Copy Clerk Posts: 89 Joined: 6 Dec 2007   | |
Muckraker  Posts: 259 Joined: 25 Jan 2008     | Banned for admission of piracy. -mod Dammit! Now it's going to take even longer to show up on bittorrent. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 69 Joined: 6 Feb 2008 |
no, that isnt why people pirate games. get this though your thick head you stupid git, people pirate games because by doing so they get something for nothing, without paying for it. its because of people pirating games that we get s*** like this, complicated online activation. if complicated online activation was the cause of piracy than please enlighten us as to why said activation methods came about in the first place? youve got it backwards, now will you and everyone else who uses these bulls*** arguments to justify the fact that they are stealing something that people worked their asses off to make just shut the hell up and quit wasting oxygen and gas already? i honestly hope that the game devs and publishing studios finally get some sense beat into them and start using something like trusted computing (as much as i hate saying that) so that all you thiefs will actually have to pay for you games now, and then maybe we can get rid of these crappy drm and activation methods. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 89 Joined: 6 Dec 2007 |
Pirated version > Legitimate version. Pirated version doesn't need to phone home, legitimate version does. See where I'm going with this? The pirated version is the superior product. It doesn't install malware or make your computer phone home every 10 days. |
BANNED Posts: 39 Joined: 6 Mar 2008 |
I feel sorry for you. User was banned for: Civilization IV: Colonization Called 'Morally Disturbing'. (Permanent) |
Copy Clerk Posts: 69 Joined: 6 Feb 2008 |
AND OF COURSE YOU MISS THE WHOLE F***ING POINT!!!!!! please, go back and actually READ what i wrote this time before opening your mouth and making yourself look like an idiot instead of just a common thief.
for what, being a pillar of common sense and decency? |
BANNED Posts: 39 Joined: 6 Mar 2008 |
No, for being such a douchebag. Calling someone you don't know a stupid git... You just came down the entire evolution ladder. And if you want some insight from a REAL Mass Effect customer, check out my (locked) topic "The game industry hates me". @mod Banned for piracy discussion? Hell, you should have me shot then. User was banned for: Civilization IV: Colonization Called 'Morally Disturbing'. (Permanent) |
Paperboy  Posts: 37 Joined: 16 Jan 2008  | I'm confused? Does it just not work? |
Copy Clerk Posts: 69 Joined: 6 Feb 2008 |
yeah, like the fact that he gives an opinion thats so full of holes it might as well have a sticker at the top of the post saying "easy to prove wrong" isnt reason enough? he is a stupid git, his rational is flawed up the arse and even more so the reply he made to my first post proves his inability to comprehend what hes reading. if you dont think that makes someone a stupid git that please tell me what does. as for me being a douchebag, i dont give a flying f*** what you or anyone else thinks of me, so congratulations on accomplishing absolutly nothing with 2 posts, hope you think it was a good waste of electricity and your bodys own energy. |
BANNED Posts: 39 Joined: 6 Mar 2008 | It works, but you won't be able to play it if you lose your internet connection for some reason. It's like WoW. User was banned for: Civilization IV: Colonization Called 'Morally Disturbing'. (Permanent) |
BANNED Posts: 39 Joined: 6 Mar 2008 |
Look, kid. I didn't join this site to be in a dick waving competition. If you have an argument, let us all read it. This way you sound like a retard on amphetamines, and no one will give a fuck what you have to say. User was banned for: Civilization IV: Colonization Called 'Morally Disturbing'. (Permanent) |
Copy Clerk Posts: 69 Joined: 6 Feb 2008 |
hate to break it to you but im not a kid, and if your anal enough i can easily prove that as well. just hit me up with a pm and ill send you a scan of my drivers license. i realise all this, but you have to understand something. im tired of all these s***heads running around proclaiming that stealing games is justified or even justifiable for that matter. the arguments and rational are absolutly absurd at best and worst of all its had a very clear effect on both the quality of the games that get released for the pc as well as the sales of the games that are actually done well to the point that developers either abandon the platform or go out of business all together, not to mention the fact that this issue has been trickling down to the consoles as well for the past couple of years and if not stopped will in the future have a very clear and definite effect on the entire gaming industry as a whole. it used to be that hacking a console was a difficult matter, it involved taking it apart and adding in a mod chip, doing some god awful complicated process to soft mod it, or sending it off to someone who charges an arm and a leg to do it for you. with the modern consoles however (and this is most apparent with the psp) its goten to the point where anyone who knows how to "move