| (Pages: 1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 ... 21) | |
Paperboy Posts: 41 Joined: 27 Aug 2008 | |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2947 Joined: 20 Dec 2007     | I can't watch the video but I already know he hated it, EVE is Yahtzee's nightmare, it's the deepest MMO out there and since he can't get through it in 2 hours he's gonna kill himself if he goes on any farther. *sees EVE online and Age of Conan advertised like crazy on this site* Uh-oh...Good thing Yahtzee is way more valuable than Jeff Gertsman. |
Paperboy Posts: 24 Joined: 8 Aug 2008 | lol eve..my friend tried to get me into that but my response just a plain and simple no |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2947 Joined: 20 Dec 2007 | OK why do people call UI's "intuitive"? Do menu's have "intuition"? Alright, whatever - back to the review Isn't the skill system there so you DON'T have to grind? You click the skill, and then you PLAY THE GAME WHILE IT LEVELS UP FOR YOU! Eh, I guess I thought it was a good idea. |
Muckraker  Posts: 249 Joined: 2 Apr 2008     |
Champagne is only produced in the Champagne region of France. If it comes from anywhere else, it isn't Champagne. This is why I cringe when some dipstick tells me he's had some really nice Californian Champagne. It's rather like claiming you're Black when you're skin is whiter than Paris Hilton's bedsheets. |
Paperboy Posts: 12 Joined: 4 Sep 2008  |
True, but then, even X2 was better than Freelancer and X2 had all the depth of a really deep teaspoon. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 925 Joined: 22 Jul 2008   |
So far off topic now, but don't you find that a slightly elitist opinion? I know that because of legal action it officially isn't Champagne when it comes from somewhere else now, but it seems almost like saying "Well Kiwi-Fruits are clearly only from New Zealand because they have Kiwi in their name, and if you grow a kiwi fruit in Australia then it isn't actually a kiwi fruit and you'll have to call it 'Sparkling Fruit' instead of an Australian grown Kiwi-Fruit." So personally I don't think it sounds like claiming your black when your actually white, that would be like calling Carlton Cold 'Carlton Champagne'. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 3 Joined: 4 Sep 2008 | Maybe you guys who don't like eve should go to the doctor and talk to him about your lack of opposable thumbs? |
Paperboy  Posts: 20 Joined: 25 Aug 2007 |
It's actually more like selling "genuine Cuban cigars" that are made in South Korea. But the man is correct even if he has a poor analogy. Your kiwifruit analogy is also poor however, since they've only been called kiwifruit since the 60's because Chinese gooseberry had poor marketing appeal during the cold war. And were only introduced into NZ at the turn of last century regardless. ANYHOW, this was my favourite ZP in a while. I haven't been finding it as funny lately, but I enjoyed this one no end. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 5 Joined: 18 Jul 2008 | I think it's funny how so many people here are saying they won't try EVE because he did not like it, didn't he jsut get done yelling at people in the mailbag showdown because they wait for someone supposedly in authority to tell them yay or nay? EVE can never try to be WoW because it was out way before WoW was so that arguement makes no sense and like I said in the first reply, this game is not for everyone, dedicated players who enjoy it don't want you hack and slash MMO players. If you like a game that makes you think and in which you must actually take the time to put into it then come and join us I personally run a player corporation made specifically to help new players learn the game and find out what they would like to do within it, you can contact my character Alesa Gillespie in game and I will be happy to bring you on board. All you WoW hack and slashers need not apply since there is no way to play for a week straight and be at the highest level. |
Paperboy  Posts: 22 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 | Frankly, it looks like this review brings out the PC Gaming Master Race out of the woods to tell us we console-playing dirty hippies are subhuman scum. Except that Eve is boring and not deep or complex. Eve is shallow and broad. There's five billion different systems with very few interesting details in any of them. I've seen dozens of people try to convince me I need to play Eve at least three months and find a perfect group to play it with to actually voice an opinion. The problem is that a good group saves almost any game - WoW with a good group is really fun, as are the vast majority of MMORPGs - and that if a 14-day trial isn't enough to determine if you like the game style or not, the game is horribly designed. And frankly, having played Eve I have to agree with Yahtzee. It's boring and oftentimes I wished I had a game to play while I wait for production/autopilot/warp. It might be a great economic simulator but a good game it is not. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 925 Joined: 22 Jul 2008 |
Yeah I'm aware of the whole gooseberry thing but I didn't know who else would be, kiwi fruit was just the first thing I thought off. And its far too early in the morning here! Don't judge Me! Joking by the way. Before we get lost in more pointless and confusing analogies, what I meant is that its kind of a petty copyright issue. Each to his own though, and I think I'll stop trying to drag this further off-topic. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 91 Joined: 14 Aug 2008   |
and mayby you could get out of your house for once? |
Paperboy Posts: 22 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 | Also, that. Everyone who doesn't like Eve is automatically an idiot and possibly a monkey, and needs to pay CCP more money to try again if they'd like it better repeating their bad experience. I mean, the fanboy rage is worse than what I get from WoW fans. |
Paperboy Posts: 41 Joined: 27 Aug 2008 |
Strawman. Personally I play on all platforms, because I dont want to miss out on great games regardless on what system they are on. Unlike you. And the only one who have come with negative characteristics of people, is yahtzee and you and your fellow 'omg I played EVE for 30 minutes and decided it was crap' squads.
