Pyro2190:
Back to the main subject, what the bloody hell is so god-damned important about arguing over some critic's OPINION on a video game? If you disagree with him, wipe the bile off your precious video game and continue to play it with all the love you had for it before you saw the Zero Punctuation review. It's not like Yatzee's opinion will suddenly make it a terrible game or something. That makes about as much sense as if you were walking your prized Chihuahua down the street and then someone came up and said, "That thing looks like an ugly little rat," then quite suddenly your Chihuahua turned into a rat and the person who made the comment walks off without a care in the world. Seriously, just because someone says something bad about what you like, it won't suddenly transform the damn thing into a pile of shit.

Better example: You walk up to a person who is surrounded by an enormous crowd and ask them, "How do you like my chihuahua?" That person says "That thing looks like an ugly rat." He then walks away leaving the enormous crowd to make comments on how right that person is and how you are an idiot for liking the chihuahua.

I think fans of the game wouldn't be so offended if it weren't for the hostility of Yahtzee's followers.

As for the fanboys, they have to remember that they asked for his opinion in the first place.

Simon_TR:
Better example: You walk up to a person who is surrounded by an enormous crowd and ask them, "How do you like my chihuahua?" That person says "That thing looks like an ugly rat." He then walks away leaving the enormous crowd to make comments on how right that person is and how you are an idiot for liking the chihuahua.

That example really made no sense at all.

VeryOblivious:

Simon_TR:
Better example: You walk up to a person who is surrounded by an enormous crowd and ask them, "How do you like my chihuahua?" That person says "That thing looks like an ugly rat." He then walks away leaving the enormous crowd to make comments on how right that person is and how you are an idiot for liking the chihuahua.

That example really made no sense at all.

Says he whose screen name is "VeryOblivious".

Although you bring up an excellent point, Simon. The fanboys need to shut up and deal with the fact that some people out there might ACTUALLY have an opinion of their own that didn't come from an outside source, like say, Zero Punctuation. Personally, I thrive in the minority most of the time.

You guys are still going on about this shit? Go outside, you nerds.

staffs:

Shia-Neko-Chan:

staffs:

Shia-Neko-Chan:
War & Peace

I'd normally respond to something like this point by point but you've only really made one, over and over again. Why do you feel the need to demand irrefutable proof of every little statement? This is a video game review, not a court of law. Not that your rebuttle is even any more evidence based than his original statements. You talk very loftily about the need for proof, and things having to holding water, but then you just state that a bunch of things are fact - with no supporting evidence at all.

hm?

Okay...

1. I'm pretty sure I haven't demanded proof of anything.

2. My post was not about War & Peace.

3. Nobody stated this is a court of law.

4. I myself was just trying to make sense of everything, because why not? I was bored and I'm pretty sure this board is for everyone. I'm not making you reply, so if you didn't want to, why did you? :P

Yippee it's point by point time.

1. You stated that things needed to be "proven" and talked about things holding or not holding water. Either you're asking for proof to validate his nitpicking or there'sa hole in your bucket dear Henry.

Hilarious! Yeah, like I really want proof about Yahtzee's TV or eyesight.. XD

Look, not everything on the internet is monotone seriousness. It's pretty obvious those were jokes. XD

2. No but it was as long as War & Peace. I intially was going to go with TL;DR but I actually had read it and TL;DR gets you banned pretty much everywhere these days.

3. See my reply to point 1.

4. Point 4 is actually several points, but what the heck. Firstly what I'm getting at is the whole "I reject your reality, and substitute it with my own" thing you've got going on.

Wow

Again, I'm making sense of it for myself, because I was bored. The comments about his TV being bad and his eyesight being bad were again, JOKES! Yeah, how the crap am I supposed to tell if his eyesight's bad or not? Furthermore, if you'd actually read my post, you'd see that I actually began to understand why he thought it was hard to see. Lastly, I passed nothing off as fact because well, I don't know the guy.

OH! BUT, THANKS FOR PLAYING! :D

I understand your point of view yahtzee you fast talking man I enjoy your videos. Thanks for the review on psychonauts I freaking loved it

Well whiskers, that was actually a pretty good response, although I still think a number of your criticisms of the review only really amounted to shouting WRONG! (or refuting his experience of the game with your own, which in hindsight is actually not entirely misguided - although pointing out that your respective experiences don't match is not really a valid criticism of the review) and some responses were just silly. Take for example your point that the inclusion of largely unknown characters isn't a weakness because the game isn't all about the characters. This franchise is entirely about the characters, it wouldn't be anywhere near as popular if it didn't feature a stable of nostalgic favourites.

