firstly, Yahtzee never mentioned the names of any of the comics (bar PA) but I think it's obviously he's throwing alot of bile at CAD (and others too, like the whole mega-man sprite thing - ripping the likes of 8 bit theatre - well I lolled)

The internet has always had a bad run whenever it trys to deal with things that are 'real' - I've seen things on forums that make me upset that I share a species with these people.

It was a very brave, and a very stupid move for Buckley to do the miscarriage plotline for two reasons:

1) Even if his intentions were good, and he decided to make a serious go of tackling the big issues, he must have known that there would be trolls and sharks waiting to pounce on him and rip him. In defending himself vehemently and vocally the way he has, he comes across as nothing but a dick.

2) If his intentions were only to stir the trolls and sharks in order to boost flagging readership figures, then he's a dick.

Myself, I'm waiting for the end of this plot to see where it goes, to see whether or not he actually means to tackle issues and is really a nice guy trying something different or is just a media whore.

But just remember, he also tried something different with his comic voting thing earlier in the year (Ethan space archaeologist or some such) in an attempt to gather people in before unleashing this beast.

Melo The Yellow:
Oh and Player vs player's wikipage got one day changed to "PVP sucks".
Guess who? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=32072999

Anonymous IP?

David_Cat:

Melo The Yellow:
Oh and Player vs player's wikipage got one day changed to "PVP sucks".
Guess who? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=32072999

Anonymous IP?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.60.213.27

David_Cat:

ioudas omnis:

Jenx:

Wargamer:
Meh... that felt dull to me... personally, I was impressed CAD had the balls to do a serious and hard-hitting storyline, as opposed to the tongue-in-cheek crap everyone else does.

The point is - you can't go from blah blah funny funny blah blah to blah blah serious tragic blah blah. That is why most webcomics stick either to making it a "gag a day" or make a serious storyline and go with it. Trying to mix both usually doesn't work, and CAD has proven that as well.

though some would certainly argue that "storytelling" and "CAD" shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

CAD has a lot more story than it used to.

I don't doubt that. But as I said, the comic lost my interest sometime a few years ago, and I only read it now whenever someone decides to link me to it. It just isn't my kind of webcomic anymore.

Tim Buckley? Immature.

Effect on his webcomic? Very little, unless he uses as a soapbox, which he does from time to time.

Canazza:

David_Cat:

Melo The Yellow:
Oh and Player vs player's wikipage got one day changed to "PVP sucks".
Guess who? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=32072999

Anonymous IP?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.60.213.27

Yes alright alright it was obviously Tim

CADbortion Comic Shops

Further adding to the webcomic's mind-numbingly retarded pool of unfunny, undramatic plot drama, Tim Buckley decided it would be fun to kill off the bi- the female character's unborn child (This is probably the funniest comic he's done to date). When asked why he thought a miscarriage would be a particularly good plot turn, he gave a tl;dr response on his website about character building and plot or some shit. This shows that not only is Buckley an unfunny hack, but he's also a fucking lunatic for thinking that his shitty little webcomic actually has anything close to an engaging storyline or good characterization. Also, he would have had to make a new drawing of a fat bitch, and that was too much work. Naturally, some wept, some raged, and others fired up Photoshop to extract some laughs from the situation.

Fu- Buckley would go on to thank his fanbase "from the bottom of my heart for your overwhelming support" for all the emails he got. Yeah, that's right. Comfort me! The guy who drew a comic with no words and made the bitch lose her spawn, not actual women who miscarry. Attention-whore Douchefag Status confirmed.

Only time will tell if Fuckley chooses to see this intentionally unfunny plot twist through, complete with crushed relationships, grief counseling, alcohol and substance abuse, and his author inserted fantasy persona maturing into a real man and taking serious charge of the situation, AND sustain this for the months and maybe years it would take to properly unwind this tragedy, or if he'll just jump the shark again and dive right back into the stale shitfest that is his comic as if nothing ever happened.

Non-gaming webcomics can be (and most of them are) really good. You should check them out!

