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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4066 Joined: 24 Apr 2008     | |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1579 Joined: 14 Oct 2007     |
There is another line. It is between moral choices and biological tendancies. I'm up for arguing that sexuality is not a choice. Being comfortable with it is. And yes, it is entirely possible to be a skirt-toting, drunken man who decides to kiss another man, and still be heterosexual. Truth or Dare is a prime example of this. |
Muckraker  Posts: 243 Joined: 11 Oct 2008    |
Wow. I must say, well-reasoned. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4066 Joined: 24 Apr 2008 |
That man must accept, though, that that man can reasonably be accused of homosexuality. He can go on to disprove it though, thats his right. Take the following; you walk in, there is a dead body in the floor, a man is standing over it with a grin on his face, blood on his shirt and a knife in his hand. He just might not be the murderer... but you can't be blamed for making that assumption. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 470 Joined: 4 Sep 2008   |
Agreed. Wow, I left this thread alone hours ago. I figured it was dead. I guess I was way wrong lol. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 633 Joined: 25 Jun 2008  | |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 82 Joined: 11 May 2008    | Can you ever really "prove" or "disprove" sexuality? Like many things in life, as convenient as it would be if it were binary; it isn't. But thinking just because there's a man in the room who has announced themselves to be gay, you equally shouldn't assume that they fancy you or are going to do anything in any way to make you feel uncomfortable, that's just irritating. Pet hate though. Guys who insist "Nobody's 100% straight, especially after a few drinks..." I don't mean to be antsy or anything, but if it were a straight man were to say "No woman 100% doesn't want to have sex with me, especially after a few drinks..." people probably wouldn't find it as funny. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 555 Joined: 10 Sep 2007  |
Is nonsense before you added:
He can be reasonably accused, yes. That doesn't actually make him gay. You aren't gay because people think you like men, or because you do "gay" things. You're gay because you like men.
Doesn't mean anything, because they have very little to do with what we're talking about. With these things, the actions are more important than the reasons. You can be a vegetarian and feel like eating a steak. You can be a pacifist and want to smash someone's face in. You can fight for freedom even though you think that a tyrant would prove a more stable ruler. You can be gay, and never touch another man in your life. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 82 Joined: 11 May 2008 |
Actually, I just read that to myself aloud, and it is kinda funny. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4066 Joined: 24 Apr 2008 |
You cut out the last part of this post. And there's no point adding convolution, getting naked in a bed with other men is reasonably gay. You can excuse it, but the act is fairly homosexual. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 82 Joined: 11 May 2008 |
I'd say more homoerotic than homosexual. There would need to be something sexual for it to be homosexual. As there isn't, but it is a bit suspicious I think homoerotic would be a better term. |
BANNED  Posts: 740 Joined: 19 Jun 2008    |
In your example what is the reason for "sleeping in a bed naked with other guys?"
These aren't good examples as in every case one side holds some form of animosity toward the other, yet a strait man may not hold any animosity toward homosexuals or homosexual behavior. If he is strait then he won't engage or desire to engage in homosexual acts, if he is homosexual then he will or may desire to.
That's a homosexual act, what would be the purpose? A straight man can be so comfortable with his sexuality that he wouldn't mind a kiss from a man, but the fact that he is straight would mean he wouldn't desire it or seek it, so that is also a poor example as you make it sound as if being comfortable with your sexuality implies that you actual desire to "strip down and kiss" for no reason. User was banned for: I'm Finished. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3903 Joined: 26 Feb 2008  |
Yeah. No offense intended, but getting naked with other guys when there are no girls about (Something like Strip Poker is acceptable) is highly abnormal and will seem gay to any outsider. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 101 Joined: 12 Jul 2008 | i am straight, i am completely comfortable with my sexuality. but i just cannot see what makes other guys attractive... that why i don't get the opening line of your thing... anyways... just because you and your mates get naked that doesn't mean your gay... if you get naked then have man-orgies... you might be gay... |
King of the Yetis  Posts: 1956 Joined: 15 Jul 2008 | Being comfortable with your nakedness around other dudes is unusual but certainly not a bad thing. That being said. Actively searching out situations where you end up naked with a bunch of dudes is a sign of cock hungriness. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2117 Joined: 7 Mar 2008  |
i'd have to say it's both abnormal and leaning far into the gay range of things i've yet to meet a guy, whom i'm friends with (this includes the gay ones), that want to get that would want to get naked around another man without it being sexual unless it's in a change room or possibly a bathroom when you have to go to the bathroom cause honestly why would you want to have a game of strip whatever if you had no sexual interest in them? i mean isn't the point of the game to see them naked? honestly you guys should read some of the Dan Savage articles and listen to some of his podcasts about stuff similar to this as i've said before i got no issue with a guy saying "hey you're cute" or asking me out, i will kindly deny them, if they insist i will slowly increase the resolve at which i refuse them tho most gay guys get it. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1391 Joined: 11 Jun 2008    | In the literal sense of homosexuality, nakedly frolicking around with other men is not gay, fucking them is. In terms of a homosexual lifestyle though, yeah, that's pretty gay. I mean it's one thing if you guys are naked and trying to kick each other in the nut sacks while doing shots of jim beam... but if you're giggling about like little nude sprites, different story. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1182 Joined: 22 Jun 2008    | Meh. Most organized sports are considered "manly", hockey, football, rugby, etc. but all have locker rooms filled with sweaty, half naked guys in close quarters. Figure that one out. I'm not homosexual, but if you are, cool, whatever. Most of those who shout "GHEY LULZ!" are generally unpleasant people to be around anyway. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2117 Joined: 7 Mar 2008 |