Oh the irony! |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 467 Joined: 29 May 2008   | I completely agree, it seems like a game that doesn't want to be played. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 2 Joined: 4 Sep 2008 | Awesome review as always, and dead on in this case. The only good thing I can say about EVE is that it made me feel the vastness of space like no other game... by boring me to tears. |
Paperboy Posts: 18 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 |
I like playing games with other people. MMO's, splitscreen/online FPS, Guitar Hero, I don't care. Playing on your own against the computer is purely and simply less fun than playing with and/or against people. Bottom line, you're not wrong: games are for fun. But your fun and mine aren't the same. Some people like DJ's, "choons" and dancefloors, I prefer bands, "songs" and moshpits.
No. Strategy is a long-term battle-plan, tactics is the short-term implementation of that part of the plan using conditions and resources available.
100-vs-1 is very much strategy and tactics; i.e., planning how you're going to make sure you're the 100 and not the 1. Figuring out how to create situations where you have the advantage and avoid situations where you don't is a cornerstone of BOTH strategy AND tactics, and abject failure to employ either is usually the reason you find yourself in a 100-vs-1 encounter in the first place. I'm sorry if you thought charging around blind and attacking everything you see would be as effective in MMO PvP as they are in GTA.
Granted, but if you explore, talk to people and actually try things out - as you're supposed to in a sandbox game - you'll find the good bits in Eve quite quickly. If you sit there and keep doing the same thing in virtual silence, expecting it to become fun, you won't. Bottom line, people with no imagination who need big neon signs pointing to the fun won't enjoy Eve and shouldn't even bother. Not to say that imaginative self-starters will definitely like it, but it makes them Might Do's instead of Definitely Won'ts.
You aren't. Unless you're a mission-grinder or a career miner, but those people are freaks. I don't understand them either. |
Paperboy Posts: 22 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 |
Q.E.D. Plus, I played Eve for two weeks and go so caught up in it I wanted to buy a sub. Until I realized I spent more time waiting than gaming and that I wasn't going to find a corp worth anything in a million years in Minmatar 1.0 space. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 7 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 |
I've played both, they're different games, enjoyable for their own qualities. Keep in mind sir that in EVE Online you're not flying fighters, your flying what in Freelancer terms are the battleships and cruisers. It's a cap ship simulator, and I think you can agree with me that ships of that size can't be worked with a joystick. You can argue that EVE should have went a different route, that's fine. You're free to love or hate the game, just please give it a chance first. |
Paperboy Posts: 48 Joined: 28 Nov 2007 | I was kind of surprised that Yahtzee missed one of the central, and highly insultable, points of EVE so entirely. EVE is a game that removes most of the player abillity from gaining power. Enduring Grinds, doing dungeons, raiding, PVP, none of that increases your abillity. The only thing that matters is the amount of real time you put into the game since the passage of time is what raises your skills. The huge number of skills present on first analysis seems like the game is presenting a highly advanced RPG enviroment with a lot of options for micromanaging things. This isn't really true. They kept adding more skills and such to the game as people spent enough time to max out what was there. The idea being to give the long time players something to advance in. EVE is based around the idea that the longest-term players are the most powerful, and by definition newer players/corps no matter how skilled simply cannot catch up to them. An important point when you consider the Free-for all nature of PVP. Also if Yahtzee didn't like the combat, thankfully he missed the point that the most efficient way to start is doing things like mining astroids in high security sectors where being attacked by other players isn't as much of a factor. *THAT* said, I myself would like to see a good Science Fiction MMORPG where you can do stuff both on the ground and in space. However to do this right would ultimatly involving developing 2 MMORPGs (differant engines) and then selling them for one price/membership fee. This is why people haven't spent much time trying to do it. So far the only attempt was Star Wars Galaxies, their space supplement being an X-wing Vs. Tie Fighter twitch game that didn't fit in with the rest of the RPG experience. Honestly if someone was to Adapt EVE to work on an exps system where you earned Exps by doing things rather than the passage of real time, and then combine it with say an adapted Anarchy Online for ground/planet based action you would see the ultimate Science Fiction MMORPG. Alas noone wants to develop more than one engine/world for a single game at the moment so we're unlikely to see it. At any rate Yahtzee did surprise me, I expected comments about him being a Space Miner and how boring it was to truck rocks back to a base to sell. It ruins my plan to start referring to him as 'Crusher' Ben given his love of Anime. :) >>>----Therumancer---> |
