you did the right thing. fighting shouldn't be a first resort and, as you tried to walk away, it seems u feel that way too. people like that who go around looking for fights need to be brought down a peg and good on you for being someone to do it. i bet the next time you bump into them they wont be so quick to mouth off.

I think i am more worried that when and if I run into them again they will have weapons and try to kill me. In which case I will either, die, disarm, or kill them.

The problem is you beat up one of them, they get brought back down a peg or two and then pick on someone else instead, someone who doesn't have the ability to fight back. It doesn't stop them, just means they don't harm you.

Travis Bickle:

Easykill:

Travis Bickle:

Danny Ocean:
Arys Tyr! Get down here!

Isn't he in some sort of military training facility?

... Who are you?

GOD

Damn, man, you need to sort this shit out.

Violence is the thing that keeps people under control, without fighting the world would be in anarchy, without fear of getting your ass kicked by either your peers, or the justice system the world would be corrupt beyond repair.

I choose my fights wisely, if someone much smaller than me thinks they can talk down to me, I'll tie their ass up like a Christmas present's bow, however, I'm also known for my psychological warfare on the big guys >:D .

AlphaLion:
I think i am more worried that when and if I run into them again they will have weapons and try to kill me. In which case I will either, die, disarm, or kill them.

if they do come after you then you should be able to do whatever you can to protect yourself. if they have weapons then thats all the more reason to make them go down before they make you go down permanently.

zhoomout:
The problem is you beat up one of them, they get brought back down a peg or two and then pick on someone else instead, someone who doesn't have the ability to fight back. It doesn't stop them, just means they don't harm you.

You might be right, but you've ignored something.

The ass thought that AlphaLion would be an easy mark. He was proven very, VERY wrong. If he has a single brain cell in his body, he'll be considering this the next time he tries to bully some one he thinks is weak.

Or alternatively he'll just bring on the fight with several buds. One person from my old school had seven people attack him at once in case he did turn out to be strong. Pack mentality is just as bad, no?

Also it did sound as though he could have run away, he didn't need to cause them any damage.

i say good job, i find its perfectly ok to fight, if someone else satrts it, u should never go out looking of roune, but i didnt so that fine.

its hard for me to have a reasonable opinion seeing as ive never been in a fight...

but there are alot of people who i no who need abit of sense knocked into them...i mean when i was in the final your of school the years 7s took us on daily...if any one of me or my friends were to attack one of them the wouldnt stand a chance, and ganging up doesnt work...
thank you for this post, reminds me of how glad i am to be rid of school ;)

zhoomout:
Also it did sound as though he could have run away, he didn't need to cause them any damage.

if he ran away they most likely would have chased after him and carried on anyway

It is not wrong to fight. Unless you are an instigator, then you can go to hell and i hope you get your ass kicked. Fighting isn't wrong it is natural, male humans fight for dominance and superiority just like other apes(so do female humans), I do not believe, however, that one should go looking for a fight, this is foolhardy and illogical, but people should defend themselves if they are brought into a fight, simply because the instigator should be cast down and put in their place.

zhoomout:
Or alternatively he'll just bring on the fight with several buds. One person from my old school had seven people attack him at once in case he did turn out to be strong. Pack mentality is just as bad, no?

Also it did sound as though he could have run away, he didn't need to cause them any damage.

His buddies got their asses handed to them as well. They won't be that eager to step in next time.

The pack mentality also leads to one key weakness: as soon as the leader goes down, the pack loses it's confidence. AlphaLion said that only a few of that guy's buddies tried to help. That's because most lose the will to fight when the leader is taken down.

That doesn't mean it is okay to though. I have been involved in enough fights (though never actually doing any fighting) to know that violence only leads to more violence. The more you fight back, the more they feel justified in attacking people in the first place.

zhoomout:
That doesn't mean it is okay to though. I have been involved in enough fights (though never actually doing any fighting) to know that violence only leads to more violence. The more you fight back, the more they feel justified in attacking people in the first place.

I agree totally, but sometimes violence is required (i.e. self-defence or the defence of another). It's not right ir wrong in these cases, it's just necessary.

Do you honestly think that allowing a bully to kick your ass is going to stop his violence any more than kicking his ass to defend yourself?