file(s) x(and y/z/etc. when necessary) here and then follow the directions, which ammount to pushing button x when prompted to do so" can hack it. theres also the fact that ive got a lot going on in my personal life, and if you get pissed off in one area of your life your very likely to let that slip into other areas, for example have a bad day at work and then come home and kick the dog, with me its have a bad day (or month for that matter) and come home and yell at random people ill never meet in real life on the internet. thats for another time though. i dont mean to offer this as an excuse though, alough id be lying if i said i didnt mean it as that, but ill end with this, im not apolgising for what i said, i absolutly mean what i said and i dont care what you or anyone else thinks of me for what i said, so go ahead and think whatever you want, just know i dont care (and i sincerly dont mean this last part in an offensive way, its just me trying to make clear that i gave up on caring what random people on the internet think of me a long time ago, honestly i dont think anyone should care in this case). |
BANNED Posts: 39 Joined: 6 Mar 2008 |
Sorry, sweetheart. I'm straight. Now, this site has a lot of nice read to it, so I'll provide you with a couple of links to amuse yourself, and gain a couple of IQ points along the way, so that you wouldn't embarrass yourself like this again in the public. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_94/525-Playground-Piracy Last, but not least, my own frustration with pre-ordering Mass Effect. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.59561 BTW, going around the internet insulting random people will not make your personal life any better, but I suppose you'd realize that in a couple of years. And I hope that kicking a dog was just a primer of sorts for the masses of the internet, because molesting animals in any way will eventually land your stupid self-loathing ass in jail, where you can get anal all you want. User was banned for: Civilization IV: Colonization Called 'Morally Disturbing'. (Permanent) |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 433 Joined: 23 Mar 2008    | Sorry ratix2, but I'd have to agree with Dr. Evil. You need to calm down a bit. Having a bad day, or month as seems to be your case, is no reason to take it out on random people over the internet. That said, all these security measures wouldn't need to be in place if it weren't for pirateers(sp?), and there wouldn't be so many pirated games if it weren't for the security measures. It's a vicious cycle. |
BANNED Posts: 39 Joined: 6 Mar 2008 |
I have a sweet rebuttal for your argument. http://news.filefront.com/sins-of-a-solar-empire-sells-100k/ God, I love this game. Worth every dime. No copy protection. User was banned for: Civilization IV: Colonization Called 'Morally Disturbing'. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3809 Joined: 26 Feb 2008     |
I happen to support paying for main stream games... It allows developers to know what people like, and build more that cater to that same crowd... or sequels... I am loking at you KotOR! I will be buying an X-box just to have 1 & 2 when 3 comes out... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2446 Joined: 18 Dec 2007   | ratix2, you should calm down. The guy makes a point that with the Pirate version you do not have to buy a new one if you are away from the Internet for 10 days. That in my opinion makes it a lot better. However it would be easier to buy it for the 360 IMO. |
BANNED Posts: 39 Joined: 6 Mar 2008 | @Darth Mobius I, too, happen to support paying for games. I always buy the ones I like. But I also happen to expect the paid product to be in my possession forever and that I will be able to consume it how and when I choose. User was banned for: Civilization IV: Colonization Called 'Morally Disturbing'. (Permanent) |
BANNED  Posts: 59 Joined: 18 Jan 2008  | rofles, heated geek argument....... I wish I could sound insightful, but I can't........ |
Anonymous Source Posts: 10 Joined: 17 Jan 2008 | Why did Nugoo get banned? It sounded to me like a sarcastic remark conveying the fact that this will still be cracked and only legitimate gamers will suffer, which is a reasonable argument. This is a piracy discussion thread, are we all going to get banned just by posting? If so why don't you lock the thread itself? Or was it something else he did in a different thread maybe? Either way, that's a bit scary to the rest of us who aren't sure of what to post now without getting banned. Anyway, piracy actually has pros and cons, believe it or not, it cannot be categorised as just pure stealing. For starters "copying" is not stealing, you're not taking something, you're making a duplicate. There are a few arguments against piracy, such as how it attracts people to getting the copy of the game instead of buying it, but this muddled in falsehood. For example a lot of people won't buy the game in the first place, even if piracy didn't exist, because of possible reasons such as: 1. Actually not having enough money to spend on the game: I know what you're thinking - "if they don't have the money, they shouldn't get the game", but that's not true, if you think about the age group of people who know how to pirate, they're made up of a lot of students, who are generally poor. At the same time their fellow mates all bought/pirated the game and this is where pear pressure comes in, if all your friends are playing it, but you can't get it, you turn to piracy. 