hating every Christian in the world, you should hate her (if you absolutely have to hate someone) and just move on. I have been dumped three times, and each time it hurt. A lot. But I realized after the first one that I can't dwell on that. It's better to just ignore them. Think to yourself that they are wrong, that they are idiotic, and you will feel a lot better. And I don't mean think that she is wrong for being Christian. Think that she is wrong for not accepting that you are not Christian. Hating every Christian because she left you makes you no better than she was. It's a simple case of intolerance leading to intolerance. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 356 Joined: 9 Jul 2008 |
You came closer than me to saying what I meant with the last sentence of my post. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 89 Joined: 11 Sep 2008 | I forgave her a long time ago. I cannot forgive the cult though. As for grudges. I can hold them forever, its a talent of mine. It's a similar grudge to the one i have against shrinks. but thats for totally different reasons. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 356 Joined: 9 Jul 2008 | Assassin's Creed quote time!!!!! "Such pride... it will destroy you child." My point is that if you hold onto your grudge (what Tamir calls your "pride") against this "Cult" as you're so wont to call it, it will destroy you. EDIT: btw. is this:
an attack because I mentioned my dad was a psychologist? (btw, probably a good idea to give him a call :) ) |
Copy Clerk Posts: 89 Joined: 11 Sep 2008 | I am so tempted to start quoting random Wow lines now....O.o Not an attack, just stating that I don't like shrinks. Long story short I don't respect people who think they know what is going on in my head. Nothing personal, my head they should stay out. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 689 Joined: 13 Aug 2008 | Honestly, if you refuse to listen to my suggestions with an open mind, I think I'm just going to have to give up. I still think you are misplacing your anger, which is something that will hurt you later in life, but I am glad to hear that you forgave her. I believe you are free to have any opinion you want, and I believe I am free to disagree with that opinion. Or, in the words of Voltaire: "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it". I just hope you realize that by despising Christians without exceptions, you are no better than the closed-minded Christians you despise. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2568 Joined: 22 Jun 2008 |
Actually I would like to state that, Hitler pretty much stablized the world. WW2 brought the U.S out of the great depression which brought everybody else out of their semi-depression. Also if we get rid of the extremists where will I get my daily lol? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1731 Joined: 13 Feb 2008  |
Man, this was just getting good. In all seriousness, jasoncyrus, you really need to grow up. You are blaming Christianity for your pain and suffering just because you can't deal with someone hurting you. It's easier to hold a grudge against something than it is to allow yourself to let someone you care about make their own choices. She left you, and you threw a fit for two years. If she truly cared about you, then she it would have been hard for her to leave you (no contact for six weeks, probably because she didn't know what to say), or she would have at least invited you to her church (which by your statements about the "religious talk" you kept hearing, she tried to do). If you truly cared about her, you would have read into Christianity, even just to see what could be so compelling as to draw her away from you. People are going to do things that you don't like. The sooner you learn this, the better. You cannot freak out every time someone does something that defies your control. Also, if her church was such that they truly wouldn't accept you because you are too much of a sinner, then it wasn't Christianity at all. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 971 Joined: 9 Jul 2008  | It's fun making fun of Christianity. You crazy people and your Jesus crackers. I would feel horrible if I was Christian, mostly because it's too common, in my opinion it has become diluted and not special. And I haven't really read through this thread but I did see the name of Hitler mentioned so I'd like to point out that Hitler was very not religious. He dissuaded Germans from being religious when he could (as I've come to understand), and as a Jew I do not blame Christianity or Christians in general at all for the Holocaust. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2568 Joined: 22 Jun 2008 |
Hell the guy could be a perfect jew though..He was a vegitarien, He didn't drink much at all so.(Freaking history class, I picked hitler on these principles instead of FDR(He drank 8-10 martinis I think a day:O), And winston churchill because the man drank a quart of brandy a day..(I like to think that leaders that are shining examples are best...Aslong as they have a state of mind that works.(That also means I am okay with terrible examples but great leaders.(Also I love parenthesis.) |
Press Junketeer Posts: 356 Joined: 9 Jul 2008 |
We weren't saying he was religious, I was just making an analogy about separating the individual or small group (nazis) from the whole (entirety of Germany). |
PROBATION  Posts: 3934 Joined: 24 Apr 2008    | *reads thread* Readies bombshell *Ahem* In response to the original question: *Clears throat* They don't, actual haters of christianity are as rare as Christians who actually believe that the Eucharist is the flesh of christ. Sure, many say they do, but i assure you there is no actual venom behind their 'hate'. As many Christians accept the Eucharist as the flesh of christ, knowing full well it is a symbolic gesture. 'Hating' Christianity is just the symbolic gesture, often with no actual weight behind the sentiment. Trust me, Christianity haters are just as bad as a TV evangelist as just as rare. Don't lump all atheists into the hater boat, some of us just don't see a need for religion, but acknowledge the immense comfort it brings many, many people. Its not so much 'cool' as 'done'. Nobody actually considers Christianity when they say things to take the piss put of it. Those that do are assholes and their opinion is worthless anyway. ____________________________________________________ On another note, people seeking a thrashing of religion in 'Religulous' will be disappointed. It is about the idiocy of certainty on behalf of the religious and the atheist alike. We cannot know anything for sure, and the fact that there are two sides that preach certainty is what the film is taking the piss out of. I have heard it summed up best here: "We have two sides that are prepared to accept that anything is possible. Except for the fact that the other one could be right" I think this will be the theme Religulous takes. Thread defeated, 2000exp to all involved and a mythril dagger. User was put on probation for: Kid loses Xbox, runs away, dies in a field.. (7 days) |
Paperboy  Posts: 27 Joined: 8 Oct 2008 | Dude, I don't know where you got the women degradation idea from. You must not be familiar with the fact that woman came from man's rib. NOT from his foot to be stepped on, not from his head to be superior, but from his rib to be equal, under the arm to be protected, and next to the heart to be loved ( and all the ladies said awwwwww....) |
Anonymous Source Posts: 1 Joined: 8 Oct 2008 | Hmm okay well i will admit these things now: Okay with those out of the way, I want to put forth a few points (I'm not sure if they have been stated already, cbf reading through all 7 pages) Also, feel free to point me out where-ever I am incorrect - I don't like the fact that it is basically b |
Most definitely, and the irony of that was not lost on me.