Regardless of your process or intentions all you've really said is that the only things Yahtzee got right were the things you agreed with, which brings me pretty neatly around to the real reason I think I decided to participate in this cluster fuck of nerd rage. All this and indeed any review comes down to is personal taste, none of the people shreiking about this are right or wrong. No one can win because you're all just stating a preference - and no preference is more or less correct than any other preference.

So relax; it's okay to like SSBB, it's okay to like Halo 3 and it's okay to have rough sex with large, gruff, hairy men in a public restroom.

staffs:
although I still think a number of your criticisms of the review only really amounted to shouting WRONG!

All this and indeed any review comes down to is personal taste, none of the people shreiking about this are right or wrong. No one can win because you're all just stating a preference - and no preference is more or less correct than any other preference.

So relax; it's okay to like SSBB, it's okay to like Halo 3 and it's okay to have rough sex with large, gruff, hairy men in a public restroom.

I'm not sure which is worse, the irony or the hypocrisy.

Giygas:
You guys are still going on about this shit? Go outside, you nerds.

Shut up, we just want to get to 1,000 before wednesday - without it being considered "flooding".

Just read the other featured articles on here, they are awesome.

ElArabDeMagnifico:

Giygas:
You guys are still going on about this shit? Go outside, you nerds.

Shut up, we just want to get to 1,000 before wednesday - without it being considered "flooding".

Just read the other featured articles on here, they are awesome.

Wha-what? I know sarcasm is sometimes hard to detect in text, but that actually sounds like you seriously set that goal. I'm sorry that you have nothing better to do. Although frankly I'm sorry that I went through the effort of registering here.....why did I do that again? Oh yeah, that's right, the idiotic statements and the fact that this was, at the time, 28 pages long made me curious as the wtf is wrong with people.

hahaha. Whiskers. We should be friends or something. XD

It's true, him and I do have different ways of reviewing a game. I like to critique more towards design flaws and he uses a more personal approach, which isn't bad, I just think that design flaws are easier to agree with. :P

Perhaps "holds water", "holds no water", and "legitimate" were the wrong things to say. What I was really commenting on was how easy it was for an ssbb fan (or me) to relate to his comments about the game, not his comments being right or wrong.

Also, its true about SSBB's popularity. It wouldn't be as popular, but without a doubt, it would be just as fun. I don't buy games for nostalgic value (or else I'd buy Mario Kart Wii), so it's easy for me to forget that a lot of other people do.

The people who contributed to getting this to nearly 1000 messages ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Pyro2190:
Says he whose screen name is "VeryOblivious".

Excellent argument you got there. /sarcasm

And actually, Simon's example didn't make sense. Yours, in the other hand, did have sense.

Pyro2190:

ElArabDeMagnifico:

Giygas:
You guys are still going on about this shit? Go outside, you nerds.

Shut up, we just want to get to 1,000 before wednesday - without it being considered "flooding".

Just read the other featured articles on here, they are awesome.

Wha-what? I know sarcasm is sometimes hard to detect in text, but that actually sounds like you seriously set that goal. I'm sorry that you have nothing better to do. Although frankly I'm sorry that I went through the effort of registering here.....why did I do that again? Oh yeah, that's right, the idiotic statements and the fact that this was, at the time, 28 pages long made me curious as the wtf is wrong with people.

Lol yes I was sarcastic - I thought most people already thought it was an "implied goal" like that SSBB one. With these out of control Yahtzee threads, there is practically no other goal for people because of the chaos. Besides, I just like to come in, take a peek at what people are arguing about at the moment...maybe say something..and then leave. If I really did want to achieve this goal (for whatever reason) well, I still wouldn't have to do a damn thing.

I say just get out of here, and go into the rest of the boards, it's healthier than talking with these loons...

>_>

VeryOblivious:

Pyro2190:
Says he whose screen name is "VeryOblivious".

Excellent argument you got there. /sarcasm

And actually, Simon's example didn't make sense. Yours, in the other hand, did have sense.

