How would Bowser jr. not be a clone? If anything that would be the stupidest character to clone, as low speed and high power are pretty much the point of Bowser.

BRAWL doesn't belong in brawl!

Wolf and Falco should actually stay. They play so differently that calling them clones is horrible and you should feel ashamed if you do so. Their aerial and ground A attacks are quite different now, as are their B-attacks.

Stop complaining about final smashes, they're horribly unbalanced and you shouldn't play with them on anyways.

/tourneyfag/

I don't think that any characters need to be removed as such but some could be made a lot different, specifically the Fox, Falco, Wolf trio. Having the same final smash for all three was just lazy as there could easily have been differences.

What really got me though was some of the unnecessary nerfs that characters got, Gannondorf in particular stands out here, I know he's basically a Capt. Falcon clone but he handled so differently its pretty forgivable. But to reduce his power as it has been just makes him worthless, his power was the only thing that made up for him moving and handling like a beached whale, without that he's almost pointless now.

Darkong:
But to reduce his power as it has been just makes him worthless, his power was the only thing that made up for him moving and handling like a beached whale, without that he's almost pointless now.

It's not that bad. You can kill Bowser at 80% on FD if you sweetspot the Fair. He still rocks some serious socks. I actually think some of his smash attacks are more powerful now, mainly the up smash. I think it's hilarious how they nerfed his utilt though.

Seriously...WTH?

They should have given Falco a final smash involving his arwing. If anyone recalls, at the end of Aquas in Starfox 64- "I'll take the sky anyday."

Wolf and ROB

Wolf - because we don't need another fox clone. ok,ok so one of them is faster, other shoots differently, and they may be different mechanically but the concept of the move set is the same. We already have Fox/Falco and that should do.

ROB - simply because I see him as too minor of a character.

What about Pit? He came two decades ago, was only in two games that didn't sell very well, stand up by today's standards, or spawn a franchise.

Ice climber's need to go. Simplistic game, frustrating characters.

R.O.B is a marketing gimmick not a character. Since he's made out of plastic, he doesn't even look or move interestingly either.

Lucas wasn't even released in America or Europe.

I think the whole point of Snake is that he is really out of place. That's what makes him funny.

Pseudonym2:
Lucas wasn't even released in America or Europe.

Tell that to my Nintendo Freak friend. He knows practically every nintendo game that's been released in Japan, even if was only in Japan!

He even yelled at me when Lucas was revealed in the SmashDojo when he said "OMFG Lucas is in Bwrawl!"
then i said "Who's Lucas?"
then he was like totaly "OFMG You don't know who Lucas is? From Mother/Earthbound?!?! It was a total hit in Japan!"
"How the hell am I supposed to know that?"
"Go to hell!"

Swenglish:
Sonic. Everything related to SEGA these days feels cheap and B-rated, and that doesn't belong in a Smash Bros. title. I don't care if Nintendo is being nice to SEGA, letting them produce their crap to the Wii, can't they just let one game be pure Nintendo? Sure, Snake is in it, but you can't say anything bad about him. Besides, the first Metal Gear was released on the NES, so Snake has more Nintendo in him compared to Sonic.

I smell some bias hatred here? So what if SEGA have sold out a little too much over the past few years, it doesn't change the fact that Sonic was and still is regfarded as a world-wide gaming icon, i think he belongs in there as much as any other character!
Plus there are plenty 'pure-nintendo' games on the Wii, just for your aryan desires;
i.e Mario-Kart, Mario Galaxy, Mario party etc.

here's my list

metaknight: he's just a kirby clone, seriesly he looks exactly like him under the mask
sonic: he really doesn't add anything to the game, he's just blue and stupid plus he's a sega character wtf?
zerosuit samus: all she is is pure sex-appeal nothing more nothing less
luigi: honestly, he's been a mario clone from the start and he needs to go especially since they want to make him gay now
mr. staurn: yea i know he's not really a character, but GOD DAMN he's a worthless item, what game is he even supposed to from?

well that's just my 2 cents

JimDandy:

metaknight: he's just a kirby clone, seriesly he looks exactly like him under the mask
zerosuit samus: all she is is pure sex-appeal nothing more nothing less
luigi: honestly, he's been a mario clone from the start and he needs to go especially since they want to make him gay now
mr. staurn: yea i know he's not really a character, but GOD DAMN he's a worthless item, what game is he even supposed to from?

