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News Room Contributor Posts: 1264 Joined: 10 Apr 2007     | |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4633 Joined: 13 Feb 2008    | Sour grapes much? |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 673 Joined: 23 Jan 2008    | Hehee, those who are driven by that need are a bit daft. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 974 Joined: 25 Feb 2008    | "We go forward, not back" Funny, he says people stop playing the wii after a while. But my flatmates and I have been playing it since release to the exclusion of pretty much every other console. Might something to do with Lylat Wars, Timesplitters 2, Smash bros Melee and all the Metroid Prime's in one place... |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 515 Joined: 20 Sep 2007  | Boo hoo! My company can't make any games for the Wii. It suuuuucks! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1339 Joined: 29 Nov 2007    | Backwards for who? The best-selling online game of all time cracks in at 10 million (WoW), which is 'Act of God' class sales figures. Although awesome by video game standards, that's hardly as massive an appeal as movies or television. The Wii Fit is being demonstrated on freaking Oprah. New gamer, meet old gamer. The Wii chose a weaker processor and now numerous indie developers are able to keep making games for relatively cheap costs. A Wii game costs 2 million and 18 months to make (roughly). Other next-gen consoles come in at 25-50 million and three years to make (roughly). So when someone has a creative idea for a game, which system is it viable to take the risk for? Yeah, there is a lot of shovelware, but there's also a ton of really innovative stuff coming out. With a 50 millionish price tag on every Unreal 3 game coming out, no one is going to make a game unless it conforms to every generic standard that already exists so they know they'll make their money back. If anyone is moving the industry backwards and into the same old draconian crap they're always making, it's Epic. |
Beat Writer Posts: 163 Joined: 13 Dec 2007  | I don't know anyone who still plays the Wii, or even talks about it for that matter. The fact that the Wii is way behind the PS3 and XBOX 360 technically does single it out and make it the third (fourth if you include the PC) choice for those gamers who want to play the next Unreal game or games like Haze or Killzone 2. My friends and I liked the Wii when we first played around with it, but we were soon back on our 360s or PCs playing multiplayer on there rather than sitting around a very large TV and playing Wii Sports. Sure he's whinging about it being a money-machine but he's also making a point about it potentially turning the games industry around; but as the post above suggests, around which way? Personally, i'm of the Unreal 3 class of gamer. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 83 Joined: 29 Sep 2007    | Huh. You fill one hand with praise for the FACT that the Wii is pretty much selling like hotcakes, and the other with unneeded criticism for how you CHOOSE not to make games for it. Yeah, sure it doesn't allow you to make any money in Nintendo's share of the market, but don't feel sad. It's ok! Someone (see above) will always want another Unreal Engine to make the same damn games look better but not be anymore fun. Meanwhile, the only reason my own Wii doesn't see tons of use is because I'm too busy playing Smash Brothers with a ton of friends. It still gets played more than my PS2, or my brother's 360 and PS3. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 767 Joined: 1 Jan 2008  |
That's more like it. Nintendo needs to bring back it's Seal of Quality. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1339 Joined: 29 Nov 2007 |
There are plenty of indie games coming or already out on the Wii thanks to the cheap production costs that don't suck. Just because Xbox keeps most of their shovelware on the strictly "download" end of things doesn't make them any less susceptible to the problem. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 127 Joined: 29 Dec 2007 | I'm not a fan of the Wii, mostly as the result of bad experiences from playing with a friends Wii. But even so, Capps' comments seem unnecessarily bitter. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 767 Joined: 1 Jan 2008 |
Yeah but the difference is, xbox shovelware has shovelware pricetags.8 bucks at most. PS: Ninja Reflex.Wii price: $40 Steam price:$10 |
Paperboy Posts: 13 Joined: 28 Jan 2008 | this man needs to play mp3, then he'll shut up about what the wii doesn't do. in the end, he's just pissed that it doesn't run his engine, which means his company can't make games for the wii, which means his company can't sell games made on the wii, which means he can't make money off of the wii. person - profit = not happy. oh and every body, stop comparing wii shovelwhere to XBLA games. wii ware's comming so be patient. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1339 Joined: 29 Nov 2007 |
Wii Play = 39.99 controller plus ten dollars for included shovelware P.S.S. Why on Earth would you ever play Ninja Reflex on Steam? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1828 Joined: 14 Nov 2007 |