yes but there is a difference there, i mean the purpose of a change room is to get out of sweaty/dirty clothing, possibly shower, and then put on dry clothes. the goal is not to force the person to remove clothing the purpose of playing strip [insert game name here] is to get another person naked and also assert some sort of sexual domination over the person. there is really no way to say there isn't a sexual purpose behind that. cause frankly if i'm playing strip [insert game name here] with some girl it's sure as hell has nothing to do with me wanting to beat her in a friendly competition, it's i want to see her naked and possibly do something else with her after *nudge*nudge*wink*wink* know what i mean? *hand gesture* say no more |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 842 Joined: 8 Jul 2008 |
That annoys me SO FUCKING much. I'm in a class with people 15 and up and we're watching |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2117 Joined: 7 Mar 2008 |
without seeing the movie, there can be some humour found in thinking someone is gay, i can think of a few movies where something like that happens but they were intentionally doing that so without seeing the movie it's kind hard to say |
Beat Writer  Posts: 130 Joined: 29 Aug 2008 | I'm bi and I wouldn't ever want to have a "man-over" in which everyone ends up getting nekkid. So doing that doesn't always mean you're gay or even bi. I guess you can play strip games so people are more inclined to win. I mean who wants to get nekkid in front of a bunch of other guys (well, some gay guys)? Exactly. Umm........wait........does everyone actually enjoy getting nekkid or is it like a punishment for losing? Oh, and I'm completely comfortable with my sexuality since I'm bi so it doesn't really matter with me since I can choose who I want to get nekkid with lol. It's all about compatibility (and how hot he/she is). Oh, and whoever it is must be capable of coherent thought. lol |
Beat Writer  Posts: 184 Joined: 8 May 2008  | I'm openly bi, and I feel I have to say your "man-overs" sound well gay. the only time I would ever consider strip games, is well when it's a few people that we all trust and wouldnt mind, it but never would I do it with three guys or even three other girls. Nor would I ever consider streaking, ever, mostly because a complete lack of faith in the descency of police. sexual harrasment FTL. Ya the police here are likely to take advantage of a naked girl in handcuffs. But even if they weren't I wouldnt want to run around naked in public. And for that typical male fantasy, yes, there have been two seperate occasions where it has ended in a all female naked pile. however they were for different reasons. first one was, a we were all drunk and this really bitchy chick came in, and stole our clothes, and moved us into a naked pile. and the second was well, it was a naked pile, nothing sexual there, well not for the rest of the nakedpile it was very awesome for me, all theother girls were strait. as for the manovers I would never have another female version, I've matured abit, and realised it's not as awesome as it sounds on paper. So no all female "woman-overs" unless it's intended to go somewhere, inshich case it's nolonger that it's something else entirely. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1011 Joined: 1 Dec 2007 |
Isn't the only aspect of homosexuality the buttsex? Or the finding guys sexually desirable? It seems what constitutes "gay" behavior is excessively large. |
Muckraker  Posts: 312 Joined: 25 Sep 2008 |
But if us girls were to do it, it'd be sexy and 'awesome', right? O.o |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2082 Joined: 12 May 2008 |
Fuck off. Being Gay in my eyes means you like Guys, not girls. I really don't care much about what's in the pants, I'm gender blind. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4794 Joined: 13 Feb 2008   |
I'd be a little careful...because at least 1 of those 7 will turn out to be gay. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1011 Joined: 1 Dec 2007 |
....hey sexy |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2082 Joined: 12 May 2008 | For the record, if you say another man is attractive, you are not straight. Gay = Attracted to Guys. Saying someone is attractive = Attracted to said someone. Thus You saying another man is attractive = GAY! |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1011 Joined: 1 Dec 2007 |
Probably. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4794 Joined: 13 Feb 2008 |
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Its simple.
There is a line.
Can a vegetarian be so comfortable in their choice of diet that they can eat meat?
Can a pacifist be so comfortable in their ethics they stomp old ladies in the street?
Can a freedom fighter be so comfortable in his politcal outlook that he abolishes democracy and rules with an iron fist?
Hell, seeing as we're all so comfortable in our heterosexuality lets strip down and kiss!
There are some actions that are so aligned with the 'other side' that they are displays of that 'other side'
Its not out of fear that guys don't like sleeping in a bed naked with other guys, its because its reasonable and probably correct to assume that this act is homosexual in nature or displaying aspects of homosexuality.
You can say "but nothing's going to happen!" but if that excused things i would squeeze a corpses lifeless blue breasts.
Thread defeated with style, 800xp to all involved.