Sorry, what part didn't you understand?

edit. I realize now that the last sentence does read a little funny. Try reading it differently maybe.

BYeth: Answers in italics? Oh lord that's hard to read.

I'll say it again to you. Enjoying the picking apart of fanboys does not a fanboy make. Enjoying something while rejecting out of hand that there are any faults with it does. It's very simple, and for such a person "dumb XXXX fanboy" is an adequate title. See, and I knew the idea that you are entitled to an opinion, but are expected to accept that everyone else is as well was going to be the hardest part of this for you. For instance, you're going to have to accept that Yatzee didn't ~dismiss~ the good points of the game that you see. He just didn't ~find~ those points like you did. You can justify why you think your opinion is right all you want. That is acceptable. For instance, you can attempt to explain why you think the negative Yatzee sees of including obscure characters from games he'll never be able to play, is the positive of introducing you to that game and allowing you to play with your favorite character from an obscure game. Very acceptable. (I agree with Yatzee on that one, but what have you) What is not acceptable is saying that because you have these opinions, his opinion is wrong. What has happened here is only that two people have a different take on a game. Fair enough.

sanzar:

Ragdrazi:

MrFinn:
I really don't know why people take these reviews so seriously. The show is just another form of entertainment based around feedback to the games world

See, and this is the ultimate point of the review(?). Even if Yatzee is 100% wrong in every one of his opinions, why would anyone respond with anything but a shrug and an ignore.

Sorry to be pedantic, but how can an opinion on a game be "wrong"? In fact how does one have a "correct opinion"? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of it being an opinion? EG: In my opinion SSBB is a good game because I enjoyed the multiplayer and the mindless chaos. In Yahtzees opinion the game is a steaming pile of shit because he hated the multiplayer and the mindless chaos.
Which one of us is right (it's a trick question for those of you who are contemplating siding with either one of us)?

Thank you, exactly my point.

Well, no. More to the point of what you're responding to, even if it were possible for opinions to be 100% wrong, what would it matter?

Simon_TR:
Better example: You walk up to a person who is surrounded by an enormous crowd and ask them, "How do you like my chihuahua?" That person says "That thing looks like an ugly rat." He then walks away leaving the enormous crowd to make comments on how right that person is and how you are an idiot for liking the chihuahua.

No. Not at all. Here's why. Actually, you seem to understand why already: "As for the fanboys, they have to remember that they asked for his opinion in the first place."

You took your chihuahua though the use of your own free will, here to a "Chihuahua Critiquing Center." And the Chihuahua Critic said "That thing looks like an ugly rat. Here's why." You can always go to a different "Chihuahua Critiquing Center" for a second opinion, but you have to accept that every Chihuahua Critic is simply giving you their personal opinion.

Pyro2190:
I'm not sure which is worse, the irony or the hypocrisy.

I'm afraid you're going to have to explain to me where you see either there.

Ragdrazi:

Simon_TR:
Better example: You walk up to a person who is surrounded by an enormous crowd and ask them, "How do you like my chihuahua?" That person says "That thing looks like an ugly rat." He then walks away leaving the enormous crowd to make comments on how right that person is and how you are an idiot for liking the chihuahua.

No. Not at all. Here's why. Actually, you seem to understand why already. "As for the fanboys, they have to remember that they asked for his opinion in the first place."

You took your chihuahua though the use of your own free will, here to a "Chihuahua Critiquing Center." And the Chihuahua Critic said "That thing looks like an ugly rat. Here's why." You can always go to a different "Chihuahua Critiquing Center" for a second opinion, but you have to accept that every Chihuahua Critic is simply giving you their personal opinion.

I wasn't aware that was a question, it's just an example of what is happening here.

I already realize my own words. The example was commenting on the other side of the fanboy fence, and how they too are making this personal.

Edit. Well, that's 1000. I R SUPANERD! all bow to supernerd, plz. thx.

*bows*

Simon_TR:

Edit. Well, that's 1000. I R SUPANERD! all bow to supernerd, plz. thx.

We are all supernerds for writing on this blog in the first place. (or super fanboys)

Pyro2190:
I'm not sure which is worse, the irony or the hypocrisy.

It was a little contradictory wasn't it? Although I still think that if you're going to do something pointless you might as well do it intelligently.

