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Muckraker  Posts: 337 Joined: 8 Dec 2007     | |
Anonymous Source Posts: 1 Joined: 10 Jul 2008 | I was hoping I would see SOMETHING on how terrible CAD recent story was, I did not expect it from yahtzee :D Hilarious. You touched on the exact feelings I had when I was reading em. WTF was he thinking? That said, I did expect to see something on PA, which is my all time favorite webcomic, but was kinda sad to see only a warped sort of praise for them. I guess yahtzee's motto is if you have something nice to say, dont say anything at all. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 1 Joined: 10 Jul 2008 | Hey there everyone! I am a new poster and I would just like to say fuck you! Fuck all of you who constantly devote your time to dragging out an argument what will come to no end EVER. Fuck you everyone who believes that in the grand scheme of web comic generation thinks that their opinion is actually worth a damn! Fuck you you who believes that Penny Arcade is in fact a steaming pile of bullshit just because you can write ten or twelve paragraphs saying that it is! Fuck you those who believe that bashing CAD is a great way to relieve their stress and assimilate themselves into the higher forum order even though it merely results in generating more web hits for Tim Buckley! I've made my point and I expect banning but I don't honestly care. Spew all you want. |
Paperboy Posts: 13 Joined: 2 Jul 2008 | Personally I rather like CAD and appreciate it's dealing with a serious topic which is, like it or not, good story telling. I would REALLY like to know how many of you have EVER read a real comic. Not a daily comic like Garfield or a web comic but a genuine five-dollar-printed-comic-book comic. While I can't say I have read many of them I do follow their plots and, let me tell you, a miscarriage isn't half as serious as some of the things that print comic books have delved into in recent years or even before the modern time. Seriously look it up and the please shut up about it polluting your laugh-a-day medium or about how crappy web comics are because they aren't (insert whatever you personally happen to think is better but other people may or may not think is crap here). I personally praise Tim for dealing with a serious subject (actually more than one) in a serious and realistic manner. We are well past the days where Ethan would be randomly shot by arrows and then show up in the next strip people so either leave QUIETLY or stay and act intelligently. I really don't see any other civil options and if anyone has any suggestions I would be open to them. As for this whole question of Tim Buckley and him sending pics of his anatomy to kids: Why haven't we heard anything in the way of legal action from this? If it had really happened and there was proof then we WOULD be seeing legal action. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 3 Joined: 11 Jul 2008 |
I'm sorry, but awkwardly breeching a serious subject for a few strips then dropping it entirely does not equate to "dealing with it in a serious manner". I agree that if CAD were to dedicate, let's say, 100 strips to the miscarriage story arc, then MAYBE Buckley would be able to flesh it out in an engaging and realistic way (oh, who am I kidding, it's Tim Buckley...) However, as it stands, all he's done is exactly what Yahtzee said in the video: downplay the situation to the point that it is both absurd and disrespectful towards the subject matter. Obviously you haven't read a whole lot of "real" comics, because if you did, you would know that those writers actually pour a lot of thought into their characters, developing them over time, acknowledging and confronting their flaws while testing their strengths. They do not insert a handful of carbon cutouts, spewing the same inane, pointless dialog strip after strip. Seriously, have you read CAD's dialog? Every unsympathetic retard speaks exactly the same way ALL THE TIME! I'm not even gonna mention the facial expressions. Although you do bring a good point. Everybody stop reading CAD and go read The Sandman or Hellboy or something that won't numb your brain.
