News Room Contributor Posts: 4180 Joined: 12 Nov 2002 | |
Beat Writer Posts: 217 Joined: 12 Oct 2007 | I'm really trying to give Gamespot the benefit of a doubt here, but that FAQ just reeks of Fox News style spin. It really feels like they're insulting the intelligence of the Gamespot community here. Altered the review text to be more "in line" with the score it was given, took down the video review due to "mic issues", Gerstmann being let go due to "internal reasons". This big ol' coincidence angle is pretty pathetic. I just don't buy it, especially after the fake reviews Eidos posted earlier on it's own page. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 7 Joined: 25 Sep 2007 | I'm with Icarus. There's a lot of stink here - Eidos has proven themselves to be liars, and then for the review to have "issues" just when the mic has "issues" at the same time that the employee has "issues" - Even worse, when no other Gamespot employee knew of any issues from the reviewer until they were fired. Something stinks here, and it could be easily resolved. If both Gerstmann and the company approved, they could easily say "Here's why". There's no reason for the secret. And until they resolve it, I'm certainly not stepping food near Gamespot any time in the future - and perhaps I should avoid Gamestop as well, just for good measure. |
IT Director Posts: 845 Joined: 13 Jun 2002 | This is my favorite part:
The man didn't die - they fired him. Holding tributes and special reports on someone you fired is, at best, tacky. Way to try to milk this for everything you can! |
Paperboy Posts: 33 Joined: 12 Dec 2006 |
For pity's sake... |
Anonymous Source Posts: 6 Joined: 4 Dec 2007 | I like how they've admitted an abitrary score is way more important than any text that may be in the review. It seems as if they pick a score for a game then try to write a review around it to fit into that score. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 8 Joined: 5 Nov 2007 | First they claim Gerstmann was late and as a result the video was rushed, footage only from the 1st level blah blah, now the mic wasn't good enough. I don't remember noticing that anything was wrong with the sound when watching the review. If they're telling the truth they're making a very good job of seeming like a bad liar. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 505 Joined: 13 Nov 2007 | Are they even TRYING to seem honest about this? |
Muckraker Posts: 298 Joined: 21 Nov 2007 | http://www.gamespot.com/pages/tags/index.php?sid=6183666&type=news&tag=tags;more Somehow, I don't think they bought it... |
Paperboy Posts: 44 Joined: 12 Nov 2007 | Preposterous. At least the video review still lives. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 72 Joined: 20 Nov 2007 | Problem: The review text doesn't fit the score. Solution: Change the score, NOT the text. I can't believe this... any of it... |
Paperboy Posts: 27 Joined: 3 Dec 2007 | I love how "up-yours-cnet" is on the most popular tags list. If Gamespot were smart they'd just shut the hell up and wait for the internet to jump onto some other controversy next week. Assuming, the internal review is true, it's probably a reasonable step to believe it'd be their department as a whole getting audited. The fact that there's only been one person given the flick, is pretty ordinary. |
Beat Writer Posts: 141 Joined: 3 Oct 2007 |
True true...but then these are the people that didn't (or were unable to) think that firing one of the most tenured reviewers on the internet after he disliked a AAA title which happened to be buying 100K+ worth of ad space; wouldn't be a big deal. |
Beat Writer Posts: 151 Joined: 7 Nov 2007 | They say it is concidence, but i do not see the proof. It seems they are more trying to get more attention via the controversy, or trying to shut it up, but it doesn't work really. I got bored of the controversy, since i only see now, is that people are siding with gerstmann, yet don't freaking know what fired him. It's just that there is a void. For me, i shouldn't have posted. also, you people you should look for an other about this, just to see what questions are still there. |
Paperboy Posts: 33 Joined: 16 Aug 2007 | Can yoou spell "spin"? Cause they surely can. Even if the stuff about internal evaluation is true they want to make us believe that Gamespot is dumb enough to fire G. because of an internal evaluation exactly when he shuts down Kane & Lynch? We are not stupid... but maybe Gamespot is... |
News Room Contributor Posts: 4180 Joined: 12 Nov 2002 | Here's what I don't "get" about all this business: Everyone is talking about how Gerstmann took a dump all over Kane & Lynch, trashed the game up and down, called it every name in the book and all that, and then the thing gets a 6/10 score. Maybe I'm being unreasonably absolutist about it, but isn't that on the high side of average? Not "good," maybe, but a long way from a genuine steaming turd. This is what I really don't like about the whole mess: It's an indictment of the review system in use at so many places (particularly large sites like, oh, Gamespot) that simply will not issue a <5 score to a game unless the development team comes over to the reviewer's house and punches him in the nuts. If K&L was truly as awful as Gerstmann seemed to think, then why wasn't it hit with a 3/10 or 4/10? Reviews that rely on numerical scores as the ultimate arbiter of value have become almost meaningless, because the scoring system appears to be both arbitrary and often completely unrelated to the actual review. Gerstmann's firing looks to have uncovered an ugly aspect of the biz, but from where I sit it's really just a symptom of a far more endemic problem plaguing reviews, reviewers and review sites everywhere: An instinctual "need" to award scores using a grossly-inflated baseline that end up having no relevance to the reviewer's actual opinions. |
