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Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 858 Joined: 10 Nov 2007     | |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 858 Joined: 10 Nov 2007 | And, of course, the fact that the OP couldn't understand Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, one of the best anime series of recent years, pretty much invalidates his opinion on anime full stop. |
Paperboy  Posts: 41 Joined: 17 Dec 2007   | You watched "Ikkitousen", the show that's entire reason for existing is the stripping of women. I wouldn't take that as a complete example of anime. I'd recommend Death Note, Code Geass, and Ghost in the Shell as a more general appeal for the style. Claymore, Cardcaptor Sakura, Gunslinger Girl, Solty Rei, and Nadesico are more "niche" series you might want to take a look into. And if you love soap operas, there's always ".hack//sign" |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 8 Joined: 17 Oct 2007 | FYI... "Howl's Moving Castle" was a loose adaptation (character development & part of the plot converted to generic 'anime' types) of a young-adult novel of the same name by U.K. author Diana Wynne Jones. It can't quite be used in comparisons of good/bad anime, since the underlying story wasn't written by somebody even remotely connected to the industry. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3925 Joined: 2 Dec 2007    | Wow guys, 3 pages. Who knew huh? Anyway, I just read through everyone's comments and agree with most of you. I do enjoy some anime, the stylish ones, but this rant was mostly aimed at the shit that pouring out at the moment (mostly due to the rise of the net and the global age: www.crunchyroll.com). I really hate this massive fanbase of anime fanboys and girls that dress up like their favourite characters. These are the people who think all anime are great and should be worshiped night and day.
I understood it (aside form the freaky lightshow ending). It just sucked in terms of script and characters. The part with the girl stabbing her own head with the knife had me laughing until my sides hurt.
Some hentia's fine, yopu just have to fight your way past the dickgirls, the incest, watermellon boobs, tenticles, rape, fetishes, etc. Haveing sexual tension in anime is just pathetic. It's basically calling out for fanservice and trying to promot itself that way. When you get shows that are basically porn but without the porn, it really hurts to watch and just drags the whole story down shit creek and dumps it there.
The truth. Basically summed up what I said about the sexual tension. The need for panty shots is degrading to the viewer. Well, at least I felt degraded by watching it.
"Mind Crush!" It shows how stupid Yu Gi Oh really is, what with everyone playing a card game... to determine the outcome of the future!!! But then, I didn't need to watch the abridged to realise how crap it was.
Not that it's unbelieveable, just crap. If you can make some believe in the ridiculous and make them believe that, then it's truly great. I'm saying, I hate shit that's so unbelieveable and has no style or form to make you believe in it at all. Things like that rollerskating-battle-show-thing (I really should start reaserching what I write about) are crap because in no way does it try to entice the viewer. "Let's roller blade to the death team!" *changes channel*
Haha, well played sir.
Some people like eating poo too. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 858 Joined: 10 Nov 2007 |
If you think the "ending" is the end of the sixth story (the one with the rooftop bit), you don't understand it. There's a whole second season which turns everything you think you know about what you've seen on it's head. Also, your summary indicates that you have not paid very much attention to the show. Higurashi is a mystery series. It's designed so that you have to put some effort into working out exactly what is going on.
Why is sexual tension "pathetic" in anime? Do you have the same response to it in any other media? If you do, you should probably seek some kind of psychiatric assistance for your sex aversion problems. Oh, wait, I just read your next sentence and you actually don't know what sexual tension means. You seem to think it means display of sexual characteristics to entice viewership (commonly called fanservice), rather than dramatic tension arising out of sexual attraction, overt or implied, between two or more individuals (characters in a fiction, in the case of anime). Really, showing that you blatantly don't understand terms you're throwing around and criticising series you haven't actually paid a scrap of attention to doesn't make you look clever. Nor, in fact, does attempting to dismiss an entire medium of fiction because you don't like some examples of it. |
Paperboy  Posts: 31 Joined: 9 Apr 2008   | My favorite anime series/movies are gundam, appleseed, and robotech. But of course the best is HAMTARO!!!!! |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3925 Joined: 2 Dec 2007 | I dislike Higurashi for it's dislogue and terrible characters. I know all about the second season about the girl trying to find through the different realities the one where no one dies. My friends raped it all down my ear. I still hate the show. I've been trying to watch it, it's just too hard for me to get into. It's just terrible. I don't even care enough about the characters to make me want to work out the mysteries. Like an old 80's hammer horror, you don't give two shits about the teens, you want them all dead. As for the sexual tension in anime, what I ment was that they use it to promot itself. Their's sexual tension in NG:E but yet no panty shots or incest like (insert bad anime name here). Sorry if I mis-wrote what I was trying to say. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 102 Joined: 14 Apr 2008 | I'm absolutely in love with Studio Ghibli's work, even if the movies are somewhat for kids. Something about them invokes the same feelings that old RPGs like Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger used to invoke. Just the music and the beautiful scenery makes for a magical experience. Yeah, I'm a dork. |
Muckraker  Posts: 237 Joined: 22 Jan 2008 |