Heroic One:
Non-gaming webcomics can be (and most of them are) really good. You should check them out!

http://www.realmofatland.com/
and
http://www.lfgcomic.com/

are on my reading list, not directly gaming comics, but tend to reference alot of fantasy games (LFG did this to start with, referencing WoW quite a bit, but has since gotten into it's stride)

pluses are that the artists can draw, and that there is enough text to make a joke/plot without sacrificing graphics

Also, check out http://www.odd-fish.net/ totally not gaming related, but excellently drawn and pun-tastically funny - case in point: http://www.odd-fish.net/viewing.php?&comic_id=73

This over the top dose of hipocracy and unrelentless sense of irony could very well be what will keep me coming back here every week, forever untill there is no more ZP.

And you guys will also notice that the CAD Wiki page makes no mention of any criticism other than this latest Zero Punctuation video. And given the massive series of Internet shitstorms that have gone off because of Buckley, I find that highly telling.

Best case scenario? Someone's attempting to brown-nose their way up the ranks.
Worst case scenario? Buckley's not yet discovered this latest ZP (Or he considers it below his notice).

Edit:

Only time will tell if Fuckley chooses to see this intentionally unfunny plot twist through, complete with crushed relationships, grief counseling, alcohol and substance abuse, and his author inserted fantasy persona maturing into a real man and taking serious charge of the situation, AND sustain this for the months and maybe years it would take to properly unwind this tragedy, or if he'll just jump the shark again and dive right back into the stale shitfest that is his comic as if nothing ever happened.

From CAD's news:

There are a number of supporting characters in the strip through which I can tell the story, or I could break away completely with some one-shots and come back to join the characters post-ground-zero, when the pain isn't so fresh, to show how they handle it.

Translation? "I'm going to either not focus on the fucking characters at the centre of these events or fast-forward past most - if not all - of an inevitable source of character development."

Blayze:
And you guys will also notice that the CAD Wiki page makes no mention of any criticism other than this latest Zero Punctuation video. And given the massive series of Internet shitstorms that have gone off because of Buckley, I find that highly telling.

Best case scenario? Someone's attempting to brown-nose their way up the ranks.
Worst case scenario? Buckley's not yet discovered this latest ZP (Or he considers it below his notice).

I noticed this too, the criticism part has gotten shorter hasn't it? Before it would go for more than 3 lines of text.

As always, I laughed at today's video. And, to be honest, I'm a CAD fan myself. Even though Yahtzee was very negative with his view on Ctrl-Alt-Del, I'd be honored if I was Tim Buckley. If I had a webcomic and someone like Yahtzee made a video about it - despite not naming any names - I'd be excited, even if it was very negative. I respect Yahtzee's opinion and I do agree that there are a lot of generic, run-of-the-mill webcomics out there. I can't wait to see what he talks about next week.

I had to create an account just so I could comment on this video. One of the best in a long while, Yahtzee. I was a CAD reader until he started to go down this weird slope of "I'm trying this out, seeing where my writing goes" crap of a terrible, creepy, awful storyline. Its like the guy thinks he's Stephen King. I mean, he's not, he writes a comic. On the internet.

Applause to ZP for calling out the "balls in his mouth" taste this storyline gave everyone

imo, I for one like CAD, and it strikes me that Yahtzee has stated his dislike of this comic before, yet he still checks up on it enough to see the latest story line and finds time to vent about it. In the end we are all entitled to our own opinion, but i can understand buckleys reaction to ZP review, criticism fair enough, but Yahtzee completely tore CAD to pieces. No one is forcing you to go and read these comics just because they are there, if you dont like it, dont read it. Just like games, music, art, film and anything else I can think of, use viewer discretion.

Edit: before anyone flames me, I still love ZP because of his no BS assessments.

thebobmaster:
Tim Buckley? Immature.

Effect on his webcomic? Very little, unless he uses as a soapbox, which he does from time to time.

"Shortly after a story arc in which the female character had a miscarriage, CAD's number of site hits began to decline."
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/ctrlaltdel-online.com

Melo The Yellow:
CADbortion Comic Shops

Further adding to the webcomic's mind-numbingly retarded pool of unfunny, undramatic plot drama, Tim Buckley decided it would be fun to kill off the bi- the female character's unborn child (This is probably the funniest comic he's done to date). When asked why he thought a miscarriage would be a particularly good plot turn, he gave a tl;dr response on his website about character building and plot or some shit. This shows that not only is Buckley an unfunny hack, but he's also a fucking lunatic for thinking that his shitty little webcomic actually has anything close to an engaging storyline or good characterization. Also, he would have had to make a new drawing of a fat bitch, and that was too much work. Naturally, some wept, some raged, and others fired up Photoshop to extract some laughs from the situation.