How on earth is Metaknight a Kirby clone? The only thing remotely similar about them is that they can both fly. Looking kind of like someone else does not make them a clone.

I'd kind of agree with ZS Samus. While she is basically just there for fanservice, she does handle differently enough that I'm willing to overlook it.

Luigi really isn't much of a Mario clone. While some of their B moves are similar, they still handle pretty differently, and have a lot of unique abilities.

Oh, and Mr. Saturn is from the EarthBound series, which you could have figured out by looking at his trophy.

sirdanrhodes:
BRAWL doesn't belong in brawl!

that must have taken you what? a week to come up with that?

yup metaknight is a kirby clone!! didnt you know?! i mean he can glide, has all sword based moves and fast moves, and has no hammer or enemy swallowing abilities... JUST LIKE KIRBY!!

Personally, I think it's good that a character like Pit got in, because Kid Icarus got far too little recognition. Granted, it wasn't a masterpiece, but it didn't suck, and with today's gaming releases, that's got to count for something.

I'm surprised I didn't see more posts about Golden Sun. R.O.B., Lucario, and/or Toon Link (take your pick) should definitely have been out in favor of Isaac actually being a playable character, rather than an assist trophy, which is a dubious honor. And crucify me if you will, but they should have brought Mewtwo back.

Let's be brutally honest...those of us who cared were expecting Ganondorf to bring his sword to the party this time. Instead, he received a huge nerf which was largely undeserved. Better that he be taken out of the game with the way he plays now.

I think Falco should have gone, and been replaced with a Wolf with a truly different move set. The only holdover should have been the blaster, and exactly like they have it now in brawl. Instead, they made him a less awesome fox clone with a stupid version of the landmaster (totally should have done a flyby with Wolfen similar to Dragoon Parts).

Gannondorf should have had his sword (he's supposed to be a master swordsman, not just a guy with purple attacks), with his A-smash attacks as purple energy instead.

Jiggalypuff stays for the easy punching bag status. Pikachu can stay because it's an original, and I can respect that. Lucario? There is NO reason to have him. He is a pathetic attempt to pretend they didn't take out Mewtwo (who totally should have been an assist with Phywave), who shouldn't have been in melee anyway. Pokemon Trainer, I have mixed feelings about. On the one hand, he is three people in one, and all three are your basic Donkey Kong style characters (easy to use spam attacks). On the other hand, they have some pretty tactical advantages. Up in the air on that vote.

Toon Link is another attempt to revive the errant mistake that was Young Link. Again, if they give him a move set and weapons, I could forgive it. He even has the SAME freaking Final Smash. If they made these characters unique, I would have no complaints.

In these popular targets defense (despite the fact that I agree with most points) I'll just say this:

1.) Wolf: He's slower and he hurts more, but yes, the Fox Trio, although their "minor" move set is different, their special and FS moves could use some major changes, but they aren't THAT similiar...ok yeah they are but go easy on wolf, he isn't as much of a clone as Falco is.

2.) Jigglypuff: Seriously, why does everyone hate Jigglypuff? Everyone just wants to embrace the genocide of jiggly's or something, I see nothing wrong with this character other than the fact that the voice is annoying.

3.) R.O.B.: I agree he does kind of a suck, but I'm surprised that they made that piece of plastic even have a set of moves in the first place.

4.) Olimar: Are you guys afraid of change or just don't like it when something different is applied in a game? Damn, he's a really good character, what is everyone's beef with him? That you can't randomly smash [random direction + A or B, and for the Cube controller users, maybe some C stick Taps] and win instantly?

