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Brand Manager  Posts: 658 Joined: 8 Oct 2007    | The only reason the PS3 is going to start doing better is the fact that everyone thinks Blu-Ray has finally won the HD war (it's still not over, but it doesn't look good for HD-DVD). If they want to sell more, put some better games out for it. Is it really that hard to understand? |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 10 Joined: 4 Feb 2008   | I'm not sure why anyone would even care which console outsells which console. It doesn't affect us either way if we already own one or all of those systems. I can see if someone was trying to decide which one to get, but even then, if just comes down to the games. Now and days (if you have friends) people will buy the system that is more frequently owned by their fellow gamer buds. If all your friends have Xbox Live, why would you waste your time on the PSN? Graphical differences are negligible at best when looking at multi-platform games. |
BANNED Posts: 8 Joined: 20 Dec 2007 | coming from the company who's strategy is to sell the same game every year :s probably this is wishful thinking for third party games that aren't particulary doing that well on obsidian3 ex. Assasssin's Creed and CoD4 i assume since there's been complaints about the lack of online players and no rumble for altair :[ |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1809 Joined: 14 Nov 2007   | 1 and a half million? For the whole of Europe? Are they serious? That's a paltry figure, and one I'm highly cynical of. |
Muckraker  Posts: 235 Joined: 14 Jan 2008 | I'm a bit disappointed to read this. I really was hoping that the PS3 would continue to tank, not because I'm a 360 fanboy (I was PS, PS2 all the way), but because I figured that if it did, maybe Konami would port Metal Gear to XBox and I wouldn't have to buy a damn PS3 to play it. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 61 Joined: 30 Aug 2007 | This is practically meaningless. The only reason the PS3 is expected to perform better in sales is because everybody already has a 360. Halo 3, Mass Effect, Gears of War, etc., all boosted the sales of the 360, but that's now over. Now PS3 has MGS4, FF13, Uncharted, etc., which will boost their sales. Also: completely unrelated, my grandfather's 80th birthday was last night. A good friend of his got him a Wii. I'm so proud! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1116 Joined: 13 Jan 2007 |
They're possibly talking about the yearly sales, from january 2007 to january 2008. Cumulating the sales for a whole year, from UK, France, Germany, Spain and else, we get around 1.5 million units. The PS3 may get a good boost now that the hits are about to come out, but like the 360, the PS3 will reach plateaus. EDIT: reading the full data from the source, here's what's said: "...EA expects the PlayStation 3 to sell between 5 and 6 million units across the year, compared to just 1.5-2.5 million for the Xbox 360." So that's clearly a yearly estimate. Now, huh, 5-6 M just in one year? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2527 Joined: 21 Jan 2008    | Frankly, sales figures, like some people are point out, are kinda a moot point with people buying the PS3 because they might already have the 360 or they are using it for Blu-ray. What I want is some figures on the attach rate for the consoles (the amount of games the average owner of each console has). You have to remember that for the PS3 and 360, the software is what's bringing them money, so console figures isn't so important. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4756 Joined: 30 Jan 2008  | I'd like to be the first to say duh. And to the guy who says they either have it for Blu-Ray only or they also have a 360 - you're basing this on what, exactly? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4756 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
The difference is that the flood of new games won't stop after the first two year buzz, like it currently is for the 360. And I don't mean to be insulting, but isn't the relatively high energy movement object like the Wii not the sort of thing you want to give to an Octogenerian? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2527 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 |
Are you talking to me? I wouldn't know, since my username isn't 'the guy...'. Though, upon reading the paragraph, you're right. I have no statistic to back that claim, so I've changed it. That being said, it's a possibility, just like people buying the PS3 to play games on it. Again, this is why I request some attach rate figures. Meh. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4756 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
Yes, its a possibility, like the WTC attacks being orchestrated by "the jews". But is it likely? I severely doubt it. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2527 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 |
