it happened in WoW, and it's bound to happen again:

bad guys win on regular basis, 'cause good side is boring.

Here is a quote from a mate of mine and member of the WAR forums who's description covers for mine:

Although its unfortunate that this has happened (I'm sad as a KEP order player that our altdorf is the first to fall) but they didn't kill the king. All they did was do a few PQ's.

Everyone is blowing this out of proportion anyway, the fact is that in t4 Destro outnumber us because (for whatever reason) they levelled quicker. Barely any order players were defending (not for want of trying, but due to level requirements) so this was not a typical City siege (neither were the fortress fights). In a week I expect Destro to be very hard pushed to pull this off unless its at 3am, without much much more of a fight.

What we can do however, is send Mythic feedback that NPC's in keeps/fortresses/cities are not enough of a roadblock at the moment.
/end quote.

Back to me now. The greater Order guilds were not even helping with that and the destructo forces did not actually kill the king, they just went around killing NPC's. The system would of worked if there were more guards and not as many bugs that players could easily exploit.

Copter400:

Alone Disciple:
But....was the kitten saved?

Disciple, I think it's time you found out. There is no kitten. You killed it in your anger.

You have done that yourself!

And i hope its fixed by the time i get the game

archwiccan:
i actualy find that very funny, i knew that war would slowly fail, now watch and heed my word escapist, many more posts will follow this one about more aspects of the game will fail

Awww a WoW fanboy! So cute. *pats him on the head and feeds him a biscuit*

It'll get fixed and patched shortly I'm sure. This is nothing more than flamebait news so the WoWers can have something to whoop about.

It's a bit of a letdown to me that a respectable gaming site like The Escapist denounce a game and say that a central part of the game "sucks"... The game's been out a week and the guards weren't set up to react to attacking players properly, and the back door was bugged to open to anyone not just Order. A bug in a game a week after release is NOT a reason to say it sucks, don't be so sensationalist LOOLLOLOLOOLO WAR SUX when it's commonplace for flaws like this to arise just a few days after the release of games.

Take a long hard look at WoW, what most people consider to be the established MMO that is played most. First week? Hah. It didn't have battlegrounds or organised PvP, it had melee classes with talents to spec into Intellect, a caster stat (nowhere near the half of it), no blue or epic gear, and no real goals or aims at all. Not that it has any goals or aims now, since everything gets nerfed so that unskilled and casual 1-hour-a-day players can be wandering around clad in tiered PvE gear or a full arena set.

Major screwup, The Escapist. Saying a game sucks for having some easily fixed flaws that were't meant to be there is a pretty huge mistake when you're meant to know your stuff..

the_resident_:
It's a bit of a letdown to me that a respectable gaming site like The Escapist denounce a game and say that a central part of the game "sucks"... The game's been out a week and the guards weren't set up to react to attacking players properly, and the back door was bugged to open to anyone not just Order. A bug in a game a week after release is NOT a reason to say it sucks, don't be so sensationalist LOOLLOLOLOOLO WAR SUX when it's commonplace for flaws like this to arise just a few days after the release of games.

Take a long hard look at WoW, what most people consider to be the established MMO that is played most. First week? Hah. It didn't have battlegrounds or organised PvP, it had melee classes with talents to spec into Intellect, a caster stat (nowhere near the half of it), no blue or epic gear, and no real goals or aims at all. Not that it has any goals or aims now, since everything gets nerfed so that unskilled and casual 1-hour-a-day players can be wandering around clad in tiered PvE gear or a full arena set.

Major screwup, The Escapist. Saying a game sucks for having some easily fixed flaws that were't meant to be there is a pretty huge mistake when you're meant to know your stuff..

Read the damned thread, cos you're just repeating everything we've just said.
WoW had these problems: Check.
It's still in it's second week: Check.
Once they iron out the bugs and order catch up on levels it'll be fine: Check.

