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Beat Writer  Posts: 190 Joined: 9 Dec 2007     | |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2449 Joined: 18 Dec 2007     | Why did you make two of these in seperate topics? When halo 2 came out I saw a story on 60 minutes dedicated to halo 2. They interviewed some guys from bungie and then interviewed some guys who planned on having the day off to play. They then talked to tiger woods about his game and asked people if they would rather play as Tiger Woods of Beat Tiger Woods. I have also seen TV shows that feature games in them. The most notaple would be the South park episode "Make love not Warcraft". In this episode they used footage from WoW and while made fun of the users it did bring WoW into the view of the public. In my opinion media is not "pooing" on games but is making games more popular. Unless your talking about FOX news. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 172 Joined: 26 Feb 2008   | It's just what the Goverment('s) does to get there kicks. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2366 Joined: 20 Dec 2007  | The Escapist has an article about "bias towards video games" it's really really good, sadly, Yahtzee overshadows EVERYTHING on this site. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4933 Joined: 30 Jan 2008  | Its because aming as an art form is relatively new, and previous generations have been biased against change. Thats why in the 60's our parents were clean cut and conservative, and stuck to their positions in society. Oh wait... |
Beat Writer Posts: 137 Joined: 28 Feb 2008 | yeah media does poo all over gaming, its just what they do. but in all fairness i hear toys being yelled at cause they might have led baised paint in them. the order of media juicyness gaming=celebrities>1missing person>factory recall>real news |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2600 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 |
Quite well put Dingo. - A procrastinator |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2449 Joined: 18 Dec 2007 |
Are you talking about those toys..you know with lead paint...that you know killed people. And you are saying that the media going crazy over this is a bad thing? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1130 Joined: 12 Oct 2007   | For the same reason people make threads on this board that basically lament the lack of political correctness with respect to people's opinions about various games or the state of gaming itself; for the same reason people on the internet cannot form coherent arguments and when confronted can't function....They are hopeless. |
Beat Writer Posts: 137 Joined: 28 Feb 2008 | i was just adding a joke in my thing....but yeah the media does tend to play anything it can out of proportion to get some ratings. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 691 Joined: 7 Nov 2007    | It's because they just want all childeren to grow up boring and nice, so they leave us with things like... erm... tetris. Games don't cause violence, CONTRAVERSY DOES :) |
Muckraker  Posts: 236 Joined: 23 Apr 2008 |
Indeed, the only thing that never changes is people's reactions to new technology/media. Some doctors said travelling over 30 mphs on the first trains would cause madness based on...well, no evidence at all, really. But we're doctors damnit, listen to us! We are obviously better than you and by extension are perfect and right! (adds in reference to the quote once again) Although I think if they were better parents in the first place they'd have much less to worry about.
I love this one |
Reviewer  Posts: 168 Joined: 4 Oct 2007  | Because gamers use words like poo when trying to start a serious topic. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 104 Joined: 21 Dec 2007  | In the UK most of the bad gaming press comes from hate-papers such as the Daily Mail (formerly the official newspaper of the British Union of Fascists) or The Sun (Rupert Murdoch's manipulator-in-chief in the UK, favored by the large percentage of our population that are brain dead). Both of these sources are reactionary and sensationalist. They print falsehoods and lies week after week, misleading people intentionally, prodding them towards a particular point of view and then issuing corrections for their 'mistakes' in a later publication, which of course, nobody reads. Case in point: The Bridgend Suicides. Nobody really knows what has lead 16 teenagers in the same small Welsh town (near Cardiff) to commit suicide. Maybe Bridgend is a really f*ckin depressing place to be. Many things were blamed, initially drugs (standard rag-paper response), computer gaming (after it turned out that one of the suicides *shock, horror* 'played video games') and underage drinking (well, who doesnt?). Until eventually it turned out that one or two (notice: NOT ALL) of the suicide 'victims' knew each other on social networking