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This is perfect for proof on how bad fanboys can be.

Ive seen so many people call others Trolls or Flame-Baiters, just because they dont think a game is the best thing since utterly butterly. These people seem to think opinion is reserved for what your favourite character/stage/attack is, and that everyone loves the game, no matter what.

I think Brawl has highlighted this, due to the sheer amount of people who have praised it, so when someone has a genuine opinion and can see a problem or a flaw, the fanboys just pounce on them, trying to banish it to hell like some undead spawn of satan.

But Ive seen this plenty of times, not just from Nintendo fanboys. 360 fanboys (Especially Halo) and PS3 fanboys (Most exclusives) can be just as bad.

Another great rant! lol @ the fanboys
They shouldn't come on here if they're ThaT sensitive. Believe it or not -games might be in for some harsh feedback if they appear on this site. -So dont look so dam surprised!!

I agree with xanrethan on that.

Interesting bit of trivia here. Of the last 21 posts, 11 of them were stuff like "You're right Yahtzee, brawl is shit and Nintendo Fanboys suck". Interesting from a forum that is supposedly Inhabitted by rabid Nintendo Fanboys.

played,
i can't wait for your gta4 review yet i want it now....:-(

ps ,enjoy your censored australian version :-(

Yahtzee's a cool guy, eh writes reviews and doesn't afraid of anything.

MattDark:
But Ive seen this plenty of times, not just from Nintendo fanboys. 360 fanboys (Especially Halo) and PS3 fanboys (Most exclusives) can be just as bad.

But we weren't. :3

Indigo_Dingo:
Interesting bit of trivia here. Of the last 21 posts, 11 of them were stuff like "You're right Yahtzee, brawl is shit and Nintendo Fanboys suck". Interesting from a forum that is supposedly Inhabitted by rabid Nintendo Fanboys.

Interesting bit of trivia here. Best way to get the gist of any large group is a random sample, not a continuous section. The larger the sample, the more relevant the data!

Patronizing:

He doesn't want fanboys around, he's made that abundantly clear.

Yahtzee's fanbase consists of people who are tired of ignorant fanboys infesting the internet, and who enjoy seeing them get their asses handed to them.

Incorrect. Yahtzee's fan base consists of Yahtzee fan boys, who seem to like to attack other fan boys for whatever it is they are fans of. Which seems to be the very nature of fan-boydom itself:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboy

You sir, fail. Yahtzee's fanbase cannot be tired of fan boys if they are a bunch of fan boys themselves!

Are you honestly so naive that you think anyone even CARES about your opinion on a videogame? A word of advice: they don't.

Are you honestly so naive that you think anyone even CARES about your opinion on their posts?
A word of advice: they don't.

lindsay40k:
I'll give this review a 7.

No one will probably notice this, but I think this comment was hilarious. If lindsay is a girl, I'll bow down and grovel at her feet. A guy? Well, I guess, maybe we could play a game together?

ETA: oops, my bad. I forgot to actually say something about the review (and it was one, just not of a game). I like these sort of "talk back to the community" things. Also, I was glad to actually read some fanboy comments, as I stayed away from the SSBB thread when I realized how long it was in such a short time.

xanrethan:
My own takeaway from the whole ordeal: A mediocre party game was trashed and fans tried weakly to rationalize their purchase by either discrediting Yahtzee (though he has not made any claims to his own skill, instead, lets his sharp wit do the talking for him) or trying to assert their opinion on the good aspects of SSBB in some malformed hope this might superimpose itself upon Yahtzee's opinion. This led to much drama and now this, which is only fueling the fanboy fire.

Have i encapsulated the gist of all 1500 posts without reading them? Or am I missing something? :3

That's a fairly good assessment of the situation except for two things. Regardless of whether Brawl is mediocre or not, it isn't just a party game. It can be a party game if it's set up in a certain way, but it turns into a very deep fighter if you set it up a different way. In other words, it's versatile. The huge tournament community set up around Melee, the previous game in the series, should be enough evidence for anyone that the game's depth goes far beyond a simple party game. There are plenty of Youtube videos of matches between pros, and the things they do are far beyond anything a beginning player could hope to do.