2. Don't want the game anyway: If you were never going to buy it in the first place, but just pirated out of curiosity then you're actually not doing any harm to the creators. In fact, you're going to help them, because you'll still be telling people about the game, you're working as an free advertiser. If you missed the point in this point at the start I'll reiterate: If you were never going to buy the game, you were never going to give them the money, whether you have the game or you don't doesn't matter in this case, and if you do still get the game by other means then you're not "out of the loop". 3. Try now, buy later: This is what demos of game should do, but let's face it, the full game is better than a short demo. Some people pirate the game to see if it's worth buying, and then they decide. Now, of course if piracy didn't exist, it's possible that the number of people that buy games would rise. Either that or you would actually lose a lot of the audience, which would hurt your game instead. It's difficult to tell without a thorough analysis but you can look at it this way: Piracy has always existed; when we were still on modem connections you copied your games to CDs and brought them over to your mate's house. You exchanged copies of games all the time with people you knew. It's a smaller scale perhaps, but the reasons are still the same. Then you can look at the psychology of pirating and why people do it without caring. You may possibly argue that it's human nature and there's nothing to be done about it without restricting people's innate drives, but I won't go into theorising about this or the post will drag on for several pages. Now, I think it's obvious piracy isn't going anywhere, so how do you "fight" against? How do you fight your own audience and your own customers? Well, the answer is you don't: I think it's obvious that threatening and restricting your own possible customers is only going to lose them. I've said in another thread that gamers are rebellious in nature, if you go against them they'll just stick it to the man so to speak and pirate your game out of spite. "EA is putting SecuRom on Mass Effect. Normally this wouldn't be a big issue, but this has one big flaw. It's going to disable your game if it doesn't activate itself every 10 days." This is a perfect example of what NOT TO DO to fight piracy. This will only turn more people to it and annoy the people that buy your game. It is stupid. So what can you do then? We can look at successful internet distribution systems for the answer, such as Steam. People who bought the game from steam get added things like the community, achievements (for Valve's games) and other niceties. You get more for buying the game than you would for pirating it. Of course this won't stop piracy, but the point is not to even try, the point is to distribute the game in such a way that it's easier and more meaningful for people to buy it. Evidence suggests that this works! Take a look at Call of Duty 4, if you were just going to get it for the single player, people would pirate it for sure, but the added multiplayer capability adds so much more to the game that people actually want to buy it to play online. Same goes for other games such as Team Fortress 2, this is a purely multiplayer game, if you don't buy it, you can't play online. Single player games also don't have to feel left out, take a look at Half-Life 2, if you buy the game you get achievements, instant updates, a community, easy access to mods and more. Sure you could still pirate it if you didn't care about those things, but chances are the people that do that won't/can't give you the money for the game in the first place. Sins of a solar empire, which also used an internet distribution system, has done incredibly well also. So to conclude, If you give your audience an easy method of obtaining your game, with added incentive to do so, you'll only gain respect and more customers. If you add silly security checks like this, that will be cracked anyway within days and only possibly upset your paying customers, you're only going to lose buyers and hurt your business. This is entirely too much typing, if one of you actually read through this then congratulations is in order I believe. Mystery |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1847 Joined: 4 Nov 2007    | I'm told this system will be used for spore too. Which is sad because now a game I was going to buy, I won't. I'm sorry, Will, really I am. |
Red Guard  Posts: 1549 Joined: 16 Dec 2007   |
You're completely right, I should have said something about the banning. However I was headed off to work and didn't have the time. Its fine to discuss piracy as long as you're not admitting to criminal acts that can bring litigation against yourself or this site. Perhaps Nugoo was being ironic rather than admitting to being a warez user. I couldn't tell, and that's why it's only a short ban. If you have something more to contribute to this particular discussion, please PM me. I will be more than happy to talk to you about it. |