Fu- Buckley would go on to thank his fanbase "from the bottom of my heart for your overwhelming support" for all the emails he got. Yeah, that's right. Comfort me! The guy who drew a comic with no words and made the bitch lose her spawn, not actual women who miscarry. Attention-whore Douchefag Status confirmed.

Only time will tell if Fuckley chooses to see this intentionally unfunny plot twist through, complete with crushed relationships, grief counseling, alcohol and substance abuse, and his author inserted fantasy persona maturing into a real man and taking serious charge of the situation, AND sustain this for the months and maybe years it would take to properly unwind this tragedy, or if he'll just jump the shark again and dive right back into the stale shitfest that is his comic as if nothing ever happened.

I think I've seen this somewhere before, like, oh, I don't know...Encyclopaedia Dramatica? Congratulations on having figured out how to work the copy and paste function on your keyboard.

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/CTRL_ALT_Delete#CADbortion_Comic_Shops

See, I have as well, now we have something in common.

Ok this is quite retarded, the majority of all these posts are for bashing CAD, which only seems to be done after Yahtzee makes a movie about it. I liked this movie as well, it's funny, but I enjoyed reading CAD too. Yes the miscarriage thing wasn't funny, but it adds a bit more depth to the whole thing for me. That is MY opinion, I'm not defending anything here. All I'm saying is that the bashing of this webcomic has only arrived after Yahtzee started it, which makes me wonder where everyone's loyalties lie here; all in favor of Yahtzee or do you have a personal opinion about this?

I don't doubt a lot of people here don't like CAD, it still looks like most of these are jumping on the Yahtzee bandwagon here. I enjoy his reviews as much as the next guy, and although all his points are valid, at the end of the day I still sometimes disagree with him. Not entirely, but some games I enjoyed playing alot until the edge wore off, like Oblivion.

If you don't like something on the internet, like CAD or ZP, the great thing is you can ignore it to death, it's not enforced upon you. If Buckley wants to draw a comic and let a woman have a miscarriage, let him, no one is forcing you to read the damned thing. Same thing goes for some ZP reviews. If you don't agree with Yahtzee when he says a game is shit, then say what you want to say and leave it at that. It's not like anyone of these guys is going to apologise for writing about something you don't like.

Now I hope it's pretty clear I'm not on a crusade for either Yahtzee or Buckley, but what I will say is that I checked the CAD forum and it seemed to be alot easier on the 'Yahtzee is a douchebag' commenting than most of the people in this thread. Could be coincidence, but it does stand out.
That being said I'll say I enjoyed this movie and found the CAD reference within the first few minutes so it was quite a funny experience.

Did you see my edit further up, Melo? Seems like Buckley's going to waste any chance he had at character development, going for a montage of sorts.

Nadsat:

See, I have as well, now we have something in common.

Oh yes, I guess we do, let me thank you for figuring me out...
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Melo The Yellow:

thebobmaster:
Tim Buckley? Immature.

Effect on his webcomic? Very little, unless he uses as a soapbox, which he does from time to time.

"Shortly after a story arc in which the female character had a miscarriage, CAD's number of site hits began to decline."
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/ctrlaltdel-online.com

Yeah when he made the CADbortion series, I was still reading the comic. However it was at that point that I think many people (including me) realized that there was no point to reading the comic since its story was drab and predictable and the comic as a whole was quite boring. The blogs that came with it were the most boring of all.

Sennz0r:
Ok this is quite retarded, the majority of all these posts are for bashing CAD, which only seems to be done after Yahtzee makes a movie about it. I liked this movie as well, it's funny, but I enjoyed reading CAD too. Yes the miscarriage thing wasn't funny, but it adds a bit more depth to the whole thing for me. That is MY opinion, I'm not defending anything here. All I'm saying is that the bashing of this webcomic has only arrived after Yahtzee started it, which makes me wonder where everyone's loyalties lie here; all in favor of Yahtzee or do you have a personal opinion about this?