Secondly, many of the people who dislike Brawl have never played it. Their hate seems to stem more from the fact that it says "Nintendo" on it than from any of the legitimate flaws the game actually has. In the same vein, Yahtzee played the game and gave it a bad review. People aren't pissed that he didn't like it; they're pissed that he went on to say, "Not only is this a bad game, only extremely ignorant people will like this game. Since the game has no other redeeming features, liking it is evidence that you're a fanboy. Not liking it is evidence of enlightenment."

People are pissed because (in general) they don't like being insulted. Yahtzee's review lumps the people who like Brawl as a legitimate fighting game in with the fanboys that everyone is so quick to disparage. It doesn't create a middle ground where people can agree to disagree, and that's why people are pissed off.

g31st:

That's a fairly good assessment of the situation except for two things. Regardless of whether Brawl is mediocre or not, it isn't just a party game. It can be a party game if it's set up in a certain way, but it turns into a very deep fighter if you set it up a different way. In other words, it's versatile. The huge tournament community set up around Melee, the previous game in the series, should be enough evidence for anyone that the game's depth goes far beyond a simple party game. There are plenty of Youtube videos of matches between pros, and the things they do are far beyond anything a beginning player could hope to do.

Secondly, many of the people who dislike Brawl have never played it. Their hate seems to stem more from the fact that it says "Nintendo" on it than from any of the legitimate flaws the game actually has. In the same vein, Yahtzee played the game and gave it a bad review. People aren't pissed that he didn't like it; they're pissed that he went on to say, "Not only is this a bad game, only extremely ignorant people will like this game. Since the game has no other redeeming features, liking it is evidence that you're a fanboy. Not liking it is evidence of enlightenment."

People are pissed because (in general) they don't like being insulted. Yahtzee's review lumps the people who like Brawl as a legitimate fighting game in with the fanboys that everyone is so quick to disparage. It doesn't create a middle ground where people can agree to disagree, and that's why people are pissed off.

I've never understood why people such as yourself read so much into his reviews. He didn't even discuss those of you who have legitimate gripes. He just found his mailbag full of hilarious non-arguments, and, since he wasn't quite ready with the GTA:IV review, he thought, what the heck. I'll let other people enjoy my fun

If you will actually take the time to go back through the "review archives", you'll find that Yahtzee often did listen to people. He's all for improving his craft, if he gets legitimate feedback. He just doesn't make it too obvious, or it would hurt his persona. But he does listen. I mean, he never did that FMV thing again, did he?

xanrethan:

MattDark:
But Ive seen this plenty of times, not just from Nintendo fanboys. 360 fanboys (Especially Halo) and PS3 fanboys (Most exclusives) can be just as bad.

But we weren't. :3

If you're talking about the Halo 3 review, you also weren't insulted repeatedly for liking the game. That review tore the game apart by pointing out its actual flaws. The Brawl review "tore" the game apart by calling anyone who likes it enough to get good at it a cat-ear-wearing fanboy. I can almost guarantee that there wouldn't have been 1500 comments if the Brawl review had been a review of the game's flaws instead of the game's fanbase.

I think my cousins put it best when they said, "It's a fun game, but it has a steep learning curve." As such, without playing at someones house, who has everything unlocked, who knows what they are doing, who can help you out, then the game is doomed to fail. Especially because Nintendo seems to try and justify rehashing the game by just making it more and more chaotic each generation.

Er, but I also think Mr. Forsooth said it best when he said,

Forsooth and Pi:

This week's video is not about Brawl, but rather all the angry fanboys who responded to Yahtzee after the review for Brawl. Granted, I'm sure some of the fanboys had valid reasons for why the review wasn't up to par, which weren't included in the video, and another rant about hatemail is not the review we all wanted to see, but it was funny and will bide us over until next week. At the very least, this week's episode was filler. If you didn't like it, treat it as such. If you have an opinion on the game itself, post in the other massive thread.

Even if I didn't like this review, and I did, I'd be happy that Yahtzee didn't rush a game for his review this week, and is instead fiddling around with GTA IV. The game is huge, and I'm sure it would be difficult to cram it into one week. And as filler, a rant in reply to hatemail is always hillarious. Yahtzee seemed to be channeling Maddox this week.