A rapier wit can't stop a hard right to your nose, although that would be kind of cool...

There's an old story about Ben Franklin that I think is quite relevant to this conversation, although I'm not sure if it's true or not.

At one time, a group of over-zealous patriots were chasing down Native Americans and killing them in the frontierlands of Pennsylvania. The Native Americans fled to the Quakers in Philadelphia for protection. The over-zealous patriots came to Philadelphia and resumed their slaughter. Because of their beliefs in non-violence, the Quakers didn't do anything to stop the massacre. Ben Franklin gathered the Pennsylvania militia, marched into Philadelphia, and killed or arrested everyone who was taking part in the massacre.

The violence was met with violence, and it stopped. It would have ceased on its own, but every Native American still in Pennsylvania would have been lynched.

To defend oneself or another, it is perfectly acceptable to do whatever is necessary to ensure that an attacker can no longer cause harm.

Defending yourself = cool. Sounds like you did the right thing.

Killing, on the other hand, is not cool, for the most part. Yeah, in war, you do what you gotta do, but if it's like one-on-one (or two, or ten), then killing should be a last resort.

Beowulf DW:

zhoomout:
That doesn't mean it is okay to though. I have been involved in enough fights (though never actually doing any fighting) to know that violence only leads to more violence. The more you fight back, the more they feel justified in attacking people in the first place.

I agree totally, but sometimes violence is required (i.e. self-defence or the defence of another). It's not right ir wrong in these cases, it's just necessary.

Do you honestly think that allowing a bully to kick your ass is going to stop his violence any more than kicking his ass to defend yourself?

A rapier wit can't stop a hard right to your nose, although that would be kind of cool...

There's an old story about Ben Franklin that I think is quite relevant to this conversation, although I'm not sure if it's true or not.

At one time, a group of over-zealous patriots were chasing down Native Americans and killing them in the frontierlands of Pennsylvania. The Native Americans fled to the Quakers in Philadelphia for protection. The over-zealous patriots came to Philadelphia and resumed their slaughter. Because of their beliefs in non-violence, the Quakers didn't do anything to stop the massacre. Ben Franklin gathered the Pennsylvania militia, marched into Philadelphia, and killed or arrested everyone who was taking part in the massacre.

The violence was met with violence, and it stopped. It would have ceased on its own, but every Native American still in Pennsylvania would have been lynched.

To defend oneself or another, it is perfectly acceptable to do whatever is necessary to ensure that an attacker can no longer cause harm.

I do see your point but as I say, having been attacked a few times myself and I never said I wouldn't defend myself, I just said I wouldn't hurt them. I would block and try to run away. Retreat is a form of defending oneself. Sorry, but as far as I can tell I've had no bully who originally intended on killing me, that is an entirely different ball game.

As was once said "if we lived in a completely eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth society, we'd all be blind and toothless".

It depends on the situation. If you fight for what your heart tells you is right, then its a good reason. If you do it just to hurt someone, i hope you get yours. I do not condone the actions of bullies. Them pussies shaped me into who I would become in high school. I was a very small kid up until 7th grade, It didn't help that I skipped 1st grade either. I got picked on a lot, but it made me learn how to take a punch and deal with pain. I learned how to stay calm in a fight and observe people to find their weaknesses. So after 7th grade I hit a growth spurt and became a bully bully. Whenever someone was getting picked on, I stood up for them no matter the consequences to myself. It made me feel alive. In the couple seconds it takes to win or lose a fight, i was in a weird state of bliss, time slows down and speeds up at the same time. I wish I could bottle that feeling. Even as a grown-man I find that i still like to be there to help someone out of a jam. Where I'm from there are a few hate groups that like to target minorities, like myself, in the areas. Whats cool is, if you beat them guys up you don't get in trouble with the police, good times.

fighting in general is wrong, but sometimes kickin someonein the face can be fun--

Well I think banging someone's head against a wall and kicking in the between is perfectly reasonable if used in self-defense. However the definition of the person you described is a total retard. The thing about people is that they're predictable, people like that eventually either become rejects or go to prison. In short... I hope you knocked a few teeth out.

