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GenHellspawn
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Darth Mobius:
And I prefer the .50 Barrett Sniper rifle if I want to do some long range killing... AK is more fun for close combat...

It's too jumpy for me. Also, it's totaly useless in harcore.

CatcherJJ
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M4. A solid gun with good range and accuracy. Probably the most balanced also.

The Franco
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I play way too much Hardcore, so the M21 and it's sniper counterpart are my tools of choice. Single shot, pretty damn accurate, low recoil (I have a habit of missing when I get overzealous), and they sound pretty damn cool. In any other non-one-shot=kill mode I go with the g36c. But having played hardcore for a while I've noticed that the Desert Eagle is ridiculously accurate at long range, especially in last stand.

Jenkins
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well. id say the AK.

standard setup

ak47, with a red dot and stopping power=win

and yes noobtube IS NOOBISH

it basicly is being able to throw a random grenade across like half the map. its rediculous how u can run a corner and get blown up by a guy camping with the tube.

also M4 is the cheepest rifle you can grab IMO. even though it says it has low power, I always seem to get 2-3 shotted by it (i even tested this when i used juggernaut) and the fact that it has NO RECOIL mean you can run up and spray someone. i like the ak-47 because it takes some ammount of skill, you cant just run and spray. people think the weapon sucks but IMO in order to unleash its full potential i only use the gun in small bursts. theres been many times where i can out snipe a sniper using this rifle

hairdo2000
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On thing I would say about the AK47 though, it does look fricking awesome!!

JOE COOL
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On the military channel the #1 gun was the AK-47.
In my opinion I only look at the pros and cons of each.

The M4 is tactical and can be attached with scopes, grips, scilencers, and the grenade launcher

The AK-47 is used by many around the world and was in 900 wars! It damage and fire rate might of benn exagerated though.

Sib
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Jenkins:
i like the ak-47 because it takes some ammount of skill, you cant just run and spray. people think the weapon sucks but IMO in order to unleash its full potential i only use the gun in small bursts. theres been many times where i can out snipe a sniper using this rifle

AK47 ownz when you are good with it, cant beat cross mapping snipers with it, sadly I have to use the MP44 for a while :(

PaintChips
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Darth Mobius:
Thank you, I know... Most people prefer to have the greater stopping power, and greater reliability of the AK. Why do you think the government actually had to ISSUE ORDERS Banning troops from picking up and using captured AKs because they disliked the M-16 so much?

To my knowledge, this was only an issue in 'Nam, and only then because the AK-47 works better in unfavorable conditions than the M-16. And they were banned because soldiers who had lifted AK's where taking friendly fire more often than not.

Anarchemitis
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Kalishnikova, because simply it is more popular in real-life. I think they're both similar and rely on preference. Rat-tat-tat.

thisnameok
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I choose none of the above and prefer to run around and knife people, even if i dont get the most kills, its hilarious watching people get pissed off because they just emptied a whole clip while i just sprinted and knifed them.

MattyDienhoff
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I generally prefer the AK for it's stopping power, but I do prefer the sights on the M16.

Jumplion:
I had run out of ammo for the default assault class, so I stole a AK and went around shooting everyone.

Then, before i noticed that there was one sniper that kept on going on the car with all the missles on it to snipe (it was the Countdown map). So, i took the AK with the Red Dot Sight, aimed and fired LITERALY ACCROSS THE FREAKIN MAP! He was barely 2x3 pixles on my screep mind you.

No way in hell could an AK, let alone a regular assault rifle, shoot accross the map about (i'm guessing) 1000 meters away

I think your estimate is way out, because I don't think CoD4 has any maps with those kind of ranges. 600m at most and definitely not in Countdown.

And for the last time, would you fools stop calling any medium/medium-long range shooting with any weapon 'sniping'? A military sniper is a well-trained specialist and an expert in camouflage who can engage targets at far longer ranges than you find in the puny maps in COD4. If you kill a target 500m away with a Desert Eagle, you're a nut with a handgun who got lucky, not a sniper.

thisnameok
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I like how once any thread about weapons pops up, people try to prove how they know so much about the military and guns, yes i get it, you watch the history channel, bravo, so does everybody else. Although between the options you gave us OP, i prefer the AK, but i really like my G3 in hardcore

Codgo
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Jenkins:

and yes noobtube IS NOOBISH

Yes the tube can be a annoying sometimes but i still find this games main problem is spam. ie: Nades and Helis

They should have had no grenades for players and you only get 1-2 with a perk. Maybe then some players would concentrate on shooting each other rather than spamming. Its no wonder this game lacks skilled players.