websites. Following the standard newspaper tactic of 'blame it on the newest thing' social networking sites came under mass media attack for 'encouraging suicide', 'romanticising suicide' and making possible the 'suicide network of Bridgend'. I'm not sure what websites they could mean by all this...Facebook doesn't have a 'group' you can join called 'suicide club' ffs. I know, because I tried very hard to find it. Ultimately the (deeply conservative)media in the UK (and whatever other parts of the world this may apply to) likes to tell us that everything we do is wrong, except for the following: Watching TV, Drinking, voting for whichever political party currently favoured by Murdoch, becoming a 'hero' in the Armed Forces, having children or 'being famous'(for being a twat on that moron-magnet 'Big Brother'). You may notice that these are things that any idiot/moron/jackass with a functioning arm and sexual organ could achieve. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 147 Joined: 16 Mar 2008 | Unfortunately, you have to realise how dangerous this is. In this new age of instant information, sensationalism can travel fast. They're trying to make video game legislation. Did they ever try to make Rock and Roll legislation? |
Copy Clerk Posts: 60 Joined: 9 Mar 2008 | simple: It's new and most of the guys running the media are too old or just too serious to be gaming. Therefore, they have no understanding for it in the least. Also, it's better to tell parents that the games their kids play are to blame for the kids' failures than saying that the parents just didn't do their job properly. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 222 Joined: 6 Dec 2007 | The reasons are a bit complex, as they sort of tie into why the media might sensationalize violence in general, or write about a controversial movie in a negative way, or talk about literature that isn't appropriate for children. I do think that for the most part, it's because news media tends to put the sensationalized stories front and center. What do you think is going to lead the newscast or the paper - the story about how a study shows that video games actually help children learn valuable skills at an early age or the story of the unstable, socially awkward teenager who takes Grand Theft Auto a bit too seriously and attempts a carjacking? The problem is that the street goes both ways - viewers and readers prefer having the "car crash gawker" mentality to their news at times. This is why sites like TMZ continue to exist even though the actual news they report is very shallow. While I agree the Internet is a double-edged sword, it is also helping to reverse the trend a little. Just about anyone can put up content and the better sites out there report on all the news instead of just the news that happens to be most interesting to the target demographic. The rise of blogs, online magazines like the Escapist, and shared opinions shows that people are more interested in information from all viewpoints rather than just what the media tells them about. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 101 Joined: 14 Apr 2008 | The media poos/craps/shits/generates feces/excretes over gaming because the media shows things from one point of view. Just because one child can get addicted to games and grow overweight; every gamer is obese. Just because two doom fans can go on a rampage; every gamer is 'doomed' to be a killer. Just because one 16 year old can play World of Warcraft for 16 hours straight; every player is a hopeless addict. God help us if somebody jumps in and out of five cars, travelling down a busy street with helicopters and the FBI in hot pursuit. God help us all. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 173 Joined: 22 Feb 2008  | The media defecates over EVERYTHING! IT'S THE FUCKING MEDIA!!!! |
Copy Clerk Posts: 101 Joined: 14 Apr 2008 | Defecated! There's the word I was looking for! Also: Is the Escapist not, technically, a form of the media? Gaming magazines certainly don't........ deposit waste upon gaming. |
Beat Writer Posts: 173 Joined: 22 Feb 2008 | Don't be fooled, all media to some extent is a.... bowel movement waiting to happen! With the birth of the creator, came the after birth of the critic... |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2449 Joined: 18 Dec 2007 |
It is! You have all gotten News media and Media mixed up. At the moment I'm listening to Anarachy in the UK by The Sex Pistols. This is a form of media and I am pretty sure its not "pooing" all over gamming. I'm also typing this up on the Escapist and even though we do have some hateful users I'm pretty sure "poo" is not being placed on videogames. I'm also pretty sure that the movie playing in the Background is not "pooing" on gamming. Do you want me to list everything that does not "poo" on gamming to back my point. I see nothing wrong with complaining about unfair reports made by the News Media but for crying out loud Escapist users open your eyes and see that media does not hate videogames! |