Shia-Neko-Chan:
hahaha. Whiskers. We should be friends or something. XD

Glad to see you took it in the spirit it was intended :)
Some people get a little touchy about these things.

Also, congratulations everyone on 1,000 posts of piping hot nerd rage.

GO TEAM RETARD!

This is cute, actually; all the fanboys living on this earth are here to defend SSBB. I just hope that they realize that by defending Brawl here, they are doing exactly what Yahtzee assumes they do.

any transcript guys? thx

Please tell me that was the first time anyone asked for a transcript in this thread. That would be absolutely awesome XD

please, tell me the thread it's not a 29 pagesof pure infant joke!

Not anymore, if it is. Here's a transcript, enjoy.

Funnily enough, I don't get direct hatemail as often as you might think. I guess you're all afraid I might ignore you to death. But the Brawl review brought in an unprecedented, yet not entirely unexpected, amount of negative feedback, and I thought rather than just dispense bile all the time it would be nice to sample some for a change and perhaps also take the opportunity to respond to some of the slightly more valid arguements. So without further ado: go Team Retard!

"Fff you. SSBB is awesome. I'm pretty sure that the reason you don't like SSBB is that you were crap at it. It's true isn't it? And don't try to blame it on bad controls or opponents having super moves that strike you out in one hit. It's because it took you five hours to figure out up was jump and A was attack. Now who's the twat?"

Well it's certainly not you, because you've just been upgraded to dickhead, and a presumptuous dickhead at that. Actually, I don't remember making any reference to bad controls or overpowered super moves in my review so either you've got the wrong address or you're projecting so hard you could point yourself at a wall and show off PowerPoint presentations. But the accusation I'm simply being bad at games is one I've fielded before and while it's true I've never beaten the Luigi and purple coin challenge, I like to think I review for everyone, and considering I've been gaming for most of my life, most average people are going to be even worse than me, and that's a scary thought. By the way, it's alright, you can swear on the internet, your mum probably isn't going to read it. I know, because she's too busy being fucked, by me.

"This 'review' by and large was pretty poor. Just because people want it doesn't mean he should do it, and Yahtzee, pretty clearly, is and has been nothing more than a professional troll for a good while now. If this entire video wasn't clearly for the purpose of bashing a game he quite clearly doesn't like in the first place, it might actually have been more entertaining than listening to a grown man cry about peer pressure."

It's true, I didn't like Brawl before I even started playing, but then the same is true of every game, object, animal and human being I encounter these days. Since the internet is almost diametrically opposed to the notion of quality control, then recently it has been a lot easier to just assume everything's shit until it can prove itself otherwise. I like to call it the 'Guantanamo Bay' approach to reviewing. But as for why I review stuff by popular demand regardless of personal feeling, it's partly because it feels more professional than constant self-indulgence, but mostly because I use my traffic figures to measure my worth as a human being. I like the idea of "a professional troll" though, it makes me think of a hideous creature under a bridge handing out business cards.

"This guy is so played out. It must suck not enjoying ANYTHING in life and wasting your time searching for things to hate."

Yes, I suppose that would suck, you'll have to tell me what it's like sometime.

"You suck, suck, at reviewing video games. How can you even call them reviews without a score? It's more just a rant on games that are mainstream. Just because they're mainstream doesn't mean that they suck. You obviously have n-- absolutely no taste in good games. You don't even talk about the game really. If you don't like it, you just point out every little think that's bad about it."

Okay, I put my hands up he has me there, I do point out every little thing that's bad about a game, but then, I'm a critic, it'd be weird if I didn't. If I put people's balls in my mouth for a living I'd be a prostitute, or possibly a Gamespot employee, but I criticize, so I'm a critic, and I don't believe in scores because I don't believe a complex opinion can be represented numerically. You like numbers? How about four, as in "fourk you!" Do you really need someone in authority giving you a simple "yay" or "nay" before you buy anything? Why don't you roll over so they can stamp on the other side of your face?

"In your entire review you never said anything about how fun the game is to play with your friends. Perhaps you should lay off the cheap vodka and play the fucking game with some real buddies."

Okay, this one confused me, I played it with friends and we didn't have fun. What more do you want? By "real buddies" I assume you mean people who actually like Smash Bros. Brawl, but I don't really regard any people like that as "buddies." I prefer to regard them... from behind bullet-proof two-way looking glass.