I can neither support nor refute that statement without cold, hard evidence, which unfortunately isn't given from this thread. If you have something else you'd like to share and contribute to the thread, then by all means go ahead. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4756 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
My own experience contradicts your earlier version of your method. As does the number of Ps3 magazines that still get high circulation, and the sales of both versions of games. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2179 Joined: 20 Dec 2007 | Wait what happened to Microsoft's crystal ball? I heard them say "The 360 will outsell the PS3 by the end of this console generation" - I mean, come on, they said it in public - it's gotta be true! ...right? Bah, game politics... |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4756 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
I think that was based on their first year of sales and the trends illustrated by that., which showed strong sales in the 360, but none in the ps3. Who could have forseen that it would turn around like this? |
Muckraker Posts: 235 Joined: 14 Jan 2008 |
You want evidence? I've got it right here, the cold, hard numbers... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1502 Joined: 13 Feb 2008  | You know, it doesn't matter anymore. It could mean less if one outsold the other. Before you read the below statement, know that I had the PS2, and really really wanted a PS3. I wanted it to do well so badly. I just couldn't afford a 600 dollar system. Heck, I am mainly a PC gamer anyhows. The 360 has FF13 now. Even if the PS3 outsells the 360, it still lost one of it's biggest exclusives. The PS3 would win with (pardon my french) a dick in it's mouth. Sure, it's a victory, but oh the shame... Then again none of us can predict the future - well maybe Anarchemitis can - so we don't really know what is going to happen. Maybe this will pull the PS3 ahead. EDIT: Oh my gosh read the above post. Holy crap that makes me laugh so hard. There is now no longer any argument as to whether or not the 360 is winning. I use the term "winning" loosely and regretfully, as it will probably start a flame war. I know it is just the American figures, but nobody cares about anyone who isn't America [/sarcasm] |
Copy Clerk Posts: 55 Joined: 23 Jan 2008  |
I did (not that I have any proof of the matter...) Didn't see the Wii doing the sorts of numbers it is though. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4756 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
Where did people get the idea that Final Fantasy 13 was one of the titles that the Ps3 was really leaning on?
Thats the US, which is likely to have figures warped in the 360's favour at present. Edit: And where the hell didf they get those figures from anyway? You can't trust sales, cause lack of region coding means that eBay would be a constant source of games, and unless they made sure there were no outside figures influencing, using samples would be useless |
Anonymous Source Posts: 4 Joined: 9 Jul 2008 | i think that most people will just buy a ps3 because they realize that it is far cheaper than buying an actual blue ray player, everyone i know who has a ps3 bought it for that reason. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2234 Joined: 10 Mar 2008    | It's pointless anyway, since both of the consoles are basically competing for 2nd place. Really, i know i might regret saying this as i'm sure it will draw attention, but i really hope that the Wii will end up in 2nd or better yet 3rd place in the wars. Not necisarily fail, just not where it is now. The Wii is basically a cool, electronic toy, and when you think about it what do you think the parents of a kid who know nothing of the gaming world will buy for their kid; a 360 with all those testosterone filled games (I.E. Gears of War, Halo 3) or the seemingly innocent kiddy-fun-fun games the Wii has? Now, there's nothing wrong with that, but at the same time there is. It's like Nintendo knows that no matter what they put out, people are going to buy it because it's "fun for all the family!!" (probably didn't make a good enough example) Because Nintendo is stuck firmly in the family friendly business, it hurts the gaming industry somewhat because, guess what, even more people are going to think that gaming is just for children and an immature hobby because Nintendo keeps pushing the "fun for family" stuff when many other games are not for children and will definately get attention from the media because they're not "fun-fun-happy-fun!" games. I better stop now, i don't think i'm on the topic. But on topic, i could care less if the Ps3 ended up 3rd, just so long as i have the games i want and people will leave the other consoles alone. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2527 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 |
Which I reckon is the attitude gamers should take. Unfortunately, with trolls and fanboys, sane console owners can't get any respite. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4756 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