The amount people care about one game is hilarious. It's like football (soccer to yanks) you are hated by someone no matter what side you are on! (hated is a strong word I know)

g31st:

xanrethan:
My own takeaway from the whole ordeal: A mediocre party game was trashed and fans tried weakly to rationalize their purchase by either discrediting Yahtzee (though he has not made any claims to his own skill, instead, lets his sharp wit do the talking for him) or trying to assert their opinion on the good aspects of SSBB in some malformed hope this might superimpose itself upon Yahtzee's opinion. This led to much drama and now this, which is only fueling the fanboy fire.

Have i encapsulated the gist of all 1500 posts without reading them? Or am I missing something? :3

That's a fairly good assessment of the situation except for two things. Regardless of whether Brawl is mediocre or not, it isn't just a party game. It can be a party game if it's set up in a certain way, but it turns into a very deep fighter if you set it up a different way. In other words, it's versatile. The huge tournament community set up around Melee, the previous game in the series, should be enough evidence for anyone that the game's depth goes far beyond a simple party game. There are plenty of Youtube videos of matches between pros, and the things they do are far beyond anything a beginning player could hope to do.

Secondly, many of the people who dislike Brawl have never played it. Their hate seems to stem more from the fact that it says "Nintendo" on it than from any of the legitimate flaws the game actually has. In the same vein, Yahtzee played the game and gave it a bad review. People aren't pissed that he didn't like it; they're pissed that he went on to say, "Not only is this a bad game, only extremely ignorant people will like this game. Since the game has no other redeeming features, liking it is evidence that you're a fanboy. Not liking it is evidence of enlightenment."

People are pissed because (in general) they don't like being insulted. Yahtzee's review lumps the people who like Brawl as a legitimate fighting game in with the fanboys that everyone is so quick to disparage. It doesn't create a middle ground where people can agree to disagree, and that's why people are pissed off.

Ok, lets leave the issue of whether or not brawl is good or bad - its all personal and subjective. I do have to say that you've read wayyyyyy to much into the last statement he made on the SSBB - he says IF you are a fanboy of Nintendo, you WILL then enjoy it irregardless of whatever the game is like. I.e. A => B, not B => A. He's not saying IF you like SSBB, your a fanboy.

Anywho... I wonder if the post count here will exceed the SSBB one?

"Secondly, many of the people who dislike Brawl have never played it."

That's true for any game, but no smoke without fire...

I've played it, and my 2-sentence review would be: A lot of game for your money, but you're likely to get bored before you've managed to unlock everything.

"The huge tournament community set up around Melee, the previous game in the series, should be enough evidence for anyone that the game's depth goes far beyond a simple party game"

Stop right there. Any game with a the smallest bit of skill or excitment involved can become a tournament game. Just take Poker for instance : P I find it far more likely that a large number of people had fun with a game, and that to continue having fun with it they would have to seek out good enough opposition. Tournaments start that way.

E-mail him more! Do it! WE NEED MORE OF THESE!

(See Yahtzee, you give us ANY attention, and it brings you more misery.)

trlkly:
I've never understood why people such as yourself read so much into his reviews. He didn't even discuss those of you who have legitimate gripes.

You're correct. The fact that he didn't discuss any of the legitimate gripes with his review might not have been so bad if he hadn't said at the very beginning of his "showdown" that he would respond to some of the "slightly more valid arguments" that people had had. There were no valid arguments in his review. He chose emails that made the so-called Brawl Defenders look stupid. I hoped for a bit better from him, but wasn't surprised that he didn't own up to any of the legitimate complaints people had.

He just found his mailbag full of hilarious non-arguments, and, since he wasn't quite ready with the GTA:IV review, he thought, what the heck. I'll let other people enjoy my fun

I'm not sure if you read the forum thread which resulted from his actual Brawl review. Since I don't have access to his email, I will never actually know what was in his inbox, but there were so many legitimate gripes in that forum thread that I'll bet his mailbag was full of a lot more than just "hilarious non-arguments". To posit that there wasn't a single email in his entire inbox with a legitimate point would be stupid, yet he didn't address any of the valid arguments in his actual "showdown".

If you will actually take the time to go back through the "review archives", you'll find that Yahtzee often did listen to people. He's all for improving his craft, if he gets legitimate feedback. He just doesn't make it too obvious, or it would hurt his persona. But he does listen. I mean, he never did that FMV thing again, did he?