Is it hypocritical of me to agree with you at this point? |
Paperboy Posts: 35 Joined: 27 Feb 2008 | errm Yahtzees webcomics are just as shit, i mean really, they are terrible crap. "open the door get on the floor" was about as far as i got though one of them. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 183 Joined: 11 Jul 2008    | Tim Buckley is possibly the most enormous douche ever and I refused to read his comic a long time ago out of principle after his abuse of Wikipedia. However, the forums were a good source of intelligent discussion - the people on there seemed to be able to handle a decent debate. Having watched the review, I then went on CAD and read the miscarriage story to see what the fuss was about, and plainly it was woefully written, with no emotional build-up, meaning the comic went from "wacky" to serious in four panels. If he wants to mature as a writer, then suddenly throwing in serious subject matter is not how you do it. Serious stories do not equate to mature writing automatically! I went on the forums and joined what I thought was a reasonable discussion about the comic, only to find myself perma-banned for expressing my views. I want to make it clear I never mentioned his sexuality, his mother or any insulting terms. |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 5 Joined: 13 Jul 2008   | GUYS! GUYS! Holy crap, I just saw Tim Buckley at the beach, right? GUESS WHAT HE DID? HE JUMPED OVER A SHARK ON WATER-SKIS!! Metaphorically, that is. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 4 Joined: 13 Jul 2008 | I love this for many different reasons so i had to make a post First i think the video is hilarious , made me laugh anyway I also enjoy the posts that i read , does everyone that post feel that their opinion cares? "CAD has gone so farup its own arse it can stick its hand out of its mouth" As for me , funny comic , But that doesnt mean i cant enjoy CAD or i must suddenly kiss ass Please stop , or no in fact carry on , u make my reads more interesting as you no doubt think i have nothing to do As for Tim`s story , it doesnt make him sadistic or horrible or an arse , all he did was put something into his comic which most nerds dont like because it doesnt make em feel good about themselves because they cant Ah i think im done , maybe ill post something new , maybe another rant Gratz yatzee , ur a great person , your videos are funny , but i would rather have followers made out used toilet roll than some of these guys , i apologise for just the one example whoever it was , theres loads , Now im done , I will w8 for that happy reply |
Paperboy  Posts: 29 Joined: 19 Jun 2008 |
People don't dislike the miscarriage bit because it "doesn't make them feel good about themselves" or any of those other things; people dislike it because IT DOESN'T FIT THE STRIP AT ALL. CAD was a lighthearted gaming strip beforehand. While many people hated it, there was something about it that quite a few people liked. It's not smart to throw out what made people like the strip and awkwardly insert an extremely serious topic. But even worse, it didn't go anywhere with it. It's also disrespectful of the subject matter. Now I actually kinda liked CAD, but this miscarriage was a truly terrible idea. It doesn't work at any level in the strip. I really don't feel like restating all the reasons it was terrible as I've done it multiple times already in this thread, but the entire thing was bungled so badly it's about as bad as that whole "orc rape" arc of Dominic Deegan. Anyway, the reason I came here was because I was wondering if anyone saw today's FoxTrot comic, as it kind of relates to this topic (take note: Bill Amend is a guy who actually knows how to make good nerd and geek jokes). Anyone happen to know what "The Ecstasy of Tech" is supposed to be a reference to though? I recognize the others (Penny Arcade, PvP, and xkcd) |
Copy Clerk Posts: 86 Joined: 27 Jun 2008 |
I can't believe this thread is still going...Well, I can, but I'm surprised it's going longer than the Metal Gear one. Eh, whatever. Anyway, assuming you're referring to my post, it was, and I quote: It was a statement not meant to be funny or clever, but to be used an example of the ABSURD level of Buckleys ego. If he were merely, I don't know, normal "head up his ass" level, I wouldn't have tossed in the "warping physics and so on" line. Absurd statements made during an argument are frequently only used to parallel an equal level of absurdity or to drive home a point. Oh, and it's "hypocritical". You may want to work with firefox as it has a built in right-click spellcheck if more spelling problems persist. Gotta say though, the name is pretty odd. Considering even the most bearded-neck in all the land makes it outside to socialize occasionally, I'm not getting where you're going. That said, I'm curious as to why people believe that because some of us agree with Yahtzee it's brown nosing. Personally, I disagree with him every so often but I don't care enough to get my nickers in a twist trying to defend against valid criticism. I just go "Oh, well, yeah that is the case...But I still love it anyway." Case in point, Super Smash Brothers Brawl. I enjoy the game, but I also see the points made, what with them being accurate and all. As an aside