I decided to put never as even though i see fighting it's usually because someone else fights either in the way they behave and talk or because they are attacked so it's wrong to fight as it creates fights.

Oh yeah i don't mean to down play you but don't try justifying yourself on this forum you either did the right thing or didn't no-one knows what happend except you.(Unless someone here knows you). You would have been better off walking away, you rose to his expectations and surpassed them, congratulations.

Travis Bickle:

AuntyEthel:
I don't support the troops, the war, or any American ideals.

I'm interested, why?

Well, being born and raised in a 3rd world country gives me a different opinion and outlook on the world and life in general. To outsiders, the "American Dream" is just kinda arrogant, and imposing it on other countries is kinda like fascism. Iraq never posed a threat to America like the Nazis did to Europe, so I think the whole war is bullshit. This is waaay off topic for this thread, but hey, you asked.

I can appreciate the sentiment of the OP and will say that fighting can be necessary when you're standing up for what you believe is right.

But I also look at the post and the profile thinking:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/gtawiki/images//9/9f/GTA_IV_Brucie_Kibbutz.jpg

BE GENETICALLY SUPERIOR, BRO!

LewsTherin's Code of Conduct:

1. Never start it
2. Make well known you plan on defending yourself
3. Try not to cause any serious injury.

Hell I sometimes am in a mood for a fight. When that happens I punch walls. As for people, I know there are people that don't necessarily like me, but I do my best to keep things civil: friendly jokes, acting comically aggressive, etc. I haven't been in a jaw-breaking, eye-blacking fight in my life.

That doesn't mean I'm all purrs & whines though. Give me a mercenary group that I can fight for, & I'll sign right up, just because I've got nothing to lose. If I was an American, I'd prolly join the army, if not for fighting, then at least to make sure that my fellow soldiers aren't going nuts &/or killing the wrong people. Give me training to run up walls & assassinate my target from long-range, & I'll forever honor my ninja master.

AlphaLion:
I don't choose my battles, they choose me.
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Eariler today, I beat the crap out of a couple a idiots. I had a good 50 pounds on them and martial arts training so I knew there was no way in hell they would win. Now I usually can keep my clam, but sometimes it just comes out, mostly when they think they can win by ganging up on me. Let me start at the beginning thou...

This morning, I woke up and did the usual saturday morning routine. Wake up, shower, eat, get dressed, play video games, call my friends. By 1:00 or 2:00 i usual head out, either to hang with my buds or my FB's. Depends how i'm feeling, but today I wanted to just take a nice walk down memorie lane. I visited an old neighboorhoud I used to live in(walked). I finally got to an old park I used to play in.

At the park I found this hot babe, sitting on a bench. So I do my thing. After awhile I(like a minute) I realized that it was an old friend! She used to be the only girl who hung out with me(I was dork, she was tomboy). So I start to catch up when A few guys come up to the bench. It was an old elementry school bully and his "gang". He starts by calling me old, cruel nicknames, telling me a loser could get his Maddi, etc...

Now clearly I give her my number I start to walk away. But no, no, no, he must try and make me look like a loser again, and intimdated me. Then he brings up shit about how he used to bully me and then he made his mistake. He brought my beilfs into it. I deeply respect the soldiers, and how brave they are. He goes on a rant, demoralizing them, me and my dead father. Then, to add to that, he tried and punched me.

I didn't realized that he'd hit me until the third time he hit me in the balls(what a dirtbag). He friends are laughing until I tear him a new one. I punch him in the gut and then smash him face into my knee. His friends try to help but most didn;t dare attack me, the few that did, got knocked out. They brought out my last resort beast. The chick in the mean time, called an ambluence(she was afraid before I was gonna get my ass kicked). After I finish him, the guys drag their friends away.

I still feel that I did the right thing, standing up to a past demon, for my beliefs, and for a cause. Is in wrong though to have hurt him, when I have some good amount of muscle and training on him? Was I wrong in hitting him? What about his friends? They were just trying to stick up for a buddy(even though he is an asshole).

What about fighting in general? Is it wrong to hurt, or even kill people? Like think as fighting in general, from war to school yard.

I think that fighting for a cause is possible, or even between to guys who agree to fight each other, not because they have problems but because they want to try. Although, I think of it as a last resort tool.