And don't diss WoW. Without it, WAR wouldn't even exist right now.

Funny how capital city raids take weeks of planning, acquisition of the best members, highly secured communication channels backed against a strong hierarchy and a whole lot of look to be successful in WoW. Whereas in WAR - a game specifically designed to show off such 'epic battles' - they take less than an hour to organise and pull off.

There's an update on this story. It turns out they didn't capture the city, just put it into a 'contention' stage but weren't powerful/numerous/prepared/whatever enough to see the contention through to full city capture.

http://tobolds.blogspot.com/2008/10/emperor-karl-franz-lives.html

Melaisis:
Funny how capital city raids take weeks of planning, acquisition of the best members, highly secured communication channels backed against a strong hierarchy and a whole lot of look to be successful in WoW. Whereas in WAR - a game specifically designed to show off such 'epic battles' - they take less than an hour to organise and pull off.

I love how Wow fanboys are so threatened by WAR that they have to jump on their soapbox every time something about WAR is mentioned.

Unusual_Bulge:
There's an update on this story. It turns out they didn't capture the city, just put it into a 'contention' stage but weren't powerful/numerous/prepared/whatever enough to see the contention through to full city capture.

http://tobolds.blogspot.com/2008/10/emperor-karl-franz-lives.html

A lack of facts?
In MY flamebait thread?
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I'm surprised something like this even registered as a headline on the Escapist without some sort of more indepth check as to what happened. Lock/Bury/etc.

Melaisis:
Funny how capital city raids take weeks of planning, acquisition of the best members, highly secured communication channels backed against a strong hierarchy and a whole lot of look to be successful in WoW. Whereas in WAR - a game specifically designed to show off such 'epic battles' - they take less than an hour to organise and pull off.

Now that's not even true at all. Some of the city raids I've been in were just a motley crew of some of the raiding guilds who were bored one night and decided to go try and kill <City Leader of choice here> "Highly secured channels"? "Weeks of planning"? I'm sorry, you should have dropped your bullshit talk at the login screen, because that's what you're spouting.

I love how Wow fanboys are so threatened by WAR that they have to jump on their soapbox every time something about WAR is mentioned.

And to be fair, you're jumping up in WAR's defence everytime anyone says something against it, making you look like a WAR fanboy just as bad as them.

TOGSolid:

Melaisis:
Funny how capital city raids take weeks of planning, acquisition of the best members, highly secured communication channels backed against a strong hierarchy and a whole lot of look to be successful in WoW. Whereas in WAR - a game specifically designed to show off such 'epic battles' - they take less than an hour to organise and pull off.

I love how Wow fanboys are so threatened by WAR that they have to jump on their soapbox every time something about WAR is mentioned.

We'd stop, but our own forums have been filled with 'WAR will kill WoW!' for so long, despite everyone knowing that they're two completely different games with different audiences. I was merely citing the irony that - despite the PVP forever being stuck in second gear - WoW pulls off an experience better when it comes to capital raids than WAR does.

Melaisis:
We'd stop, but our own forums have been filled with 'WAR will kill WoW!' for so long, despite everyone knowing that they're two completely different games with different audiences.

I think "highly similar games with different elements emphasized" is more accurate than "completely different."

-- Alex

Alex_P:

Melaisis:
We'd stop, but our own forums have been filled with 'WAR will kill WoW!' for so long, despite everyone knowing that they're two completely different games with different audiences.

I think "highly similar games with different elements emphasized" is more accurate than "completely different."

-- Alex

QFT. I see WAR more as WoW MkII more than anything else. It is essentially a better game, but until they work out the kinks, I'm sticking with WoW.