Copy Clerk Posts: 101 Joined: 14 Apr 2008 |
Ok, this is the only place I know where I can find fans of that movie. Everybody I know just looks at me funny!!! "Whaddya mean, 15 commandments?" Sigh.... But yes, most of the media is an impending... trip to the toilet, but the Escapist has so far proved to be an exception. Oh and: If there are so many journalists writing for gaming magazines, surely someday there will be news stories on TV promoting video games? |
Beat Writer Posts: 173 Joined: 22 Feb 2008 |
C'mon Daemon, you know perfectly well what was meant by 'media', a fucking piece of paper is 'media' if you want to be pedantic, I think everyone in the thread so far has 'sufficient retinal dilation' as to know the context of the post. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 101 Joined: 14 Apr 2008 | Yes, Fang's perfectly right. That was 10 points for technicalities but minus 100 for common sense, although a song about condemning video games would be interesting to hear.... Walkin' down the street, all I e-ver-see, All your base are belong-to-me, The genres of games are just dumb-to-me, Have you ever heard the news that's on-T-V, So let's all say no to the P-S-3, Just stick to rea-li-ty! Just stick... to rea..... li.... tyyyyyyy..... ... Wow. I really need a life. |
Muckraker  Posts: 238 Joined: 26 Mar 2008 |
I'm pretty certain that's it right there. whenever I catch the train between my university and my parents' house, there comes a moment at some point during the trip where the train spends three minutes on the platform at Bridgend, and even aboard a train, in that short time interval, the urge to top myself is nigh-overwhelming. Which is why I prefer to drive. God knows how people actually succeed in living there. Oh, wait, they don't. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 706 Joined: 1 Jan 2008 | Well I suppose this is gonna stop as soon as people who grew up on video games will get to power.Somewhere around 2030, I presume. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2600 Joined: 21 Jan 2008 |
Really, that late? My first major console would most likely be the PS2, which I got when I was 8-9. Meaning, that in 2030, I'd 37. I reckon you could make an impression on politics around the 30 mark (just speculation. If anyone's got cold hard evidence, then, tell us). So, my guess is 2020. But, maybe you are think of the generation following mine, perhaps? - A procrastinator |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 6392 Joined: 28 Nov 2007    |
Let's see....NES came out in '85, right? Assuming that there were future politicians aged 4-5 playing that, then they should start getting into power in 2015 or so. Edit: Actually, assuming age 30 for a nice even number, 2011. So in about 3 years on the outside. |
Muckraker  Posts: 237 Joined: 22 Jan 2008 | it will end when a new form of entertainment comes out, this happened to movies before games and books before movies, once they invent VR helmets with interactive porn we'll probably never hear another word about video games on the news. but gamers are at fault somewhat here too, places like G4 and fox news are never held accountable when they defame gaming, hell has EA followed up at all over the mass effect thing? i mean come on a sternly worded letter accomplishes what in this day and age? the fact that gamers as a group have A)no lobby in congress and B) no united front means that when people push us, odd end outrage and sporatic discourse is the result. you realize gamers are the most unconnected techno-geeks this world has ever seen. we need something akin to a gamers union where we can organize and affect the world with our choices i mean the gameing industry makes more money each year than the movie industry as of a few years ago, we're a bigger economic group than blockbuster for christs' sake. look at it this way, gamers from around the world bombed that chicks book on amazon and other sites, imagine if the same amount of people spent the same amount of time going after fox news themselves for putting such an "expert" on their show, i am willing to bet with that kind of power we may have gotten an apology, hell with the insane amount of spam bombing knowledge we collectivley possess we could probably crash the fox website even. thats what gamers need, we need our very own nick nailor to go to congress and ruin people's shit in our favor. |
Paperboy Posts: 31 Joined: 30 Mar 2008 | The only way to overcome this is to join together and make our voices heard. We should start a major coalitions of sorts. All we need is one incredibly rich member to get us proper advertising. If we could get an ad on GameFAQS, we would immediately have hundreds of thousands of members. So: anyone here incredibly rich? |