I've watched practically every video he has on the Escapist website. I haven't read any text reviews, so if you're talking about those, I don't have any comments to make. I will say this, though: The gripes that people have with his Brawl review have very little to do with him "improving his craft". The reason that people are pissed off is that he didn't perform his craft in the first place when he reviewed Brawl. People expected a review of the game, and got a review of Nintendo fanboys instead.

What's more, it wasn't just a review of fanboys. Using his review, he neatly lumped the people who enjoy Brawl as a deep fighting game and the people who enjoy Brawl out of loyalty to Nintendo in the same group and labeled them all "ignorant". It was insulting, plain and simple. Before you tell me that Yahtzee entertains people using insults, understand that there is a difference between trashing a game based on its actual flaws and trashing a game because of a predisposition you have towards its audience.

I thought G31t's summary of the situation was a good one. Ignoring the quality of the game, I am not a Nintendo fanboy, I think the Wii is a stupid name and I dislike games such as Metroid Prime 3 and Zelda: Twilight princess but I like Brawl and I object to being called a fanboy on that basis...

The barb is particularly sharp because calling someone a fanboy is pretty much the worst insult on the internet.

Hah! Neat.

I still wonder why people insist on taking Yahtzee's "reviews" so seriously.

g31st:

xanrethan:
My own takeaway from the whole ordeal: A mediocre party game was trashed and fans tried weakly to rationalize their purchase by either discrediting Yahtzee (though he has not made any claims to his own skill, instead, lets his sharp wit do the talking for him) or trying to assert their opinion on the good aspects of SSBB in some malformed hope this might superimpose itself upon Yahtzee's opinion. This led to much drama and now this, which is only fueling the fanboy fire.

Have i encapsulated the gist of all 1500 posts without reading them? Or am I missing something? :3

That's a fairly good assessment of the situation except for two things. Regardless of whether Brawl is mediocre or not, it isn't just a party game. It can be a party game if it's set up in a certain way, but it turns into a very deep fighter if you set it up a different way. In other words, it's versatile. The huge tournament community set up around Melee, the previous game in the series, should be enough evidence for anyone that the game's depth goes far beyond a simple party game. There are plenty of Youtube videos of matches between pros, and the things they do are far beyond anything a beginning player could hope to do.

Secondly, many of the people who dislike Brawl have never played it. Their hate seems to stem more from the fact that it says "Nintendo" on it than from any of the legitimate flaws the game actually has. In the same vein, Yahtzee played the game and gave it a bad review. People aren't pissed that he didn't like it; they're pissed that he went on to say, "Not only is this a bad game, only extremely ignorant people will like this game. Since the game has no other redeeming features, liking it is evidence that you're a fanboy. Not liking it is evidence of enlightenment."

People are pissed because (in general) they don't like being insulted. Yahtzee's review lumps the people who like Brawl as a legitimate fighting game in with the fanboys that everyone is so quick to disparage. It doesn't create a middle ground where people can agree to disagree, and that's why people are pissed off.

Hmm. So i read a couple of the last posts in the last little bit and I agree partly with what you said before and here. Specifically, that his review may have extended somewhat to it's fanbase. However, the thing I have a problem with is that this clearly ad hominem argument made by a reviewer well known for exaggeration (If this is your first review that you've seen, then perhaps you may not have known, but because you mention Halo 3 in a previous post, I assume you've seen at least enough to know this). He bashes game companies and gamers alike. That I liked Halo was irrelevant, I thought it was a funny review and I've been watching them since, albeit somewhat quietly. The 1000 post sensation is what it took for me to come out of hiding and give my share of a round of applause for Yahtzee. Whether you view his opinions of SSBB (and by extension, it's fanbase, as described and crudely lumped together by him) as a Self-Fulfilling prophesy or merely inflammatory is irrelevant. He clearly wants traffic, so the worst thing any individual could do to him at this point is stop watching altogether.

The second thing I don't quite understand are tourneyf... players. A game that is hyped and released as a party game being simultaneously treated as a serious fighter somewhat irks me; much the same way as it would if someone were to defend, say, Half Life 2 from his rant, trying to state how one can use the physics engine in a Gary's Mod sort of way to make their own physics puzzles as a sort of defense against any ill he may have had against the single player campaign. Granted this example is slightly weak due to my current fatigue, but I hope you understand the point I'm getting at: He played the game as a party game and reviewed it as a party game. Trying to look at it from a different perspective to argue his is a bit contrived.