to that mini-tangent, people read plenty of books that don't make them "feel good" or "Blow their load/funny etc./relate to" Take these for example: The Ender Series - A series starting with the loss of innocence and the genocide of what is essentially a peaceful race. Said genocide would have been easily averted if not for the language barrier between the two. It moves onward to more death of loved ones and heartbreak, but is held up by the idea of working toward a greater good, in which case individual sacrifice is necessary. I suppose you could say that "Working toward a greater good" could make people feel better, but not quite in the way you're describing. Silver Surfer "Requiem" - This should fill in that guy who referred to reading "real" comics. It's easily one of the most heartbreaking mini-series I've ever read and most assuredly won't make someone "feel good" because it centers around the almost godlike character DYING GRUESOMELY! Seriously, it's so amazingly beautiful in both art and writing that if you don't at least tear up at the end, you don't have a soul. The Sandman - Read it, and take a look at the events surrounding Daniel Hall and the end of the series. Hippolyta 'Lyta' Hall reacts in a way that a mother, or anyone for that matter, would if she found out her child was gone. Now child abduction and miscarriage are two VASTLY different topics, but it gives you and idea of how a grieving mother should be acting (Assuming you ignore the "craaazy fantasy" aspect and focus only on her emotions and line of thought.). That aside, the story can be summed up as *SPOILERS* the most convoluted suicide ever *END SPOILERS* I can guarantee there's only a select few people who could relate to Morpheus, and even those who can wouldn't really call it a "feel good" piece. Just throwing all this out there. I somehow doubt I'll be getting a response, or a rational one at least. C'est la vie. To Lord_Seth, please refrain from mentioning the "orc rape" storyline ever, forever. The fact that some are fans of it still pains me in ways I can't accurately describe with words...It's best left forgotten. That said, I'm curious as to "the ecstasy of Tech" as well. I can't think of any that it would be. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 1 Joined: 14 Jul 2008 |
You gotta be pretty mature to show your cock to a 14 year old amirite? |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 10 Joined: 14 Jul 2008 | good effort yatzee!, as always, i enjoyed it very much! |
Beat Writer Posts: 183 Joined: 11 Jul 2008 | Fact is, though, Buckley is up his own arse. You have to be not to allow any form of criticism WHATSOEVER on your forums. Hell, the man sits on wikipedia practically all day and instantly edits any criticism at all. The only reason there is a criticism section is because the admins told him off. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 4 Joined: 13 Jul 2008 | lol , didnt realize it was gonna be taken so seriously its just a post , i did it to make people respond , Quite easy to get under people`s skins these days eh? Its just a comic , if he did it badly stop reading it , everyone makes mistakes , i am pretty sure most of u who argue this dont stand a chance in making comics , he has a skill , he tried to enchance it , it didnt work, it was his choice , no post will change that i didnt know firefox had a spellchecker , i spelt it wrong , the grammar was bad, my name isnt meant to be that funny , infact odd is probably right ,i havent read those other comics , im not going to , but i do read good books, Mr men is nice,Your comments mean nothing to me , im not bothered if u think tims up his own arse , im not bothered how u meant it, i dont really care , |
Anonymous Source Posts: 3 Joined: 11 Jul 2008 |
Go jump in a fire. |
Paperboy Posts: 29 Joined: 19 Jun 2008 |
Evidently, you still don't know. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 86 Joined: 27 Jun 2008 |
And here I was thinking this was all over and done. Ah well, more fun for me. ...Uh, I did respond. What more were you lookin' for there chief? I can speak only in the manner with which I'm accustomed and as such shall in no way endeavor to make my language more palpable for the boorish masses. In other words, I'm not dumbing down my speech for the stupids. As for getting under my skin, like I said earlier, it's an easy way to kill ten minutes. Besides, it also gives me a chance to get my rant on, and lord knows I don't get to do that very often. If someone does badly on something in a professional manner, he should expect people throwing his mistakes in his face. This is what happens when you start doing something for money (And since he hocks products based off the comic, I consider his doing it is for the purpose of making money) As for "Standing a chance in making comics" I'd say B^Uckley there isn't exactly comic material either, unless you mean WEB-comics, in which case a retarded quadriplegic is suited for them...So right up your alley. As for his attempt to "enhance" his comic, if someone designed an arcade game that punched you in the nuts whenever you got hit on screen, you'd be annoyed by it. Sure, it may be an attempt to work with a new direction, but that new direction is obviously centered around a bad idea. The jagoff couldn't even be bothered to see it all the way to the end. He fails ALL OVER the spectrum. In order: It does, of course you did hence the correction, no kidding, I would assume not, as I frequently am, your loss, your loss again, I somehow doubt that, I've no clue what "Mr. Men" is, ditto there kiddo, I fail to see why you would be, I'm pretty indifferent either way, and I concur on that last point. Like I said, this stuff is a good way to waste time while giving me a chance to both rant and do a little debating exercises. Three minutes to a mini-rant, a new record! |