I don't doubt a lot of people here don't like CAD, it still looks like most of these are jumping on the Yahtzee bandwagon here. I enjoy his reviews as much as the next guy, and although all his points are valid, at the end of the day I still sometimes disagree with him. Not entirely, but some games I enjoyed playing alot until the edge wore off, like Oblivion.

If you don't like something on the internet, like CAD or ZP, the great thing is you can ignore it to death, it's not enforced upon you. If Buckley wants to draw a comic and let a woman have a miscarriage, let him, no one is forcing you to read the damned thing. Same thing goes for some ZP reviews. If you don't agree with Yahtzee when he says a game is shit, then say what you want to say and leave it at that. It's not like anyone of these guys is going to apologise for writing about something you don't like.

Now I hope it's pretty clear I'm not on a crusade for either Yahtzee or Buckley, but what I will say is that I checked the CAD forum and it seemed to be alot easier on the 'Yahtzee is a douchebag' commenting than most of the people in this thread. Could be coincidence, but it does stand out.
That being said I'll say I enjoyed this movie and found the CAD reference within the first few minutes so it was quite a funny experience.

As the link was showing, people are ignoring CAD now. It's just that we want him to improve and stop crying about criticism, so he can be more entertaining, get more viewers and earn more money. That's the point of feedback isn't it?

What is a man? Not a miserable pile of secrets as Dracula would have us believe. No, it's not even the sum of his or her actions or their contributions given to society. The actions are not worthless int he summation of one's character though.

Our identity resides in our beliefs. If we looked to our actions to gather who we were, how would we face the uncertainty of the future? Why prescribe to being a relegious zealot? Are you not trading away your identity by doing so? What of Buckley? Who is the man who worships himself? Does he even know what he worships?

It is the morals, beliefs, ideals and reasons that determine our choices. This is who we are. This is where our worth as a person resides.

Buckley is a hedonist and a narcissist. From the poor quality of his comic, to the e-mails of his childish gloating and a multitude of other things we can see what exactly it is that Timothy Buckley believes.

What good is money when you're bankrupt? What use are you when you're as shallow as the constantly pasted doodle you consider quality? An empty person. Pitiful. Try as he might to celebrate himself and crowd his company with 'friends" but like every other man, he will die alone. We all die alone. If he does not know, like and understand himself...he has nothing.

I propose the ultimate creation: An animated movie "written" by Paolini, "drawn" by Buckley, "directed" by Uwe Boll, created using software "coded" by Bill Gates and "reviewed" by Jack Thompson.

Hm, he also takes a stab at Bob and George with the megaman sprite reference. I don't think pixel comics are bad, like "A Modest Destiny" (which was written by Squidi who is quite hansom as opposed to overweight curmudgeon) when it's original work. I remember trying to read Bob and George, but just thought the comic style was so un-inspired it was hard to look at.

On second thought though Squidi did "quit" the internet when him and Penny Arcade decided to have a mud throwing contest, so he is a bit of a curmudgeon.

Blayze:
I propose the ultimate creation: An animated movie "written" by Paolini, "drawn" by Buckley, "directed" by Uwe Boll, created using software "coded" by Bill Gates and "reviewed" by Jack Thompson.

Hold your horses, Buckley did it all by himself, with his own money funding someone else to do it and even they couldn't save it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0eYbXCF9mw&eurl=http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/CTRL_ALT_Delete

Melo The Yellow:

Blayze:
I propose the ultimate creation: An animated movie "written" by Paolini, "drawn" by Buckley, "directed" by Uwe Boll, created using software "coded" by Bill Gates and "reviewed" by Jack Thompson.

Hold your horses, Buckley did it all by himself, with his own money funding someone else to do it and even they couldn't save it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0eYbXCF9mw&eurl=http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/CTRL_ALT_Delete

Please god not the animated series

Seems like this would have worked much better as a Fullyramblomatic essay. Don't see why he didn't put it like that, its not like we wouldn't have enjoyed some print as opposed to this.

In all gaming webcomics, there are always a few webcomics that do gaming right. And by a few I mean SMBC

Definitely not the animated series. No, I want to see the unholy collaboration and what it spawns. Buckley might be shit-hot at failing, but... by their powers of failure combined, anything is possible.