Or it could be the fact that there's not a huge amount of actually good games on the Wii. Metroid Prime, Mario, Zelda...? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1079 Joined: 8 Apr 2008    | He's got one good point though. I mean, this is the same company (Nintendo, I mean) that likes to release handhelds with serious flaws (GBA, DS), make us want to buy them, then rerelease it with all those serious flaws fixed (GBA-SP, DS Lite) about a year later. I love Nintendo, but their marketing schemes are anything but subtle. In general, though, he does just sound like a grumpy old man ranting about heavy metal music. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 124 Joined: 19 Mar 2008 | I have a Wii and nearly all the games I've played on it except for a very select few totally suck. I think what he means by holding the industry back is the fact that the cheaper lower technology of the Wii selling so well will make console manufacturers less inclined in the next generation to release a more expensive more tecnologically capable console thus holding back software advancement. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 457 Joined: 22 Apr 2008   | I don't really see how the Wii is holding the industry back. I think that a lot of Wii sales were not by your stereotypical gamer. With the Wii, i think, Nintendo tapped into a new group, while maintaining a lot of it's previous base. Like The_root_of_all_evil said: Sour grapes much? |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 90 Joined: 16 Apr 2008 | While anything I have to say may be dismissed for not actually owning a Wii, I don't think the Wii is pushing the industry back. Though it's still in a very gimicky state, the Wiimote brought motion sensitivity back into the mainstream; Sony, who initially called the motion sensitivity a stupid idea, jumped on the bandwagon with its six-axis controllers. Furthermore, Nintendo has said before in a press release that, with the Wii, they're holding themselves in a genre of their own as they try to introduce grandma to gaming and aren't even competeting with Microsoft or Sony. Even if Nintendo hadn't said that and Sony hadn't picked up on the motion sensitivity thing, complaining about Nintendo not pushing any envelopes isn't anything new. Nintendo 64 came kept using cartridges when Dreamcast and Playstation switched to CDs. Playstation 2 and Xbox could double as a DVD player and connect to the internet whereas the Gamecube just used minidiscs. Now the Wii comes out with yet another gimmick and it's suddenly a virus. So the Wii isn't that marvelous on the technological field - so what? Sales are up and independent programers/developers have a safer market to dabble in; maybe big studios should take that as a sign that flashy, high-powered graphics aren't all gamers want. (Slightly off topic) All that said, I still don't know if I'm ever going to buy a Wii. With some of my friends telling me its worthy every penny and Yahtzee (more or less) giving the thumbs up for games like Super Paper Mario and No More Heroes, I'm inclined to go buy one, but then I come across articles about buyers remorse and proverbial viruses and I begin to second guess previous inclinations. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 69 Joined: 21 Feb 2008 | Actually owning a wii and using it on a daily basis, I think I'm qualified to say that while it's probably not the best system for the stereotypical hardcore, foaming at the mouth, dies-if-he-hasn't-killed-something-in-the-last-four-seconds type of player, it's definitely better for me. |
Paperboy  Posts: 14 Joined: 14 Mar 2008 | My thoughts on the subject are: I don't think it leads the market backwards, sure some developers can make a game for less and have it sell well on the wii but the argument that developers will stop making other types of games (Higher budget blockbuster types) doesn't add up. Halo 3, CoD 4, GTA 4 Resident 5 etc. They made huge profits/people still eagerly anticipate their releases. I wouldn't believe you if you said that Generic party game X made more money than Halo 3. Perosnally, I bought my wii day of launch(UK) i played it alot simply because of the novelty of a new console. The novelty has worn off, but i do still find myself playing it; albeit not as much as my 360 but i've still greatly enjoyed my wii and i'm glad to have it. |
Paperboy Posts: 12 Joined: 14 Mar 2008 | Just goes to show that Mike Capps enjoys the taste of his own foot! Most of the people who have left comments here have proven that. Way to go Mike - don't get envious, get even, and think up something new and intuitive yourself... or go on making an ass of yourself. |
Muckraker  Posts: 233 Joined: 24 Nov 2007 |
There's a couple of great articles out there (there was one a week or so ago on gamasutra) about how nintendo is making it easier due to cheap production costs (you're right), but they lack a real system to filter out the great number of cheap indie games that will suck. It's a high risk maneuver ATM, but one that could pay off really well. Xbox is on the other end; higher costs, but less likely to get spammed with loads of low cost garbage. You should check the article out - at least from reading that, it seems like your first point is correct, but the second point may not be. |
Muckraker Posts: 233 Joined: 24 Nov 2007 | and on a slightly different note, the only thing that was bitter was the title of this piece. Maybe a touch misleading, as well. am I the only one who didn't find this bitter? I thought he was making a metaphor about game use on the Wii - everyone catches it, but it passes through relatively quickly. Game purchase data would agree with that. And per the industry comment,I just kind of nodded. If your job is to push graphic engines forward, what would your perception of the Wii be like? In context of the industry, (i.e., his profits are tied to games using increasingly greater graphics) it makes some sense. Besides, he said he moves forward, (not backwards) in the context of unreal's graphic engine being scaled down for the Wii. Then talks about the business case and groups who had scaled the engine back for the Wii. He never said that the Wii was moving the industry backwards, regardless of what the headline reads. |