Beat Writer Posts: 194 Joined: 14 Nov 2007 | You hit the nail on the head. When you look at it, 6 out of 10, objectively, means that a game is more good than bad. If it were a movie review on a 5 star scale it would still be getting three stars. I know I don't outright dismiss a movie that gets a 3 star type rating, if I know it's the kind of movie I like, that kind of review from a reviewer isn't all that bad. But the resounding view is that a 6 out of 10 is horrible, and enough to let an employee go who gave a score like that (again, an overall positive score) to an advertiser. The fact that they've decided to go and edit the content of the review to make it more in line with it's numerical score, rather than vice versa is just further evidence that the system now in place has some fatal flaws. Advertising pressure aside. The scoring system video games are based on these days is clearly broken, you don't see movies giving different scores for sound, special effects, story, and acting. Most reviews take the sum of it's parts then give you an idea on if the movie is worth it or not. It's not perfect, but it works better than what the video game industry has. At this point, I would be more pleased with a review that is overall negative or positive that you may infer by reading the review; and if you want a scale, thumbs up or thumbs down, let the content of the review decide the rest. |
Head Video Dude Posts: 1878 Joined: 1 May 2006 | I was a conversation with a colleague from a major game blog recently. The occasion was a feature they were running on the problems with the game review system. He and I were comparing their feature with one I'd written several weeks prior. We decided the two articles were two sides of the same coin, theirs concentrating on the scoring system, and how the reliance on scores breaks the system, mine on the ethics of the review process, and how that breaks the system. My belief at the time was that one (pick one) was a cause for the other, and that fixing one, would make the other go away. I also believe that's what N'Gai was trying to say with his incredibly dense, self-indulgent essay on the subject the other day. But I realize now that it's just not that simple. I think the whole damn thing is flawed. I think we've come so far on a vehicle that has no wheels, and now we're carrying so much money around on our backs, that there's simply no way we're going to see a revision of the process that addresses its many flaws. Because the flaws are the system, and it's not the system we thought it was. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1079 Joined: 13 Jan 2007 | Want some spin?
Roll a D10 dice, it's easy. Actually, comparing several review videos, Gerstmann's last one really sounds like he's been filmed from inside a bathroom, or speaking through the flush pipe. You can hear what he says, well enough, but the sound reverberates in some kind of awful way. I've checked around, to compare his video review to others. Some of them have the reviewer's voice perfectly audible. Sometimes, it's very low, and you have to crank the volume up to understand what he says. As for the content, let's see. Gerstmann doesn't pause much, to leave the game reveal itself on its own. He keeps talking, so we never hear anything really safe Jeff. We can't hear the music, we can't hear the dialogues, and he doesn't show much of the features, actions and other systems available to the player. But what's sure is that he comments a lot on them. A damn lot. For example, the review of Assassin's Creed is better. It misses a couple of features (doesn't show enough of the mob reactions), but the sound is good, it covers plenty of other points, like the character's moves, a few camera features, the city layouts, some stuff about the backstory, and we do get a very well spirited understanding of the game's atmosphere. The music that plays behind is well mixed to the game's own VFW, and that's ace. So maybe, after all, he was getting a tad lazy around the corners, really. I wonder if he tried to end on a sort of positive note just because of the advertising pressure though. It's likely. For another example, look how he goes into the details, and offer very appetizing sequences, in his review of Gears of War. On the other hand, Gamespot are pulling the legal card, as "we can't speak due to legal terms" and it's all about "internal reasons", which precisely mean it can only remain private. Besides, his case is so well known now that it's impossible to ever hope have him intervene as an anonymous without immediately being spotted. I think we will never know. It will be funny to see how sales go on. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1079 Joined: 13 Jan 2007 |
Well, I'm convinced that scoreless reviews are better, because you really need to read the stuff in details, if not only to get the sidebar with pros and cons, at least. That said, how succesful scoreless reviews are? It's not a sided question. I really don't have any idea which side it swings in favour of. On the paper, Edge delivers lots of speech, but still plaster a number at the end, and though they still try to be tongue in cheek about it, they don't get around it. |
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Gamespot Issues "Gerstmanngate" FAQ
After a week of vague and empty statements in the face of rampant rumors, Gamespot has released an official FAQ about the firing of Jeff Gerstmann, addressing the various whys and wherefores of his termination, his Kane & Lynch review and Eidos' role in the affair.
The FAQ claims that statements regarding details of Gerstmann's departure from Gamespot were not made due to both CNET internal policy and California laws, which led to a "void of information" resulting in "conspiracy theories" suggesting that Eidos had pressured Gamespot into firing Gerstmann following his negative review of Kane & Lynch: Dead Men. Rumors were further fueled by the removal of Gerstmann's video review as well as edits made to the original review text.
"In the spirit of full disclosure to our readership, Gamespot News has been authorized by management to answer the following questions regarding the circumstances surrounding Gerstmann's exit," the FAQ says. According to the post, Eidos "voiced displeasure" to their contacts at Gamespot, but not to the editorial staff directly, and their reaction had no bearing on the decision to release Gerstmann. Questions about changes to the text and video reviews, the Kane & Lynch advertising campaign on Gamespot and other topics are also covered. The full Gamespot on "Gerstmanngate" FAQ can be read here.
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