so now you're complaining about incest, damn man are you against EVERYTHING fun? joking... seriously i was kidding it's been my experience that the gratuitus panty shots in anime aren't about getting people excited or trying to make people watch the anime, it tends to be used like physical comedy. a friend of mine bought me one called "agent aika" it had absolutley no sex or nudity in it but 90% of it was panty shots, it was technically a comedy designed just to be silly, i had a couple good laughs at it. when it comes to things being beleivable or unbeleivable in context i basically boil it down to "does this make the anime more fun" if it does that i'll let it go, if it makes the anime less fun it has to be an interesting or unique concept. in baki the grappler some guy on alot of steriods started puking up green slime in the middle of a fight, after doing that his muscles shrunk and he went from beheamoth to lanky in 30 seconds, now in a fighter anime having a really skinny weak guy is dumb. but then he started using his arms like they were whips and that made the fight alot better. so even though it's kinda dumb the concept is really interesting so i actually liked it alot. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 170 Joined: 9 Apr 2008 | - there are a LOT of really good animes out there, many of which arent built around sex - the reason there are so many animes out there obsessed with sex appeal is because porn is illegal in japan, so there is a big market for sex, even if the storyline sucks. (animes and mangas have taken great care to thoroughly test their boundarys and what the gov't considers "porn", resulting in many animes that would very easily be considered porn in the places like the USA) - you say you dont hate anime, but yet you practicly imply that anime is an insult to the very human race (tho may be true in some animes, but not all) like you said, anime is an intire type of media, so you shouldnt judge an intire media on just a single example |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 858 Joined: 10 Nov 2007 |
So how exactly are you rating the dialogue? Either you're significantly more fluent in Japanese than the horrific lingusitic butchery of your posts indicates you are with English, or your competence to make that judgement is significantly impaired by the fact that you are talking about a language you are not fluent in.
I think we're arriving at a point. Now, if you don't like the characters for personal subjective reasons, that could colour your impression of the show as a whole, but that doesn't mean the show itself is bad, just that you personally don't like it (and that you have no taste). Of course, it's probably too much to expect intellectually honest criticism on the internet, because people are just interested in screeching and hyperbole. But when your hyperbole is so easily deflated, using it just makes you look stupid. (and reduces my surprise that you don't appear to like any complex TV shows, like Higurashi, or I saw digs at what was likely Code Geass). |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 125 Joined: 2 Feb 2008  | Sounds like you don't like some of the anime series you've seen and have a general stereotypical opinion of something you don't understand - and therefore feel the need to post a rant about how much it sucks. Pretty similar to people who rant against certain genres of books, or music, or movies, or video games, or sports. If you don't like it, in lieu of telling people on a forum that it sucks, just don't watch it. And post opinions with substance, since "Anime sucks for the following reasons" isn't really a review. I like many different series. No differently to how I like different movies and books. |
Paperboy  Posts: 42 Joined: 15 Feb 2008 | @Purple Rain's original post: I've watched a lot of anime as well (and still intend to watch some more), and I know that most of them lack quality, but I don't stop watching them because I would miss jewels like "Samurai Champloo". Don't let fanboiz ruin everything for you, if we were to listen to them, we would be glorifying Halo 3 on the whole forum. And don't criticize the lack of physics and common sense in Animes/Mangas, unless it's intended to be super-uber-realistic, it's just pointless... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3320 Joined: 24 Apr 2008   | Why does Halo 3 get beaten up the moment fanboys are mentioned? Anime is weird, thats the point. some is over-the-top crap, but thats the same for any media. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 146 Joined: 25 Sep 2007 |
- Funny you should mention that, I just finished watching Seasons 2 and what was released of Season 3 (up to ep 13) and it's a fantastic series! The writing and voice acting for the show are so, so good and the animation quality is excellent. I suppose when you're not cutting out scenes like they do for anime then you're getting a much purer story experience. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 858 Joined: 10 Nov 2007 |
Avatar is a great show, chock full of kung fu fireball shooting goodness, with almost none of the filler that equivalent shounen anime series inevitably descend into because they try and stretch a couple of seasons worth of arc out to nine million episodes. One Piece, Inu Yasha, Dragonball, Naruto, Bleach, and many others illustrate this perfectly. It's an object lesson in knowing exactly where you're going before you start writing an arc, and having a predetermined fixed number of episodes in which to get there, so you know exactly where to put all the chekovs guns, when to fire them, and what at, and don't get to pad your show with entire seasons' worth of filler because you just want to milk the fanbase some more. (Not exclusive to anime either. Western TV fans may recognise this as "X-Files Disease"). Avatar as a story will stop at 61 episodes. If there is a fourth season, it will not follow Aang or any of the (major) characters we have yet seen. Pity Nickelodeon seem to disagree, to the extent that by the time they actually get around to showing the episodes, everyone's already seen them from the bloody DVD rips (The Boiling Rock), and it's not coming back on until July or some damn thing like that. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 109 Joined: 29 Dec 2007 |
For mentioning Robotech rather than any of the anime it's derived from, you officially hate anime. |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 7 Joined: 25 Mar 2008 | Errr... Digimon is American.... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 6378 Joined: 28 Nov 2007    | My number one problem with anime is illustrated with this picture....