Indigo_Dingo:
Seems like this would have worked much better as a Fullyramblomatic essay. Don't see why he didn't put it like that, its not like we wouldn't have enjoyed some print as opposed to this.

In all gaming webcomics, there are always a few webcomics that do gaming right. And by a few I mean SMBC

daily,Crudely drawn, crudely funny, hits my funny bone 60% of the time (more than many comics), Win! :D

Ironically, I'd all but given up on the repetitive nature of the comic until the miscarriage plotline peaked my interest. I was just so bloody tired of it all. Around the time of the Choose Your Own Adventure plot, I noticed that Buckley also seemed willing to actually make Ethan suffer for his actions. Then this plot showed that the world will not bend reality itself just so Ethan is always happy.

When it has zero continuity, it's just a weak Penny Arcade. When it has logical continuity, it's something I'd actually want to read.

Taste is subjective - except on the Internet, where not only is taste not subjective, you must be culled from the face of the earth should you not have the right taste. Witness the utter castigation and shitstorm in this thread when David_Cat had the *sheer audacity* to speak his personal opinion.

Not being a reader of CAD, I was wondering why Tim Buckley was getting so much heat. There are two of them apparently...

On the plus side for CAD, apparently a bad review from ZP is worth a million times more publicity than any number of good reviews from anywhere else.

neems:
Not being a reader of CAD, I was wondering why Tim Buckley was getting so much heat. There are two of them apparently...

On the plus side for CAD, apparently a bad review from ZP is worth a million times more publicity than any number of good reviews from anywhere else.

true, but his forums will come to a standstill (And i think already have, since it's taken me 2 minutes to load the ZP forum post that's been put on) and then it'll all die down a bit after a few weeks when people realise why they don't go there regularly.

Yahtzee thinks Buckley is a good artist (not as evidenced by his strips, god no), but just has no idea how to be funny, is an arrogant prick on most levels, and continues to shut off all forms of criticism, ensuring he can only get worse.

That was great. I love the mocking comic of himself at the end: "there are too many ads at the end of my videos." I also really enjoyed the animations in this a lot better than others.

When I first heard of Yahtzee's disdain of CAD, I was kind of surprised. I wasn't born yesterday, I know he's making a living from being a cynical, critical asshat, which I love him for. But this seemed a little more than a dig at a bad game, it was almost personal in a way. Regardless, I read his argument, looked at the examples, and agreed. Not because I'm a rampant fanboy, but because I just don't find CAD funny. It's like the kid at school who tries so hard to be the class clown so everyone loves him for being so witty and funny, but everyone sees straight through him.

I decided to read a few comics, regardless. All I got was "OOOOHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOO MISCARRIAGE" then "BANG, BACK TO UNFUNNY GAME JOEKS TEIM! :DDD". I thought I got it all wrong, so I read the news post. And my god, what a truck load of self-absorbed bull. He ran the miscarriage line so it didn't turn into a "parent-kiddy comic", or words to that effect. Then why brew a story line to just abort it? I mean, you know, you COULD just not have got the lead female character pregnant in the first time and let all the poor misguided readers, a lot of which I bet couldn't even begin to understand the tragedy of the event, have the 5 hours or so of their life. Then he thanks readers for their support?! What, for a poorly thought out story line? Sure, if this was relative to his life, but I'm sure he pointed out it didn't.

And then, of course, there's Buckley's dictatorly stance on censorship, of which I'm sure even ol' Bob Mugabe would be proud of. Even if he didn't do it, wiping all posts of any alleged flashing a minor incident is NOT the way to go about clearing your name. If anything, it makes it sound like he has something to hide. Criticism? Oh no. Yahtzee has his critics, however, he doesn't try and smite them with any banhammer. He just mercilessly takes the piss out of them. Criticism is to be expected in ANY art form, I should know being a musician. If he can't handle that, maybe he should consider a career change. Or even a frontal lobotomy. And all the closing of the topic slating the video sounds like to me is not Buckley "trying to be mature" or the bigger man, just that he can't think of a pseudo-humorous comment to make back. However, I have no doubt he'll pipe up somewhere in 7 to 8 months time.