BANNED  Posts: 146 Joined: 29 Apr 2008 |
Dude. This guys an assfuck who's bad-shit bonkers! Pirating games is for asshats who can't appreciate the hard work and long sport drink fueled nights that these programmers put into the game. This guy should be banned on a count of being a twit! |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 977 Joined: 2 Jan 2008 |
See, this is funny because I can't tell whether you're making fun of ratix2 or if you're actually like that. I really like the "leaves you guessing" jokes. - J |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1847 Joined: 4 Nov 2007 |
As soon as the creators of a game got the lion's share of it's profits and had some creative freedom (ie, weren't blown to the wind the second their chief publisher decided to disband them, didn't have to sell their IP away as a matter of course in this industry, weren't forced to work literally crazy hours for no good reason-google EA Spouse- etc etc) then I would agree with you. As it is, though I don't condone or take part in piracy, most developers barely feel the sales they make compared to publishers, so I can understand why some might pirate as a "f*** you" to the industry. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 6373 Joined: 28 Nov 2007   | Where's my prize, mystery? As for pirating games, I believe it is wrong if people do it just to avoid paying for a game they want. However, if they intend to buy the game at a later date and just want to try it out first, that's a different story, but it's still far from a black and white issue. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 91 Joined: 21 Feb 2008 |
Actually it is one of the reasons why people pirate games. Generally there's multiple groups of people that play cracked games. Generally, though I don't have numbers, the largest group is the people that never intended to pay for the game, ever. Publishers will never be able to beat this group because they don't really care about having specific games right away, and with time any copy protection scheme can be beaten or circumvented. It's a the monkeys + typewriters + time = the collected works of Shakespear issue. The second group contains people who for various reason pirate a game as a crime of opportunity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_of_opportunity), this can be caused by any number of things from a staggered release, to having purchased the game but wanting to play it without a cd. The presence or lack of DRM/anti-piracy additions to a game will affect this second group. It may drive some out into the non pirate group, it may drive some into the pirate only group. The down side is it also may drive people into the opportunist group from the normally law abiding category. The problem any protection scheme is recognized on both fronts as only a delaying action for the first group of pirates, it's only there to increase the amount of time from the day of release until it becomes an opportunity issue. At most it's a technical rear guard action (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rear%20guard) the publisher knows they are going to lose the ground the DRM covers. It's a fine line between extending that initial retail sweet spot and alienating the paying consumer, because they can and will be driven into the pirate camp. But there's not as much travel in the other direction. It's a vicious cycle that feeds on itself, more people get pissed off, so they pirate software, so drm on games gets stronger/more difficult, which pisses more people off and so on. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 10 Joined: 13 Sep 2007 |
How is that admission of piracy??? Drank your coffee today? Maybe you should before playing the guy with too many rights? As far as I see it - the guy just admitted that piracy exists and that pirates use torrent... So? |
Paperboy  Posts: 49 Joined: 9 Apr 2008 |
See this is what I agree with. Pirating just because you want to play without paying takes money out of developers and may make the publisher decide to abandon the idea that made people want to play. I do realize that there are not enough people for this yet but one day it is a possibility. Though to basically test drive a game especially in the age of DLC I have zero problems with. I guess my point is if you do pirate please do it for the right reasons or you might see good ideas get thrown out for Space Marine Zombie Nazi Killer 9, and who wants that. |
http://kotaku.com/387846/mass-effect-copy-protection-an-opportunity-to-use-the-adjective-draconian
http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=628724&forum=125
This is why people pirate games. The pirate version is higher quality than the storebought one.
EA is putting SecuRom on Mass Effect. Normally this wouldn't be a big issue, but this has one big flaw. It's going to disable your game if it doesn't activate itself every 10 days.
When the pirate version is better than the legitimate one, your product has a problem.