Fear the red mist!

My first solution is to talk the person down or just leave, but when physically pushed like yourself, everything turns a shade of red and I become uncontrollable and won't stop attacking until they are lying bleeding or I'm dragged away.. It's only happened twice in my life and most people consider me a gentle giant, incapable of losing my temper.

You did the right thing and should be complimented for restraining yourself for as long as you did (I think martial arts training helps in that regard). I'm 31 now but I swear if the guy who bullied me in primary school came up to me and gave me crap about my sporting ability, I'd break both his arms in a heartbeat.

I was in the Marine Corps for training when a chick who was in the FRP (Female Readiness Platoon, I was in there to recover from kidney damage and was on No Duty) decided I was a threat because of rumors. Now this girl was built. And I mean that she put most of the men I know to shame. Anyways, after hearing a rumor I was going to kick her ass, she jumped me on the Head. (for those of you without military training, the toilet) She kicked me in the face before I could respond to what was going on. The only thing I could do was duck my head and take the beating. Bad thing for her was, later that night another recruit pissed this same girl off. She was belittling our Senior Drill Instructors little girl.

The one that jumped me jumped the other girl. It took three other girls to hold her back. When they let her go, she lunged again. What took three girls took just me. I ended up taking all my anger out on her in a single blow. All I did was drop my shoulder, rammed it into her stomach, and drove her back into the wall. She literally doubled over my back as the wind drove from her lungs. I left a decent sized bruise on her chest where my shoulder drove up after hitting her stomach.

Needless to say, when I let her off the wall, she didn't move towards the girl again. When they asked for volunteers for Night Watch, I was the first to volunteer. The girl wasn't the least bit grateful, but had the smarts to keep her mouth shut for the rest of the day. The only time I had to relax was about three days later. I was basically put on "Guard Duty" for this recruits safety. And the one that jumped me learned the hard way that in a fair fight, I'd have won.

The kicker here is, the one that jumped me was considered "Head Bitch" by the other Recruits. After I nearly dropped her like I did, everyone shut up about me being a push over.

I never start fights, and I usually try to avoid fights. Never took any "real" self-defense classes. What can I say, I'm a lover, not a fighter.

I think that self-defence is the obvious answer, but I am more interested in your global opinion. No, I do not think war is wrong, I think some wars had to be fought, were a just cause. But some I think are a mistake. I am of the opinion that our modern conflicts in the middle east are a big mistake. I do not, of course, blame the soldiers for this, it is the politicians who seem to have bollocksed it all up. And on a more personal level, I am considered pretty... resilient. I don't get angry very easily, although some of the more violent fights between some of my family and I may say otherwise, but I guess the only really true fight I've been in was while waiting for a train with some friends of mine. Let me explain...

On weekdays I get the same train home from school and one day a group of neds decide to have a go at me. The same four neds piss me off every day for a week, until one fateful Friday when they choose and incredibly bad time to pick a fight. I'm with the hardest kid in our year, and a couple of my friends who are also pretty tough. We're also all very peaceful, but these pricks pushed me to the damn limit. All four of us were hanging in a waiting room, the kind with perspex windows for walls. The neds, bringing some backup bringing their numbers up to seven total, come in for a little harassment. Bear in mind that we're only thirteen and these guys had to be at least fifteen, one a little older and one a little younger. Now, it took a good half hour for us to rise to the bait, but my god was it a furious fight. Between us, we destroyed them. It went like this - Two of them tried to restrain me, nutting one of them, I turn and get in a few hits to the stomach of the second one. In these few seconds, the oldest couple have gone for my friend who is extremely tough. He quite literally catches them by the the forearms and swings them behind him into the wall, then turning and laying into them. A third goes for him after seeing this, and tries to punch him. I lunge for his left arm, while friend grabs his other, and between us we throw him through the perspex. The last pair have been going for one of my other friends and have got him pinned, and just as the one that received a few blows to the stomach earlier rises, three of us pull of the attackers and smack his head off of the metal chair, knocking out a couple of teeth. The few still standing run. The one we threw through the window has a broken wrist and a dislocated shoulder while there are plenty of bruises and bloody noses all round. We were told that it was self-defence but we're not allowed in that waiting room any more. How strange...