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Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 858 Joined: 10 Nov 2007 | Yes. Damn those red anime Xs. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 858 Joined: 10 Nov 2007 |
No, it isn't. |
Paperboy Posts: 42 Joined: 15 Feb 2008 |
I confirm this statement. Digimon are Japanese, like all "thingiemons". |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 6378 Joined: 28 Nov 2007 |
Sorry, something screwed up. Link is right here. NOT THE BLOODY LOZ CHARACTER. Sorry, those jokes get old. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1815 Joined: 14 Nov 2007  | I dunno who it was who recommended 'Gankutsuou', but whoever you are (I'll re-read the thread later), cheers mightily. One of the best anime's I've ever seen. Purple, if you're looking for an anime with some actual depth to it, check it out. |
Paperboy  Posts: 41 Joined: 9 Jan 2008 | Samurai Pizza Cats (Hilarious series) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3415 Joined: 23 Dec 2007  | Call me ignorant and Racist, I almost guarrenteed will never like anime. Myazaki and Ghost in the Shell exempt. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 858 Joined: 10 Nov 2007 |
The final episode of Excel Saga is one of it's finest jokes. It's written specifically to violate each and every single broadcast standard for Japanese TV, down to being exactly a minute too long for a TV timeslot. The episode title? "Going Too Far". |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 2 Joined: 26 Mar 2008 | Your friend has horrible taste, and is a pervert. Watch the Ghost in the Shell series, GiTS Stand Alone Complex and 2nd Gig. They are great shows. Deep, complex, animated well. Plus it's not full of 9 year old girls. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 70 Joined: 23 Apr 2008 | How shall I start this, probably at the very beginning would be a good idea. I started watching anime because nothing else on British TV was any good. Bland, brainless, repetitive, and downright annoying, the whole bloody lot of it. Then this friend of mine comes along at starts bugging me about this thing he had once seen called anime. In fact he started bugging me, and others quite a lot, up to the point when it became rather irritating. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3925 Joined: 2 Dec 2007 | Ok, you guys caught me out (even though I don't think I said I hate all anime, just the crap ones). Here's Purple Rain's list of anime that rocks the socks off a mongoos: -Neon Genesis Evangelion All of those are original to a point and are great fun to watch for its style of great characters. There are a few others I want to watch but haven't gotten around to yet. Oh, I didn't really like Ninja Scroll. It might have been to over hyped, but I did like that bog guy with the huge knife. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 864 Joined: 7 Mar 2008  | I can't watch most of the anime you guys are mentioning, but I've heard of them. The only thing I can say, really, is I don't like Bleach because I imagined a lot of things differently (I blame DBZ, personally). Also, the voices aren't as subtle as I'd have hoped. Another thing that bugs me, why is it that the people that dub Bleach feel the need to pause mid-sentence? I could almost understand if they were reading directly from the Manga, but it kinda ticks me off. People shouldn't talk like that. And for the record, I imagined Ichigo sounding like Spike. Dunno why... Apologies for adding so little to the conversation. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 87 Joined: 17 Feb 2008 | 90% of anything is terrible. Some anime has no redeeming qualities at all, Ikkitousen is a great example. I couldn't sit through 10 minutes of that show and I love anime. There are plenty of poorly written, poorly thought out pieces of crap that don't deserve your time. In which case, we don't have to watch them. The quality of the translation and voice acting in Japanese->English dubs is so poor that I have a problem watching them at all. I just don't understand what is so hard about voice acting that they can get people who are ostensibly professional voice actors who sound like they just picked up random people off the street and told them to act "with intensity". Because of this I would rather read the subtitles. And no, Digimon is not American. |
No, it was some Japanese jackasses' idea to create a word that was easier to say than "animation", which gets really horribly mangled if you try and render it into Japanese.