For the record, i've played brawl, melee and the original. My favorite, honestly, was the first one. There wasn't any real reason I could think of for not liking melee as much. It's practically the same game with more bells and whistles. Granted he didn't mention not playing the previous two games, like he had mentioned in reviewing Halo 3 outright, you could at least infer it from his mention of confusion surrounding Marth.

Doug:
Ok, lets leave the issue of whether or not brawl is good or bad - its all personal and subjective. I do have to say that you've read wayyyyyy to much into the last statement he made on the SSBB - he says IF you are a fanboy of Nintendo, you WILL then enjoy it irregardless of whatever the game is like. I.e. A => B, not B => A. He's not saying IF you like SSBB, your a fanboy.

Anywho... I wonder if the post count here will exceed the SSBB one?

You can imply a lot without being explicit. That's what masters of language are good at.

It's easy enough to examine the logic regarding the last bit of the video. Your logic regarding his words is correct. If you look at the images in the video, there's a gleeful fanboy with the words "HURR HURR IGNORANCE" over his head while Yahtzee's disparaging the fanboys who like Brawl "whatever its faults". Even though you can't logically get "if you like SSBB, you're a fanboy" from his words, the image says pretty clearly that the group of people who do like Brawl "don't get it" at best and are borderline retarded at worst. So, someone who's not a fanboy and who's asking themselves "Would I like Brawl?" need only ask themselves, "Do I get games?" or "Am I borderline retarded?" What do you suppose their answer would be?

In addition, I'm not sure if you remember, but there was an earlier part in the review where he was talking about "that guy". In that section of the review, he said that anyone who cared enough about playing Brawl to become good at it would seek out other "that guys" for the sake of some competition, and at that point they were lost to the bleak world of fanboyness forever. Even if you want to insist that the last bit of his review didn't imply that only fanboys could like Brawl, the part about "that guy" did. According to Yahtzee's review, it's impossible to become both good at the game and not be a rabid Nintendo fanboy.

g31st:

Doug:
Ok, lets leave the issue of whether or not brawl is good or bad - its all personal and subjective. I do have to say that you've read wayyyyyy to much into the last statement he made on the SSBB - he says IF you are a fanboy of Nintendo, you WILL then enjoy it irregardless of whatever the game is like. I.e. A => B, not B => A. He's not saying IF you like SSBB, your a fanboy.

Anywho... I wonder if the post count here will exceed the SSBB one?

You can imply a lot without being explicit. That's what masters of language are good at.

It's easy enough to examine the logic regarding the last bit of the video. Your logic regarding his words is correct. If you look at the images in the video, there's a gleeful fanboy with the words "HURR HURR IGNORANCE" over his head while Yahtzee's disparaging the fanboys who like Brawl "whatever its faults". Even though you can't logically get "if you like SSBB, you're a fanboy" from his words, the image says pretty clearly that the group of people who do like Brawl "don't get it" at best and are borderline retarded at worst. So, someone who's not a fanboy and who's asking themselves "Would I like Brawl?" need only ask themselves, "Do I get games?" or "Am I borderline retarded?" What do you suppose their answer would be?

In addition, I'm not sure if you remember, but there was an earlier part in the review where he was talking about "that guy". In that section of the review, he said that anyone who cared enough about playing Brawl to become good at it would seek out other "that guys" for the sake of some competition, and at that point they were lost to the bleak world of fanboyness forever. Even if you want to insist that the last bit of his review didn't imply that only fanboys could like Brawl, the part about "that guy" did. According to Yahtzee's review, it's impossible to become both good at the game and not be a rabid Nintendo fanboy.

I didn't play the life out of Melee when that was out, so I assume it will be the same for Brawl.

sorry for the repost

Hahahha another hilarous video- Yahtzee truly reminds me of my idol: Edmund Blackadder.
My favorite parts were probably Guantanamo Bay and being a Professional Troll. Hilarious.

g31st:

You can certainly say that, but I disagree. Yahtzee did not address many of the more valid points in his "showdown". Like I said, since its his inbox, he could cherry pick the emails to make the "opposition" seem like total twats, and that's what happened. I didn't read the entire Brawl review thread (christ, but it's long), but there were a few things I spotted that were not in his latest video at all. For instance, he did not address his incorrect factual statement about having to play the single player to unlock everything. It's just not true, and he didn't own up to it at all. Maybe he can't admit when he makes mistakes.

