Sony Expects Most PS2 Users to Move onto PS3

Sony Computer Entertainment CEO Kaz Hirai takes the longer view on PS3 sales, saying he expects most PS2 users to make the switch.

Hirai said that his company "know[s] that most PS2 consumers will transition over to the PS3" and said it's "fantastic" if consumers keep using the PS2 because of its high profitability.

The PS2 has a massive install base of 130 million users.

He said that PS3 sales were not "an all or nothing proposition" because some people using the PS2 today - years after initial release - will buy a PS3 next year and can be expected to buy new software for their new console.

Source: Gamesindustry.biz

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Not in the U.S. - maybe next year is more likely but right now everyone is still Neck n' Neck and the PS3 is more expensive (only by about 50 bucks) than the 360 and right now with prices going so high, people don't care about how "Good" it is - they want "Good Enough but cheap" - and right now the 360 is at that 299-350 sweet spot. Don't know how much the Elite is though but with 130 million who own a PS2 which is cheaper than a Wii, I don't expect any of them to go get any of the new systems. I also think that a lot of people are getting a PS2 slim as their "first console" now too.

I hear in Australia these consoles are around 1,000 dollars. Ridiculous.

So is this a subtle way to say they won't be licensing PS2 games as of next year?

Lvl 64 Klutz:
So is this a subtle way to say they won't be licensing PS2 games as of next year?

No persona 5 I guess - hell I expect Persona 4 to be the PS2's "swan song" - it looks too good.

If the PS2 isn't dead now they shouldn't kill it though, just sounds like a bad idea.

Hmmm... Well, I for one am a PS2 owner that will definitely not be getting a PS3. It's too expensive, it doesn't have as many games as the other consoles, and developers haven't been capitalizing on the blu-ray format as much as they would need to to make the games way better than 360 and Wii games.

I just remembered, the PS2 was $300 on release wasn't it? Didn't people say that was expensive? I can't remember 'cause i have a horrid memory but $100 more isn't that much.

I wouldn't be too surprised if most PS2 owners switched, most of them would be loyal Sony fans i'm sure.

Jumplion:

I wouldn't be too surprised if most PS2 owners switched, most of them would be loyal Sony fans i'm sure.

Survey says.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.66668

shatnershaman:

Jumplion:

I wouldn't be too surprised if most PS2 owners switched, most of them would be loyal Sony fans i'm sure.

Survey says.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.66668

Hmmmm, nope can't think of anything witty to say back to that except that I don't think we have alot of Japanese Escapians here (best i could come up with)

Jumplion:

shatnershaman:

Jumplion:

I wouldn't be too surprised if most PS2 owners switched, most of them would be loyal Sony fans i'm sure.

Survey says.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.66668

Hmmmm, nope can't think of anything witty to say back to that except that I don't think we have alot of Japanese Escapians here (best i could come up with)

All I can say is... Microsoft hasn't been in the race for as long as everyone else, so OBVIOUSLY people are going to be switching from either Sony or Nintendo, unless it's just an all around new system for them...

Biaseeddddddd

That doesn't even make sense, unless you're implying that more people skipped the last generation of consoles, and are moving up from the N64, and original Playstation. Which would be retarded.

I'd say its a good bet that the majority of Ps2 users will transition to the Ps3. Even if the 360 steals 1 or 2 exclusives, the major stuff - Jak and Daxter, God of War, Metal Gear Solid - remain on the ps3.

Indigo_Dingo:
I'd say its a good bet that the majority of Ps2 users will transition to the Ps3. Even if the 360 steals 1 or 2 exclusives, the major stuff - Jak and Daxter, God of War, Metal Gear Solid - remain on the ps3.

Naughty Dog is still making Jak and Daxter? Shame, they have the habit of running a series into the ground (see Crash Bandicoot), and I'd rather they leave Jak to rest in peace then milk the series.

As for the actual claim, I'm not sure. I myself was a former PS2 owner who got a Xbox 360, but that was my choice. I can't speak for other (except the Japanese, who will definitely get a PS3).

It would be nice if they had some study or something. You know, to back up the claim, because there are quite a few people who are vocal about having migrated from Sony (PS2) to Microsoft (Xbox 360) this generation.

Actually, how many PS2 owners are still waiting to get a next-gen console? There can't be many, right?

I would move onto PS3 if I could afford the damn thing. Everytime I get over $200 i have to spend it on food or gas or some other shit I don't need. All I need are games.

I moved from the PS2 to the 360. It was the cheapest option I could find (£200 compared the the £350-£400 some places were demanding), most of my friends had one so it meant I could go online with them and it had some titles that I was particularly interested in.

If it weren't so damn expensive and if I actually knew one other person I speak tro on a regular basis who had one...then I might be persuaded to get PS3.