Muckraker Posts: 337 Joined: 8 Dec 2007 |
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Paperboy Posts: 35 Joined: 27 Feb 2008 | I webcomic that is actually worth wasting 20 minutes about. |
Paperboy Posts: 17 Joined: 23 Jun 2008  | But the fact remains that CAD is not an action/drama comic made by DC or Marvel, it's a silly, wacky, video game webcomic. Buckley began making this comic in the hopes to make people laugh, and it seems to me that he's lost his way. His arrogence is making him believe that he can get away with webcomic suicide. If Buckley really wanted to tackle the sensitive issues, he could just as easily make a new, more mature webcomic where he can talk about dead babies all he wants without disrupting the tone CAD. But what he's doing now is the equvilent of a doctor describing the symptoms of AIDS at a Chucky Cheese party. |
Paperboy  Posts: 17 Joined: 26 Jun 2008 | Wow. The vitriol. The verbal violence. The hatred. Can it be? Yes, it is conversations on an internet forum! Well, here, for the record, are my several cents worth. I tend to like CAD, especially Chef Brian. Ciao bellas and bellos. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 3 Joined: 11 Jul 2008 |
Sure - if by "doctor" you mean mediocre webcomic artist. The problem is that Buckley clearly has no experience or knowledge of the subject matter at hand. He only introduced the miscarriage for the purposes of shock value and unnecessary drama. It also served as a plot device to write out the baby he obviously didn't want to include in the comic on a regular basis. This is not someone trying to change the direction of his comic onto more mature territory. It's simply a bad writer fumbling with an unpleasant concept he barely understands in order to increase his website traffic. Now that the deed is done, he's already wiped his hands of it and is going back to making retarded, overly worded game jokes with occasional chauvinistic undertones. Hooray! |
Paperboy Posts: 13 Joined: 2 Jul 2008 | I like the serious discussion but the people who keep posting "Tim Buckley shows his penis to minors" should either realize that IT PROBABLY NEVER HAPPENED or DEMONSTRATE PROOF. Since Tim Buckley hasn't been arrested as a child molester then I doubt that the latter will happen which leaves us with the former. Anyways... CAD has had serious or semi-serious bits in the past. For example the bit where Lucas' girlfriend tried to kill him with her real boyfriend. Not exactly serious because it was so far fetched but still. As for Dominic Deegan: I have been reading the comic for a year or two now and I really like it. The author is fleshing out a very deep and involved fantasy universe. So he dealt with ONE unsavory topic. It was done in a way that is MUCH better than the way most Manga deal with anything to do with a serious topic that isn't death. (to clarify I am referring to the way in which 90% of Manga seems to devolve into shots of women's (breasts/underwear/back's while their in the shower) whenever the topic of sexuality comes up) Do I like to talk about rape or miscarriage? Honestly no. But that doesn't mean I am going to condemn CAD or Dominic Deegan because it dealt with them. If you feel that CAD has gone in a direction that you can't stomach then go do something else besides post venomous opinions all over the internet. Oh yeah one last thing. I honestly have no idea about the size of Tim Buckley's ego but from his news posts I wouldn't say it's that big. In general I would like hard proof (I can believe the Wikipedia edits bit without everyone linking me to a bunch of page histories) but if I had to guess Mr. Buckley has over reacted because he was afraid of what the internet would do to a bit of hearsay. If I could change one thing about the internet it would be the way in which it can take a totally unsupported statement which is not in any way true and cook up two dozen supports for it in a few days/hours. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 86 Joined: 27 Jun 2008 |