Paperboy Posts: 18 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 |
That's what it seems like, but you're forgetting about three important things: 1. Each skill only goes up to level 5. In personal terms, you *can* and *will* catch up to the veterans, because there's a hard cap on how much benefit their time in-game can give them at any particular moment. Beyond a certain point, a player's SP tally affects their versatility from battle to battle much more than it does their effectiveness in any one battle. As for newer corps, there are of course problems if you start out with a new corp comprised only of new players, but even in that situation, you - again - *can* and *will* catch up to the veterans as your pilots skill up and learn, thanks to the wonders of diminishing returns. |
Paperboy Posts: 22 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 | I don't get the people who say Eve doesn't have grind. It has the exact same grind sandwich WoW does, with the possible exception that you can actually make a living with PvP unless you get repeatedly shot out of the sky - which you will if you try that as a newbie - but the grind is for money instead of experience. It isn't any less grind if it's a gp grind instead of an xp grind. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 7 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 | Therumancer, first, CCP does have future plans to be able to fly into planet atmospheres, beyond that I'm not sure, but I have heard of plans to include planets into the game. Second, it's a common misconception that the newbie cannot possibly catch up with a vet. that's not really true. The only thing the vet gains is the ability to diversify more, train more types of weapons/ship ro train an industrial skill, but as far as one line of ships and weapons, he can only go so far, and a newbie could reach him within six months if that as far as battleships go. |
Paperboy Posts: 18 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 |
The grind's there if you can't think of anything else at that moment, or if you're one of the specimens who enjoys that sort of thing, but people have found other ways. Istvaan Shogatsu and his Guiding Hand Social Club, "mercenaries" who specialise in infiltrating and ripping off their contract's targets spring to mind as a famous example, but there are other ways. The key is that you're expected to come up with them yourself, and the grind is just what you do if you're out of ideas. Once again, no neon signs. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 1 Joined: 4 Sep 2008 | I been watching Yath"ZZZ" from the start, and while it started funny, and i thought he actually knows how to review a mmorpg game. You actually don't Y. While EVE Online has many week points, most of them you pointed out are not. You have a cocky opinion which is funny sometimes, but you don't digg enough to actually see a game and his features, so lately is not even funny.. You know what i understand from your review about the game? "I am lassy Aussie Ass on cracks, and i cannot play deep, complex games, i just wanna shoot things, and also get all from the start, if possible". Also the "cliche" about Geeks, please thats so 90's, you didn't evolve ? Everybody has a hobby, a drug, anything. I don't consider anybody geek, and i am not one or maybe i am sometimes, who cares. EVE Online has different target then your WOW example, where they targeted to be played by your dog and the crack whore in the front of the Naughty Bar you visit to get inspiration( Accessibility ? PFF! Money! ). EVE has 300k subscribers for a reason, it has the harshest pvp and the best out here, and also it very complex and PLAYER DRIVEN. You know where actually you do something in that world and you can influence it, participate in something epic. CCP Games didnt started to make a game to be played by every moron on the planet so they can get rich, tho i must admit WOW introduced a few standards, good ones. -You Shoulded said about the PVE Content more, and why it good or bad. - Construction of huge ships like Titans and Motherships, it basically a fuking country there and you made a review after a 14 day trial, lol. Escapist dont be so cheap and buy him an account next time... So please stay away from MMORPG GAMES. To truly review a MMORPG Game, it takes at least month(depends on how many features it has, the complexity and other things), because they are deeper then you average single player game that you can review it after 8 hours of playtime max. In the last 6 months your reviews are worser, and worser, and not because i am fanboy of a game, but you started to miss features to review, and you just want to get a quickie in the game, where it makes you uber from the 1-3 hours and that's about it. You WIN!. At least you get traffic and people click ze ADS. HINT! HINT! P.S. Played EVE Online for about 2 years, hardcore pvper, and loved most of it, but indeed i quited the game because of the carebears like Yathzee who lately are flooding the game, and when they see a powerfull group of 10 people(with real experience not EQUIP, Yazthsme), even if they are 20, they run... |