PS: To the guy who said the 360 stole some PS3 exclusives...need I mention the PS3 port of Condemned 2?Now...was Condemned 1 ever released on the PS3?...they're just as bad as each other.

stompy:

Indigo_Dingo:
I'd say its a good bet that the majority of Ps2 users will transition to the Ps3. Even if the 360 steals 1 or 2 exclusives, the major stuff - Jak and Daxter, God of War, Metal Gear Solid - remain on the ps3.

Naughty Dog is still making Jak and Daxter? Shame, they have the habit of running a series into the ground (see Crash Bandicoot), and I'd rather they leave Jak to rest in peace then milk the series.

As for the actual claim, I'm not sure. I myself was a former PS2 owner who got a Xbox 360, but that was my choice. I can't speak for other (except the Japanese, who will definitely get a PS3).

It would be nice if they had some study or something. You know, to back up the claim, because there are quite a few people who are vocal about having migrated from Sony (PS2) to Microsoft (Xbox 360) this generation.

Actually, how many PS2 owners are still waiting to get a next-gen console? There can't be many, right?

Fair few, actually. I know one guy who actually dropped out of console gaming altoghter.

Indigo_Dingo:
Fair few, actually. I know one guy who actually dropped out of console gaming altoghter.

Most PS2 owners have already migrated (I'm guessing they were waiting for MGS4, but yeh), so there isn't much of that market to tap into.

Frankly, after this generation, I'm going to upgrade and game on my PC. It's cheaper.

I was a big xbox person but I moved to ps3 and 360, I actually won a 360 for a raffle, but I got the ps3 like a week ago it is good great, perfect...

ElArabDeMagnifico:
I hear in Australia these consoles are around 1,000 dollars. Ridiculous.

On release they cost us just over $1000. The price of them now is cheaper... but only by a few hundred (if that).

Logan9993:

ElArabDeMagnifico:
I hear in Australia these consoles are around 1,000 dollars. Ridiculous.

On release they cost us just over $1000. The price of them now is cheaper... but only by a few hundred (if that).

$500. Start of year. Dick Smiths Powerhouse.

Edit: Alright fine. The actual price I payed was $650, and I got a Ps3, a second controller and a (good) game.

Five hundred dollars. The cheapest I've seen is a $1000 deal that comes with Resistance and a second controller. I suppose it depends on who you know.

And it's not suprising that people go from PS2 to PS3 but I doubt we can expect sales around the 100 million mark.

Fire Daemon:
Five hundred dollars. The cheapest I've seen is a $1000 deal that comes with Resistance and a second controller. I suppose it depends on who you know.

And it's not suprising that people go from PS2 to PS3 but I doubt we can expect sales around the 100 million mark.

Dude. Dick Smiths Powerhouse, that same deal was $650. They probably still have the same deal.

Not until that black monolith becomes reverse compatible. Again.

L.B. Jeffries:
Not until that black monolith becomes reverse compatible. Again.

Why would they need it to be reverse compatible when they already have a machine that will play the games?

Indigo_Dingo:

L.B. Jeffries:
Not until that black monolith becomes reverse compatible. Again.

Why would they need it to be reverse compatible when they already have a machine that will play the games?

Because people have only got space in their houses for so many machines.

I remember in about 2003~2004 time period, I woke up one day, looked at my PS2 w/ 19+ games and accessories... and said F it. I traded it all into Gamestop on a day when two deals overlapped and got $500+ store credit and left with a new Xbox, 9 games (all hit titles), Wireless network adapter, Xbox live, and DVD remote kit.

Never looked back. I got another PS2 to play Okami and a few others then sold it again. I'm going to way til they are around the $50 mark and get one for Persona 3 & 4 (if they don't get ported to the PSP, cmon PSP ports).

Not a fanboy,... I PC game, own a PSP, but for home consoles, the 360 is most obvious choice for the home gamer unless you are caught up on some of the Sony series,... but a 12 hour long God of War game and MGS4 (which could still come over,... *glances at FFXIII*) and several other games delayed over and over, plus the over compensation of first party shooters (Warhawk, Killzone, Resistance, MAG, and Socom)... Higher cost and shoving hardware that is un-needed just to bolster sales to their movie department... no thank you.

Sorry, Sony has lied quite a damn bit this gen and expected us to quote "Take a second job just to afford one" or criticized MS for their BC direction... which I would rather have limited now instead of chopping it away until it's gone.

Used to be huge Sony fan, PSone amazing RPGs, PS2 great variety, PSP awesome handheld...

F The PS3.

I'm gonna pull out those 3 words again.
Folding @ Home.

And what the hell is overcompensation of first party shooters? Are you saying they're too good?

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Indigo_Dingo:

L.B. Jeffries:
Not until that black monolith becomes reverse compatible. Again.

Why would they need it to be reverse compatible when they already have a machine that will play the games?

Because people have only got space in their houses for so many machines.