Paperboy  Posts: 16 Joined: 23 Jan 2008 | Sour Grapes? more like Sour Wine. From my understanding they are licensing the UE3 to Ubisoft who apparently intend to use it (and cut about every corner to do so) to make Red Steel 2. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 6109 Joined: 30 Jan 2008  | Well, I guess I'm unique. I'm playing my Wii in tandem with my Ps3, going to each as i get a new game. I've still got a list of games I want for both, but both still give me enjoyment on my old games. Sour Whine, thats pretty good. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 217 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 | initially i thought i made a bad choice purchasing the Wii last year, but that was only due to the crap games out at the time. once you learn to read online reviews (ie metacritic.com) you start to pull the roses out of the shite-pile and then the Wii's purchase all becomes more than worthwhile. needless to say my 3year old daughter loves watching me play (she even collects starbits in SMG) and will use it herself no doubt as her IQ increases. she spent an hour making her own Mii the other day, with the wiimote she just had to point and click, try doing that on an xbox or ps3. the Wii is simply another option, an alternative if you like, to the next-gen PC, Xbox360, and PS3, it's not holding them back at all. so my take on Mike Crapps comments are - he's full of Mike Crapp. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2913 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 | Funny enough, if you think about it, the greatest pull-back in the industry (IMO of course) is the dev's obsession with graphics, which mean they spend less time on story, gameplay, or what-have-you. So, this sounds hypocritical to me. - A procrastinator |
Muckraker Posts: 233 Joined: 24 Nov 2007 |
He talks about them using the engine to make the original red steel in the article. |
Muckraker  Posts: 239 Joined: 12 Oct 2007 | Looking at that snippet, it seems that he really is just getting his panties in a wad over the fact that his precious little engine doesn't run on Wii. You know, because nothing is innovative or next gen without the Unreal 3 engine.
Holding back software advancement? Are you saying that software will just stop if we all go the way of the Wii? Games are totally going to suck in the future since we can't jam that last piece of bloom into the gamer's eyes. If graphics is your idea of software advancement, then I suggest a cutting edge PC. By the way, I actually feel that software as we know it is at a standstill anyway. Every game series on the planet seems to have a number after it. GTA 4, Halo 3, Final Fantasy 13, Metroid Prime 3, Guitar Hero 3, etc. We're so married to these games and genre's that nothing new seems to be coming down the pike. Hell, the most innovative console out there seems to be the PSP of all things in terms of software. |
Beat Writer Posts: 179 Joined: 10 Oct 2007 | That epic guy is making alot of crappy comments lately, I'm surprised people take him seriously anymore. The success of gears has gone to his head me thinks. |
Beat Writer Posts: 199 Joined: 11 Jul 2006 | I love the comments threads for these console war news posts. The sound of jerking knees is almost deafening. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 139 Joined: 9 Feb 2008 | i can relate to this got a wii on release date got a few games that lasted no time at all. -twilight princess was too short for a zelda game. so i left it for as the arguements says 2 months... nothing good came out do i chucked it. novelty of the controller was great....for a week. wireless internet picked it up fine but then it kept saying "no networks in range...what about the one i just told you to connect to???? read the first post like wow that is so true |
Paperboy Posts: 18 Joined: 17 Apr 2008 | Oh, people in here are so pretentious its hard to believe. He makes good points, regardless of his area of expertise. I can't help but think that had someone more respected said it, people would posting in mass agreement. While it has plenty of potential, the Wii hasn't lived up to it yet. While you all seem to be focusing on the mention of UE3, and Epic's usual sort of game, he makes a point in that a good number of people buy it on the 'gimmick' pretense. These people do buy it for two months and then not use it again. Ever had a telescope, or remote-controlled car, or hobbycraft of some sort? It may have been the best in it's field, and revolutionary, but if you stopped using it after two weeks, did it succeed? Couple this with Nintendo's focus on exceedingly cheap hardware - a good thing, don't get me wrong - it does feel at times they're trying to sell this Christmas' gadget; One of those plug-an-arcade-game-into-the-TV devices instead of a console. I hope the Wii pulls the finger out and starts turning things around, I really do. People mention that Mr Crapp has simply had success go to his head, but seeing the constant press and rising sales figures in only hardware, I worry that that Nintendo might see that as success. |
Wii is a Virus: Epic Boss
Epic boss Mike Capps slammed the Nintendo Wii as a "virus" that is moving the industry backward with its supposedly superficial appeal.
In an interview with IGN, Capps said he and his circle of friends found themselves buying the system after being impressed by seeing it in action, only to have it languish after a couple of months.
"It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, 'Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it.' So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on..." he said.
Capps praised Nintendo for its ability to turn a profit and reach a wide audience but said the company was not helping move the field forward tech-wise. "As an investor you love 'em, but as a next-gen console technology maker, they don't run UE3 and they can't. ... we go forward, not back."
Capps' company has a vested interest in "next-gen" technology, as the developer of the Unreal Engine, which runs on the PC, 360 and PS3.
His comments also come on the heels of a recent New York Times article titled, "New Wii finds a big (but stingy) audience," showing that Wii owners, as casual gamers, tend to buy less software for the system because they are not driven by a need to play the newest games.
Source: IGN.com
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