I may be wandering a little off topic with this, but this reminds me of what I was told about one of the online Warhammer 40K campaigns, when the Chaos forces started racking up huge numbers of planets conquered by simply all deciding "On this day, we take all of our victories on (wherever)" and outstripping the scattered Order side victories. (I forget the exact details of the campaign rules, alas)

Seems odd - why is it that the most organised and dedicated players seem to end up playing for Chaos? Still, I suppose WAR could well have a possible method of sorting itself out, if it allowed for a quick civil war between members of a side getting too powerful - even works for if Order overtook, I suppose, as any Warhammer player knows that an alliance between Dwarves and Elves is never going to last.

QuadrAlien:
Seems odd - why is it that the most organised and dedicated players seem to end up playing for Chaos? Still, I suppose WAR could well have a possible method of sorting itself out, if it allowed for a quick civil war between members of a side getting too powerful - even works for if Order overtook, I suppose, as any Warhammer player knows that an alliance between Dwarves and Elves is never going to last.

That's because all the kiddies play Order, cos they want to be the "Good guys". Meanwhile, all the adults play as Disorder because they know there are no good guys. Of course, this means that civil wars would work. All the adults are thinking "Yeah! Anarchy! Woo!", and the kids will get a happy over killing their best mates.

All the tweenagers are thinking "Yeah! Anarchy! Woo!"

Fixed that for you. I've yet to meet an adult who can pay for an MMO regularly who honestly think that Anarchy is a good idea.

To be honest, although I don't actually have the game, this is just a minor bug. In my opinion the game looks fantastic and to what I've heard from friends plays excellently. As everyone else here has said, this problem will be fixed very quickly and effectively.

I would get the game but there is no way I am ever going to pay subscription for any game, hell, I haven't even tried the WoW free trial cos it's pointless, I'm still not gonna get the game.

WAR does look amazing though :)

archwiccan:
i actualy find that very funny, i knew that war would slowly fail, now watch and heed my word escapist, many more posts will follow this one about more aspects of the game will fail

Oh yes heed these words. This man loves watching games fails. A real hero he is.

Amnestic:

And to be fair, you're jumping up in WAR's defence everytime anyone says something against it, making you look like a WAR fanboy just as bad as them.

The funny bit is that I haven't even been able to play it yet since open beta. Being at sea sucks sometimes. :(
If I was a real fanboy though, I'd be attempting to trash WoW whenever possible, which I don't. I have no ire towards it, it's just not my kind of game.

Melaisis:

We'd stop, but our own forums have been filled with 'WAR will kill WoW!' for so long, despite everyone knowing that they're two completely different games with different audiences. I was merely citing the irony that - despite the PVP forever being stuck in second gear - WoW pulls off an experience better when it comes to capital raids than WAR does.

And PVP oriented games like this rarely ever start out working perfectly normal. Players are sneaky assholes and will explore every avenue for breaking a game's mechanics.

The funny bit is that I haven't even been able to play it yet since open beta. Being at sea sucks sometimes. :(
If I was a real fanboy though, I'd be attempting to trash WoW whenever possible, which I don't. I have no ire towards it, it's just not my kind of game.

Smash Bros. Brawl has taught us you don't need to play a game to be a fanboy. Like it or not, that's what you're coming across as. It kinda invalidates your points about others being a fanboy if you yourself display fanboy tendencies.

Except you once again seem to me completely dismissing the fact that I'm neither singing WAR's praises nor trashing on WoW. All I'm saying is that it gets pretty annoying trying to read a thread about something and watch it get bombed by fanboys from the other camp because they just can't help but come in and start flaming it.
It's like trying to discuss the PS3 and the XBOX fanboys coming in and completely wrecking it or vice versa. The religious ferver that one camp builds up around their chosen product is pretty sad really.

Hypocrisy much on behalf of the WAR fans? How about we count all the times somebody said "told ya it wouldn't work but we kept your spot open over here" whenever war fucks up badly and then count all the times that people deliberatly brought up wow simply so they can advertise war, the events of "yeah but war will do it better" everytime wow is brought up regardless of context and the huge ammounts of spam all over the place why your game will be better even though it isn't relevant.