Its two machines, man. It won't exactly dominate a room.

Indigo_Dingo:
I'm gonna pull out those 3 words again.
Folding @ Home.

And what the hell is overcompensation of first party shooters? Are you saying they're too good?

I'm saying that they are trying overly hard to topple Gears and Halo. Resistance was fun, but it felt completely like Halo with a splash of Perfect Dark Weapons w/ 2nd functions. It was loads of fun (brown...), but now they revive Killzone, which I'm going there: Who really asked for more of that. More Socom which is eeeh, I really don't see how anyone enjoys that mess since it was great the first time, but re-released 3 times over again with no changes. MAG is going to be a logistics nightmare and Warhawk has gone over tepid at best. 5 series of Sony effort and they still have to square off against MS offerings and third party on their own console like Bad Company and Call of Duty 4,etc.

I guess PS3 owners haven't been inundated with shooters like ... everyone else. 2007 was the year of the FPS: Bioshock, Crysis, Halo 3, Call of Duty 4, Orange Box. I played every single one and all were fantastic. All 5 had great art direction, stylization, and most important besides the gameplay elements: Color! Resistance, Killzone, Socom, and MAG all seem to suffer from a bad case of next gen browns. Not saying that Gears doesn't, but over the top gore is a soft spot for me, what can I say.

I'll continue to sample PS3 offerings. Best looking game was Uncharted, but alas too short to get me to buy more gaming hardware. Here's hoping for White Knight Story (and that it, too, ditches it's case of the browns).

Indigo_Dingo:

Its two machines, man. It won't exactly dominate a room.

Not everyone has a myriad of space around their television sets and also lack inputs. Switches degrade quality. I know if I wanted a PS3, I Would have to swap out my Optical cable and DVI cable everytime I wanted to play if I were to purchase a PS3. Right now, it works great for me: Stupid awesome PC on DVI, 360 over VGA, PSP over component (could be PS2, if I chose).

So if I bought a PS3, I would have to switch cables all the time,... and if you don't think that's an issue, go research cable spaghetti. OR buy another receiver and/or television. No thanks.

I think the thought of PS2 owners switching to PS3 is correct, but the thing to be considered here is the timeframe in which they do. A friend of mine only recently bought his PS2 (cheap, small, lots of games, it is quite the catch these days), he will be picking up the PS3 the same way he did his PS2, when the thing has a lot going for it.

Sony is in for the long haul of course, so they won't mind people taking their time to buy themselves a PS3, just makes for a little less smack talk with Microsoft.

I'm still using my PS2 and ok, the graphics suck, the level design is often lazy and gameplay is... shall we say flawed? However, some of my favourite games are on the PS2 and the only reason I would go to PS3 is for titles like Killzone 2 (Killzone being my favourite FPS). Problem is that PS3 has very few big titles and the xBox is just being greedy so to be honest I don't think I want any of 'em, especially seeming as PS3 isn't backwards compatible if you buy it in the UK.

If I had to choose though, I would go PS3, even though at the moment its a bit sucky... Its just I can't help but be fanatically loyal to Sony.

Well i did a poll on this and from my results 44% of gamers have moved from ps2 to 360 including me.

Although I'm sure the PS3 will see renewed growth now that it's game line up is getting up to scratch I still can't see the millions of PS2 owners upgrading in droves. The gaming landscape has changed, sony no longer enjoys it's enormous market lead in this gen and you get the feeling they haven't quite got to grips with that. The PS3 will no doubt overtake the 360 (with the possible exception of US and UK) but with so many of their PS2 base already gone over to nintendo or MS it's difficult to see them repeating the phonomenal success of the PS2.

SeaCalMaste
no actually this yr ps3 has more games and exclusives than 360 or wii,so dont talk crap FANBOY.

PS3 IS NOT EXPENSIVE U PUSSIES,GET A JOB AN STOP ASKING YOUR MOMY FOR MONEY,BLUE-RAY COST $1000,PS3 80GB COST $400. whine all u want IS NOT EXPENSIVE WHAT HAPPENDS IS THAT YOUR ALL 360 FANBOYS THAT TALK CRAP.

Indigo_Dingo:
I'd say its a good bet that the majority of Ps2 users will transition to the Ps3. Even if the 360 steals 1 or 2 exclusives, the major stuff - Jak and Daxter, God of War, Metal Gear Solid - remain on the ps3.

I would say it's probably a better bet to say that most of them will transition to the wii.

See, the reason the Playstation sold so many units is because it wasn't just bought by people who played a lot of games, it was bought by everyone else as well, people who used it for stuff like Singstar, and Fifa, and bugger all else.

Those people are buying Wiis now, whether they really have an idea what to do with them or not, because they're the new must have brand.

PS3 IS NOT EXPENSIVE U PUSSIES

Compared to the competition, it is. That's all that matters. Capitalism, see?