5.) PKMN Trainer: Yeah, there is a poke-overload in this, but come on, it's a clever idea, and each of those pokes can clearly hold their own.

6.) Ice Climbers: The dynamic duo, protect and be protected, if you look out for your buddy, they will look out for you, but most people fail at this because they want to be able to run around smashing A and B - only to realize that the pink climber died because you were too much of a dick and only cared about yourself. Also, stop hating them because you don't know what game they are from, damn, people are just too prejudice with this shit, open your fucking minds a little - this isn't a popularity contest.

7.) Toon Link: OK Hard to argue this one, but I have noticed that to compensate for his size, his sword does more damage (hence it's glowing) - also, it's cool having those cell shading effects in game.

8.) Lucas: He's more Psychic and Less Physical, and his only "clones" are his specials and a few other moves.

I think all the characters belong. Sure I hate some of them, but they belong none the less.

Ike why the hell did he take Roy's place now me and my friends have no fun because of Ike's shittyness to Roys exploding sword

War Monger of Yabucua:
My list of Those Asshat Characters that don't belong in Brawl
1) Snake: Whats the point of having a stealth based charcter who can't use firearms, knife people, or knock them out with CQC and give him gay explosive and a jump attack that great for not falling of, but sucks for attacking?

2) Marth: Dont know who he was (until I looked him up on wikipedia and found out he was from fire emblem which like Yahtzee would say about online play, I dont give a shit about) and his attacks are to slow and he looks like a fuckin girl.

3) Olimar: Attacks suck.

I actually felt the same way about Snake for a while, but then I got past the whole "Must fit in perfectly with the game he's from" thing and started playing him. He's actually a lot of fun if you're not completely preoccupied with the fact that he's not slitting throats. Also, many, many characters have recovery moves that aren't for attacking.

I'll ignore the slight on Fire Emblem, because I actually agree with your assessment of Marth's play style now. They nerfed the things that were good about him, and buffed the things that were bad about him, so now he's just average, like Mario with a sword.

Olimar's attacks are actually some of the strongest in the game. He's just a lot harder to use since he doesn't attack anything without Pikmin. While a little off-putting, that makes him different, which is precisely what Brawl needs.

I personally wish the Smash Bros series would finally lay down and die. Someone earlier, commenting on sonic, said anything from Sega felt cheep and B-Rated, which doesn't belong in smash bros, but honestly Smash Bros in and of itself feels cheep and B-Rated. The fighting system feels hacked together, and is just taped up a bit on each iteration. The graphics are great, but it takes more than that for a game. Plus any game where, at default, I can do 300% damage to someone and they not be dead has issues in my opinion anyhow. Smash Bros feels like the original was a quick title to make some money between major releases that somehow got popular on its own, and they have been scrambling to recover the system and manage a reasonable fighting game out of it, but have yet to reach that point.

War Monger of Yabucua:
My list of Those Asshat Characters that don't belong in Brawl
1) Snake: Whats the point of having a stealth based charcter who can't use firearms, knife people, or knock them out with CQC and give him gay explosive and a jump attack that great for not falling of, but sucks for attacking?

OK Even though you posted this like, 8 times or something, and yet I still have a hard time understanding what you are talking about on a few points, (btw, he CAN knock them out with CQC, you have to grab them) you do realize that it would be extremely hard to fit in snake any other way because of the rating system, right?

War Monger of Yabucua:
Yeah, but I want to play Snake at what he's good at, and not in some cheap spin-off/mash up of popular games primarily from the Nintendo Universe. I want to knife, strategize, and rpg-ize!

Then go and buy Snake Eater, realize how cool he is, and fantasize about him in Smash Bros like the rest of us.

Get rud of ROB!

Snake.

Instead they could had taken Megaman.

Zeithri:
Snake.

Instead they could had taken Megaman.

Did the creator of Megaman beg to have him put in?

Obviously Marth! Only about 2 people (one of them is me) have ever even played the game he was in!!!!!!