Copy Clerk Posts: 72 Joined: 9 Apr 2008 | Looking back, this is longer then I intended, and rambles a bit, Ill try to clean it up as much as I can. There seems to be 2 qualities that go into makeing a really sensational controversy. They appear potentially threatening in a somewhat believable way, and being widely unknown to the public. Remember the Killer Bee scare? It was scary, and no one knew much about them. It became a big thing. People were ignorent of how computers worked, and Y2K gained a bunch of press. Dungeons and Dragons have some of the funniest ignorent watch groups percieving a threat. We don't know all that much about terrorists by and large, so thats scary too. Along comes Video Games. Talk to the average parent, and there ignorence on computer games can be downright comical. Its easier to be afraid then to understand. So video games become a scary unknown, ripe for controversy. The idea of video games being dangerous is somewhat believable too. I personally think that 8 year olds shouldn't be allowed to play GTA, I think thats a bad influence an a young childs life, and I also know that it happens quite regularly. The kneejerk fear is pretty easy to see, people don't want there baby pretending to graphically kill people. Fair enough. However, it is often overlooked that to play these games, you need to have a system that costs a few hundred dollars, a game that costs around 50, a means of purchaseing the game, enough knowledge to set up the system, and a place to play at home. Chances are, all of these things are directly in control of the parent. If you let your child have all these things, then it is your duty to make the cursory effort required to know what sort of games your child is playing. You can't tell me you didn't know the game was innapropriate. It likely had guns and dead people on the cover, or you could watch it for a matter of seconds. So you have some irresponsible parenting, and all these other people assume that since they don't understand video games, that the irresponsible parents are simply victims of circumstances. Suddenly, this sounds like something every parent should know, a danger lurking in the shadows, and certainly something that will get people to read or watch whatever news there doing. Video Games are marketable news. And video games are just now starting to gain a prominence where the scapegoat can fight back. Speaking of ignorence, theres also the matter of studies that, "Prove" that video games cause violence. That idea angers me both as a gamer and as someone with a Psychology degree. Its so easy for the Media to take a study, assume its absolute, and run a story on it. But these studies are junk. Some will say that video game players are more likely to be violent. Maybe its because gamers tend to be viewed as geeks, who tend to get picked on and teased, and therefore more likely to retaliate. Maybe a kid whose already violent looks to a violent game as an outlet. Theres plenty of more likely explainations then games causeing a violent hypnosis that urges players to kill. Other studies try to imitate a sort of Bobo doll study, and see if video games raise levels of aggression, and find that they do. Sound legitimate, but theres a big difference between noteing aggression on a survey, and being more likely to hurt someone. Theres many kinds of aggression. If you use this to condemn video games, then I raise this same criticism against all sports, and I have much better evidence that they are the root of violence (Soccer riots anyone?). The only study that would be relevant in showing a causal link between video games and violent behavior would be by forcing one group of kids to play video games, and the other half to not, and seeing which group behaves more violently. That might provide a moderate amount of evidence if done correctly, and is flagrently unethical and impractical. Its so easy to assume that the researchers know what they are talking about, but a lot of times they don't. Trusting a professional is not always a good idea. So do I think the media attacks video games? Sometimes. But I think its out of ignorence and laziness. They run what seems marketable. |
well i think the title says it all but i think that with the immente realise of GTA 4 possible the most un-contraversaly contraversal game ever to be made i have been thinking about why the meadia feels compelled to (and is allowed to) basicly shit all over gaming.
just to so you no where i stand i am sort of i the "games are art" camp whilst still making the odd visit to "OMG!LOL!ART IS F0R FAGZ!!!!" camp (i am not good at leet speak because i have a life) so that is why i get very pissed of when ignorant people are not only given a outlet for there porly thought out (and some times down right wrong) views but are payed to do it.
ok thats me done so what is your view point?
is gaming the perineal scapegoat of the world or is this all just a mouses fart in the hurrican of the bigger prolems facing our respectve sociyatys