Paperboy Posts: 22 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 |
A bit of an ad hominem addict eh? |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 3 Joined: 4 Sep 2008 | I remember playing EVE Online.. I found it so insanely boring and unfriendly, I don't believe I played past the first day. I couldn't understand why my friend enjoyed it so much. I had more fun just fishing in Final Fantasy XI. |
Paperboy  Posts: 20 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 | Hmm thinking about necroing my old account. Good one Y now donīt forget to review Darkfall when it surfaces ;) |
Paperboy Posts: 34 Joined: 9 Aug 2008 | I think the biggest problem in EVE remains that whoever has been playing longest is automatically the best. That, and how complicated the combat system is. Don't get me wrong, it's quite realistic, but for ships that can at most only sport 8 guns/missile launchers, it's a bit complex compared to that simplicity. And the PvE becomes the same monotonous grind with things that will pop you slightly faster than the previous group of things unless you have so many hardeners that 3k shot turns into a 50 damage shot. Really, the only change between level 1 and level 4 missions is that now instead of a frigate, you're generally in a battleship, and you have so many hardeners that you take about the same amount of damage your frigate was taking, but your armor repairer/shield booster does about 10 times the amount now. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 3 Joined: 4 Sep 2008 |
Yeah no, if you don't know how to fit and fly your ship in pvp you will still suck hardcore. I solo pepople with twice the time in the game as me every day because they armor tank a vagabond or sit on a in a nano ship. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 54 Joined: 14 Nov 2007 |
That's a difference. There you play with friends and have a good time... let's say for an evening or a couple of hours. It's not like filling up a chat window with nonsense and allying with total strangers just so you are in the dealing end of a Gang-Bang. The problem with this games is that it's not "friends playing together" but "socializing" crap. I like playing PoA with a couple of guys I know or Quake back then with people on a LAN. This is fun but this is the important difference: play "with" friends and not play "against" total strangers. Later one is what MMOs try to achieve and they fail since it's just clobbered together out of nowhere and has therefore no "meat" nor "will to exist".
PoA has tactics for example but not this game here. Chess has strategy but not this game. In a game to be competitive, fun and challenging you need a balance game with a reasonable set of alternatives. Then strategy and/or tactics ( depending on the game ) comes into play. MMOs are about crawling into the arse of high ranking players to GB others. This is at best back-stabbing and arse-licking but has not even the slightest to do with strategy or tactics in a fair and challanging match.
Wrong. It's cheating and in general unfair playing ( or "trashing" how we call this kind of play style ). Unbalanced gameplay is a failure since it rewards only the cheaters and the lamers glueing to high rankers to do their work. This is not strategy nor tactics ( see above ).
If I have already imagination why then pay big bucket for a broken gameplay where only "my imagination" ( and that of others ) is fixing the failure? If the game would be free, okay, go on and let the players fix the broken game with imagination... it's their problem. But paying for a broken game experience is simply one of the reasons todays gaming industries sucks so hard.
Isn't this exactly what you need to get anywhere to start with? And those using it are simply uber without having to do anything? I stick there to Yathzees view in that a game which is designed to amuse while you play it requires you to go amuse yourself doing something else is simply a failure. |
Paperboy  Posts: 12 Joined: 27 Jun 2008 | never played the game but i like the review as always and it mad me laugh alot...... yahtzee never disapoints keep it up |
That didnt make much sense.
I'm not trying to convince you. What I'm trying to say is that EVE isnt crap for the reasons mentioned in the review, not the reason most people have given as they obviously dont know what EVE actually is.
Different strokes for different folks and, not your cup of tea etc etc. Just because I dont like guitar hero type of games, doesnt mean I will automatically say its crap. It's just not my type of game.