First CAD, now someone mentions Deegan here again? This is too awesome. CAD has always had serious storylines in the past...Sure, I guess you could call them "serious" but as you pointed out, they're so far fetched that they become unbelievable. Not to mention B^Uckleys ham hands don't help at all in that regard. They smother what little potential there was to be found, no matter how small that potential was. That, and the outright misogyny in a couple of those "serious" storylines that make them further laughable. As for Terracino, his "deep and involved" fantasy universe is in no way "deep and involved" He has yet to describe anything beyond the surface level. Even there, it's a mishmash of half completed ideas. Okay, see, there's orcs, and they're like tribal and shit with nature magic. They're pretty cool, and they're nomads for some reason, 'cause that's awesome as well. Oh, and these four armed things that live in a watery area, for some reason. They're magic, I don't have to explain it. Calaan is totally like an empire, sort of, and it's got knights and shit that do things. They've got magic too, but who cares, the only humans INTERESTING and DEEP enough to go into are the main characters, Mary-Sue and his cheerleaders, annoying talking animal that's required in every faux manga ever produced, hackneyed love interest, "random" character who's a golem but despite being fueled by evil necromantic energy is NOT in fact evil...Oh, and did I mention how super special awesome the world is yet? Yeah, it's totally bitchin'. There's no depth to anything. In fact, I dare you to find an iota of depth in any storyline. Hell, the only interesting concept dim bulb up there has pulled out was the "elemecca" or whatever, and even then it wasn't an original idea. That's not the point though. The point is that he describes a vast amount of things on the surface and never bothers to flesh them out. Here's some nice questions, what shape does this world take/what size is it/where's a damn map so we can at least see how all these random ass geographical features fit together? How did the humans propagate so thoroughly throughout the land when everything, EVERYTHING, can punk them out physically, mentally, and magically? Assuming the races are just benevolent like that, why haven't the humans overrun the hippies, what with us being greedy, power hungry, land grabbing, assholes like we're depicted? Why is the fat necromancer "characterized" as a decent person? Regardless of intent, he's still subverting the laws of nature. He even speaks about this with the CHAMPION OF BALANCE! Does this not strike you as odd, perhaps even somewhat out of what little character they have? That ranting done, we don't care that it went in a "different direction" we care that it was horribly handled despite being planned out well in advance. Things done far in advance shouldn't be this bad, if for no other reason than the writer had plenty of time to polish his ideas. Unfortunately Buckley writes, as stated earlier, with ham hands. He's ham handed. What little saving grace there could have been was washed away by his own ineptitude as a "writer". Yes, because we all should be judged by the place in which we act in the most professional manner possible, not how we act EVERYWHERE! Here, look at his ED page. Despite ED being 'tard central, the information they gather on "web personalities" or what have you is impeccable. So much better it is to lynch a man with a cord he himself has wrought. Yes, nothing satisfies like watching a person hang themselves with their own actions and the "people" at ED know this. Take a look, and behold your proof, also included is info on his webcomic...just for shits and giggles. http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Tim_Buckley As for the internet's ability to support unsupported information...Buh? If it's supported, it's not unsupported. Perhaps you mean the "support" lacks credence, but you may want to state that. Either way, look at the ED pages again. Long story short, if this doesn't convince you nothing short of Buckley spitting in your face will. Ten minute rant-o-matic has completed it's duties. One Wall 'o Text free of charge. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 91 Joined: 30 Apr 2008 | Well heres my thought: CAD wasnt bad for a long while. Its sense of humour was right for me, it even got sorta better mid way through. Then it took a trip to shitty town but despite myself, i still read it and the last two had a pretty funny punchline. I dont read CAD forums because it will be full of ass and suck from the fanbois and general retard-trolls anywway...sort of like the few shambling around here. ZeroPunc though has always been good, from the very start. I dont know this post turned into a comparison between them...dont know why...anyway. CAD has buggered itself with barbed wire and should be able to drag itself out of the shit if Tim decides he isnt very funny when dealing with SRS BZNS. I read that back to myself and go bwuh. Meh |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 596 Joined: 13 Nov 2007    | ED is one of the most pathetic excuses for a satire site on the net. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 91 Joined: 30 Apr 2008 | I agree. Uncyclopedia has a much better take on things |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 6 Joined: 31 Jul 2005 | This video is rather buggy for me. I was able to watch it through but whenever I try and access it it gets to "so you saw penny Arcade and how much money, prestige and money they get for 9 panels a week" and then it cuts itself off and stops playing o.o |
The Penny Arcade strips are easy to "decipher" with a quick perusal of the news post accompanying the strip, which can be easily accessed, as the news button will take you to the news for the strip you're browsing at the time.
This feature is not utilised by CAD, which means you have to search an archive if you want info concerning a particular page.