He also claimed (more than once) that Brawl is a button masher and that no amount of practice would ensure your victory over someone slapping their palms against their controller. If you remember, he went into a big long rant about becoming "that guy" only to say, "but that doesn't happen in this game". Naturally, I don't know what's in his inbox, but you'd have to be crazy to claim that there wasn't a single email saying something to the effect of, "The fighting system in Brawl rewards patience and timing and punishes people who randomly mash buttons. As a matter of fact, it's even possible to kill yourself if you mash the wrong buttons. There's a shield button which thwarts almost every attempt at button mashing, and skilled players will be good at 1.) knowing when holes appear in their foe's defenses and 2.) exploiting them. If you really think this game is a button masher, why not go one on one versus a pro player? You should be able to win half the time, right?"

The majority of the posts I saw "defending" Brawl said something to that effect, and it's true. Anyone who's played the game seriously will tell you the same thing, yet Yahtzee gleefully glossed over anything of the sort in his "showdown". As a matter of fact, most of the emails were to the effect of, "You hateful person. Why don't you like anything? You always just point out the bad stuff in games," which is more a statement of the obvious rather than any sort of defense. Granted, if one side can choose what the other side says, it's not going to be much of a debate in the first place.

Be glad you didn't follow the whole Brawl thread. It was brain numbing at times. However, you didn't follow my argument here. The majority of the posts either pro-ssbb or anti-ssbb could be summed up in the emails he criticized. I could care less whether his points in the review of the game were valid or not. I've always enjoyed the SSB franchise and am sure that I will until the day that Nintendo decides to stop adding to it. Which, with its current success, will be the day after never. So, I have no need to debate you on that matter.

What I was stating is that a large number of the posts made in the SSBB review and this one have one thing in common. They could be summarized by those emails that he chose for his responses in his most recent post. There were indeed some well reasoned responses to his review, but they were by far in the minority. There were also some well reasoned responses to those who didn't like his review, but again, they were by far the minority.

The case, for me, isn't that he chose not to answer those with valid critiques. He never does. It is that he chose to make fun of those people who chose to dive off the cliff into the raging sea of insane raving. Just as he caricatured those who rabidly disagreed with him, he could have as easily caricatured those who rabidly defended him and it would have been equally as funny. I thought of both groups while watching the video and laughed accordingly.

Being a fanboy of something is bad, right? If you're going to lend any credence to 90% of this thread, fanboys are one of the lowest forms of vertebrate lifeforms on the internet. My memory may be hazy, but I don't think I've seen a single post in this thread so far which a.) mentions fanboys and b.) doesn't disparage them in some way.

You said that he claimed his review wouldn't matter because people already knew if they liked the game. That's true, but here's the actual quote:

"Reviewing Smash Bros. Brawl is pointless. There's a simple test. When the name Nintendo Wii was first revealed, did you ever seriously try to defend it on an internet forum? If yes, you will enjoy this game whatever its faults and you might as well start spamming my email address with hatred right now you miserable. fanboy. twat."

At the same time as he was speaking these words, there was a picture of a Wii player gleefully unaware that his T.V. was on fire and another in front of a computer with the words "HUR HUR IGNORANCE" above his head.

A bit more than merely saying, "My review won't change your opinion," he says, "Not only will my review not change your opinion, if you like the game you will hate me for giving it a bad review, because there's no other reason that you would like the game other than the fact that you enjoy Nintendo wanking off in your face. You're gleefully ignorant of what's really going on, because anyone with a brain would know that this game has almost no redeeming features." Forget any kind of middle ground that allows for someone who isn't a fanboy to enjoy the game because it's a good fighting game. Yahtzee's review immediately polarizes the entire world into two categories - the ignorant twats who like Brawl, and the enlightened few who can see Brawl for what it really is. Hell, he even plays Green Day's "Minority" at the end of his review. There really isn't a better way to make people angry than drawing a line in the sand, especially if there doesn't need to be one in the first place.