I resent that. I feel that the Xbox 360 does not deserve the success they have received, due to their flagship product being mediocre and boring. I feel that their example is a bad indicator for other developers in the future. My resentment does not spread for the here and now, but for future console generations, and generations of gamers. |
Muckraker Posts: 235 Joined: 14 Jan 2008 |
Warped by what... consumer demand? And I would buy your argument that eBay could skew the figures, but there is no reason it would skew any heavier for 360 than it would for PS3. At least not one that I could think of. So, it looks like Stompy's theory about PS3 benefitting heavily from Blu-Ray rather than game sales may hold some water. I tried to find some numbers for attach-rates of movies as well, but it'll take a bit more leg-work on Google. Anyone up for the challenge? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4756 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
I thought it was accepted that the higher prevelance of 360's in the US was able to be attributed to its heavier advertising buzz. Thus, the concept of people buying it for Blu-Ray or as a second console might be true in America. Elsewhere, there's no indication at all thats that is a reality. And the importing thing wouldn't work in any way for the 360, due to it clutching to region coding, whereas Ps3 owners could buy games from worldwide, based on where they could get the better deal. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2234 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 |
Though I think part of these console wars, as this is the most blood thirstyest and vicious of any war i've ever participated it (hell, this is my first console war) is because it's so equal and close, everyone wants to come up on top. I predict in the end (either the first console to end in this generation or the whole generation) that it's going to be a very close call between which ever consoles are still in the race, but right now it's the 360 and PS3 competing for 2nd. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2179 Joined: 20 Dec 2007 |
God damnit this is exactly why I hate "Game Politics" - this inconsitency is ridiculous, sometimes the Wii is "destroying the competition" and the... wait a second I just re-read and are we talking about the amount of software sales or console sales? * So the Xbox 360 wins by a country mile, with owners buying an average of 7.5 games per console. It's not really that surprising though, as Xbox owners tend to be quite hardcore gamers rather than casual. Also, with the Xbox having been out the longest of the three home consoles, they have obviously had more time to build a collection. OMG XBOX IS HARDCORE! |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2179 Joined: 20 Dec 2007 | OH LAWD, THIS JUST IN! 360 IS DEAD, THE WII HAS OVERTAKEN THE 360, OMFG! Told ya it's inconsistent. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 667 Joined: 26 Mar 2008 |
I tell you what, I saw an ad for the Xbox 360 here and almost died! I see ads for the PS3 and Wii everywhere and hardly ever see a mention of the 360 despite the fact all my friends have one and I know a lot of other people who do to. That said the Wii has really won over the single mums as a cheap and effective baby-sitter and also convinced the seniors that they are still "with the times", so they are making money hand over fist. I don't know too many people with PS3s and those that have them are either after a good quality Blu-ray player (which it is) or got it free with their Sony Bravia LCD TV. EA can take a flying leap for all I care and I personally don't mind if the PS3 lives long and prospers, as long as good games keep coming out on the X360 I'm happy. After buying both a Sega Saturn and a Dreamcast on launch I've had my heart broken too many times. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4756 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
...Ok, am I the only one who has no idea what the fuck he's saying? |
PS3 Will Outsell 360: EA Report
Electronic Arts' sales estimates for hardware in 2008 has the Wii leading the way, but also posits a PS3 lead over the Xbox 360.
According to EA's calculations, the PS3 will move between 5 and 6 million units in Europe, compared to a paltry 1.5 to 2.5 million units for the 360. It also predicts a tie in North America with each console moving between 4.5 to 5.5 million units. The report puts the Nintendo Wii's number at a combined total of between 12 and 14 million units sold. Total home console sales, then, add up to between 31.4 and 38.4 million units, according to EA's analysis.
The company also expects the Nintendo DS to extend its dominance over the PSP by a 2-to-1 margin, or 14 and 16 million units sold compared to 6 to 8 million units sold.
Source: Gamesindustry.biz
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