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Sihdhartha
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G-36C w/ a Silencer or the M-4 w/ a Silencer.

However, the P-90 w/ Bandoleer & Double Tap works wonders in close in situations where they are all bunched up.

As to the real life comparisons. The reasons for the AK-47's (not talking any newer models here as they are slightly improved) notorious lack of accuracy is in the manufacturing. The reason the weapon is so durable is that the tolerances used in fitting the parts together are actually very loose. While this does improve the durability & resistance to the elements it also causes parts of the gun to flex quite a bit when firing. Ever get a chance check out some frame-by-frame pictures of a AK firing using high speed cameras. The upper reciever actually bucks quite a bit away from the lower reciever which does nothing to improve accuracy.

In the hands of an average soldier an AK has an effective (meaning accurate) range of 200m-300m. An M-16 in the hands of a semi competent shooter has an accurate range of around 400m-600m. (This is just the stuff I remember from Marine Infantry Training & other stuff that has come up on the History & Military Channels). Unfortunatly most firefights occur at -200m thus kinda negating the 16's advantage.....

Fondant
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9/10ths of all infantry warfare is conducted at 100-300 yards. Infanrty are only of use in such a situation, because in the open they are, in essence, mincemeat for any Tom (tank officer) Dick (maraudering gunship pilot) and Harry (psychotic artilleryman resembling Richard Nixon) with spare time on their hands. And please don't point out Stingers and LAWs, because these weapons are still not enough to even the advantage.

Also- shooting at over 600 yards, your lucky to hit even if you're a trained sniper. No military engagement of significance (outside of tank battles, and the average infantryman is useless in these) was fought outside of the <300 yard range.

Gildedtongue
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The Fabrique Nationale Fusil Automatique Leger.

Uses the 7.62X51 round, which is bigger than the AK's cartridge, has a nice accuracy single fire, but burst tends to spray, which is fine since the only use of automatic fire is suppression.

Sihdhartha
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Gildedtongue:
The Fabrique Nationale Fusil Automatique Leger.

Uses the 7.62X51 round, which is bigger than the AK's cartridge, has a nice accuracy single fire, but burst tends to spray, which is fine since the only use of automatic fire is suppression.

I wish they had FN-FAL's in COD4. Nice weapon, was very popular during it's day even if large and bulky. 20 round Magazine is also a turn off but hard to argue with 7.62mm NATO rounds, one of my fav's in Rainbow Six 3 PC version...

stompy
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Froce:
My favourite gun, though, is the M14.

Too bad you can't get the cool scope you get with the Marine for the M4. Though, if I played multiplayer, I'd be using the M4. I prefer accuracy ofer stopping power. Which is why I'd be a sniper...

Jayact
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Hmm.. It depends on the map and my mood. I like to switch off between the M4 and the M16A4. One for long long range sniping, and one for run and gun.

Darth Mobius
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PaintChips:

To my knowledge, this was only an issue in 'Nam, and only then because the AK-47 works better in unfavorable conditions than the M-16. And they were banned because soldiers who had lifted AK's where taking friendly fire more often than not.

I didn't say the specific reason WHY the order was issued, but that it had to be issued BECAUSE soldiers were picking them up because they were better. Yes, they issued the order because they were taking friendly fire, but they were taking friendly fire because they had picked up a rifle that worked better in the current setting than their own jam-prone weapons. And yes, that was in Vietnam. I thought I specified that, but if I didn't I am sorry. After Vietnam they had actually figured out how to make the gun more reliable than it had been, and it wasn't as much of a problem...

hamster mk 4
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I like the M16 in COD4. It is more satisfying to get the kill by clicking once then holding the mouse down. I haven't quite mastered short burst AK yet. Two of my custom slots are dedicated to the M16. Red dot and Silenced depending on how sneaky I am feeling at the time.

For real life I would prefer the AK since my shooting skill is closer to that of a Russian worker than a US Marine.

CTU_Agent24
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Projekt Spartan:
I like the G36C actually... probably should have made this a poll though...