"There wasn't really much of a review here. From a purely objective standpoint, SSBB is actually quite a superb game (as you can tell by reading reviews)."

I think you should look up the word "objective," because I don't think it means what you think it means. It's worth remembering that all reviews are subjective personal opinions and if you personally enjoy the game then they really shouldn't get to you. Unless, of course, there's a dispicable little niggling doubt in the back of your mind that maybe you're not having as much fun as you've convinced yourself you're having, which doesn't go away no matter how many times you try to slap it down with a wet flannel of weak excuses, like this one:

"I'm not a fanboy--"

Yes you are.

"But you may have judged Brawl a bit harashly. Nintendo made it so that the players could have fun mercilessly beating the ever-lovi-lelyblyblyblybleh."

Why am I reminded of the all-purpose Theist cop-out argument "God moves in mysterious ways,"? Nintendo is a big boy now, he doesn't need defending. Small-time curmudgeons like me are not going to reduce anyone who works there to tears, and they care even less about you. I've never really understood the almost crusader-like fervor that consoles attract. Most people would say it's because your mum is only prepared to buy you one console, and if it turns out you didn't pick the winner the best thing to do is go into denial until the very fabric of reality spontaneously changes, because God knows that's more likely to happen than you admitting fault. Speaking as a person who is white enough to afford all the consoles, this is probably the most balanced generation of all time, with it all coming down to what you personally want from a console.

The Wii is an excitable little yappy bastard, good with children but a little exhausting.

The PS3 is a big dependable black monster, slow, but lovingly bringing in your slippers every morning.

And the 360 is just a good all rounder that only occasionally pisses itself and dies.

alphaxi:
And the 360 is just a good old rounder that only occasionally pisses itself and dies.

I think it was 'good all rounder', but aside from that, the transcript looks good!

Doug:

alphaxi:
And the 360 is just a good old rounder that only occasionally pisses itself and dies.

I think it was 'good all rounder', but aside from that, the transcript looks good!

Fixed it. One word out of how many? I like those odds XD

Remember when we loved video games about how fun they are? Yah that was great, mindless sheep didn't kill sales with their mornfull bleating.

Remember when how a game was marketed to fans an torn apart by anti-fans (they exists) determined sales? Yah that was great too, designers would do the best they could not try to influence public opinion

Remeber when game reviewers reviwed games? Yah that was great, you know instead of spending week after week getting his popularity BY FUKING BASHING A GAME HE DIDN"T PLAY. Im sorry im not saying pro/con SSBB but seriously your getting famous for not doing reviews.... WTF? You or the internets who do I blame?

NOTE: caps lock DENOTES EMOTION!

STOP THE FUCKING POSTING ALREADY!!!

WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT THIS DICK HAS TO SAY ABOUT A FIGHTING GAME

WHO THE FUCK CARES IF SSBB IS GOOD OR BAD

EITHER PLAY THE GAME OR DON'T, JUST STOP THE BITCHING

mcnally86:
Remember when we loved video games about how fun they are? Yah that was great, mindless sheep didn't kill sales with their mornfull bleating.

Remember when how a game was marketed to fans an torn apart by anti-fans (they exists) determined sales? Yah that was great too, designers would do the best they could not try to influence public opinion

Remeber when game reviewers reviwed games? Yah that was great, you know instead of spending week after week getting his popularity BY FUKING BASHING A GAME HE DIDN"T PLAY. Im sorry im not saying pro/con SSBB but seriously your getting famous for not doing reviews.... WTF? You or the internets who do I blame?

NOTE: caps lock DENOTES EMOTION!

That didn't made sense to me.

DennoCoil:
STOP THE FUCKING POSTING ALREADY!!!

WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT THIS DICK HAS TO SAY ABOUT A FIGHTING GAME

WHO THE FUCK CARES IF SSBB IS GOOD OR BAD

EITHER PLAY THE GAME OR DON'T, JUST STOP THE BITCHING

Indeed. If this is the biggest issue in one's life, a stupid game review, then I think one desperately needs a head-from-ass-ectomy. Collapsing economy, skyrocketing food and energy prices - yawn, right? Perspective.

and just as a sense of normalcy was returning to the thread, count on random trolls from nowhere to prevent such an occurrence...