Let's say for a minute that what he said is true. Pretend that the people who play Brawl and Melee only play it because it's a Nintendo game with Nintendo characters in it. If you remember, he asked why unlocking Marth was such a big deal in his review. The truth is, Marth was considered a "top tier" character along with a handful of others in Melee, meaning that he was one of the best characters to use in professional play due to his speed and fighting style. Almost every tournament player learned to use Marth, and I can assure you it wasn't because they were all Fire Emblem 1 fanboys. Leaving him out would have pissed off the old Melee players to no end, because his style of fighting was very much about speed, technique and control, and it proved to be one of the most effective ones in tournament play. If Brawl's only appeal is fanservice, why the hell would people be so nuts about a no-name character?

Long story short: If the requisite for liking Brawl is being a Nintendo fanboy, and I like Brawl, it must mean I'm a Nintendo fanboy, which is both insulting and an unfair representation of the game as a whole.

Ok, I will concede this point...to a point. However, I would say that liking the game would not necessarily make a person a fanboy or fangirl. In fact, even being a fan of the game wouldn't qualify. When I think of fanboy and fangirl, I think of those people of whom he made fun in his response. Fanboys and fangirls are those who have taken the aforementioned dive off the cliff and submerged themselves in the sea of insane raving. With that said, you must admit that many of those who have hit the forums after the SSB review and are still going on in this one do fall under the derogatory term of fanboy/fangirl. If those were unedited mails to him, then I'd definitely file them under the fanboy rating. Of course, the biggest fanboy in this discussion is Yahtzee himself. There's no bigger fan of Yahtzee who is willing to go to insane lengths to defend Yahtzee than Yahtzee himself.

Mythbhavd:
Wait a minute...I know what's going on here! I'm getting sucked into a he-said, she-said argument! Lol! Bad g31st! No donut for you!

g13st:
It's okay, I had some last weekend.

You had donuts! Bummer, wish I had some!

g13st:
You're a growed up and you can go watch the Halo 3 review and look for a similar quote in that video. Don't be surprised if you don't find one.

No need to get snide. Let's keep this civil. And, ironically, I did watch it just before I read your reply. While I dislike the halo series with a passion, I went to watch the video again to see if he was as rabid against the fanboys of Halo (many of whom seemed to lay low during the response period in the forum) as he was against those of SSBB. He definitely wasn't, although he was expecting much the same response. It's apparent from his reference to fanboys widdling in his mail slot.

Mythbhavd:
As I said before, "let's get back to the good old weeks when we could watch a review, laugh about it, and discuss it like the reasonably well-adjusted crazy people we are."

g13st:
I agree. That's the reason I like Yahtzee. At the same time, I'm not a rabid fanboy. I've never tried to proselytize Brawl to anyone, and I've never gotten on anyone's case who's played it and decided they didn't like it. Despite all of this, Yahtzee's review told me that by liking the game (for whatever reason), I was one of those unholy fanboys that people are so keen to hate. Maybe I'm in the minority who doesn't just lay down while someone who I've never even met in real life tells me I'm an ignorant twat for liking a certain video game.

I would certainly classify you as a fan; perhaps even a rabid fan (knowing the stats of which character the majority of professional gamers choose frightens me...of course, I can be as rabid with Star Trek: TOS, so go figure). Based on your response, though, I wouldn't say you were a fanboy. Just someone who really likes the game. So, I don't even know that you'd follow under his classification of a fanboy (one who has seriously devoted themselves to defending the WII online (or as I took it, diving into the sea of raging insanity)).

thahat:

hey, look, someone with a brain ^^ *makes snapshot before it goes away*
anyone ever noticed btw that all the people who don't like brawl, and i do mean like, 70-80% at least ( so okay, not all :\ ) have never actually PLAYED brawl :P?

That seems to be true of several of the games I've seen reviewed on here. Of course, I've seen quite a few defenders of a game who haven't played it yet either.

On another note, I found this quote in the Halo 3 section from Zera from back in October and in light of the recent two forums worth of trolling found it funny:

Zera:

Well this site is probably the most intelligent when it comes to gaming. You shouldn't find any trolls here.

You spoke too soon, Zera! :o)