G36 is awsome, but the best weapon is the P-90. Sweet as.
Also MP5 (yes, MP5) is preaty good.

blaze96
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I am an M16 fan (red dot and digital camo because I can). I have popped sniper across the map and prefer three round burst fire rather than the spray and pray tactic. When you mix that with stopping power and deep impact with extra ammo I have a good ranged killing machine. The Ak-47 is by no means a bad gun in any way it is just not my type of gun. The recoil on the AK is a bit more fierce than the M16 in my experience so I don't have as fine of aim (which is not a problem with the M16 because every other kill is a headshot for me with that particular rifle). So I am a major advocate for the M16 but I say just use what works best for you.

Fallensky7
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M16 + ACOG = God

Foolish Mortal
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1) We aren't talking about real-life guns here, so the point is moot.

2) Every single machine gun in the game is exactly the same. Different sights, whoop de doo. So this point is also moot.

I vote Dragunov sniper rifle. Just because.

Scolar Visari
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Foolish Mortal:
1) We aren't talking about real-life guns here, so the point is moot.

2) Every single machine gun in the game is exactly the same. Different sights, whoop de doo. So this point is also moot.

I vote Dragunov sniper rifle. Just because.

Really? Most of the guns in the game handle differently even if only slightly. As to the reason were talking about real guns is because I made an uninformed comment on the G36C compatibility with grenade launchers. That or someone else made another comment that started this.

XT
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AK47, the very best there is, mine is gold plated, naked, and always equipped with stopping power and deep impact.

I play competitively so i pretty much limit myself to perks and attachments only allowed in league play for CAL, TGL, and TWL.

TWL is the most lenient so i usually limit myself to CAL allowed perks and gadgets.

That being said, it does not matter what gun I use, I'll assfuck you sideways with a Beretta if that's all I've got. My usuals are the MP5, AK74U (they modeled it completely fucking wrong), the AK47, M16A4, and M4. Always depends on the map and my opponents.

the P90 is weaksauce, if you use it you should uninstall the game and go play in traffic. That gun is fucking lazy.

XT
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Singing Gremlin:
HAH! I love games where you can silence an AK. S'rubbish, the firing chamber clangs so much it wouldn't do you any good.

maybe your shitty WASR-10 rattles like that, but an AK with a milled reciever doesnt make that kind of noise, also: Pic related

http://www.espionageinfo.com/images/eeis_03_img0957.jpg

Spetznaz > you.

XT
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JOE COOL:
On the military channel
The AK-47 is used by many around the world and was in 900 wars! It damage and fire rate might of benn exagerated though.

the AK47 has a cyclic rate of 600 rounds per minute, the 7.62x39mm M43 round is a vicious bastard within 200 meters and WILL knock you on your ass. Hollow point M43 will produce an exit wound the size of a grapefruit.

I've never seen a game do any gun true justice, especially not the AK or the AR-15.

Stok3dJ
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XT:
the P90 is weaksauce, if you use it you should uninstall the game and go play in traffic. That gun is fucking lazy.

lmao I love you dude :P its sooo true. but personally... i think they should slit their wrists with the game disc before going to bleed out in traffic... A+ for the effort though :)

Stok3dJ
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AK47 with ACOG, Stopping Power, Steady Aim and Bandolier/X3 Frag
Is an amazing way to play, its difficult to use but once you get good with it you can pick targets off from across the map with its amazing accuracy. It also has the firepower to come out on top in close quarters combat Unlike the M4. Extremly versatile...

M16 pisses me off, im not going to lie it CAN be good if someone decent is behind it... but I hate the 12 year old kids just put stopping power on it and get lucky body shots... no skill involved in that case. Plus why does it do more damage then the M4???? the fuck is that??? Same bullets. makes ZERO sense.

OH and a side note, for anyone who wants to say "Oh your a noob the AK isnt accurate"... Yes it fucking is. /end

If you CANT be accurate with it, go play CounterStrike Source and practise single/burst shotting it like I did. Just TRY spraying in that game and your going to get humiliated.

Stok3dJ
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Jenkins:

and yes noobtube IS NOOBISH

it basicly is being able to throw a random grenade across like half the map. its rediculous how u can run a corner and get blown up by a guy camping with the tube.

also M4 is the cheepest rifle you can grab IMO. even though it says it has low power, I always seem to get 2-3 shotted by it

... where to start. Nade Launcher... NOT NOOBISH. people only say that because People whore it OR noobs can get kills with it GET SKILL. Nade launcher is an awesome weapon to use against campers. not AS one. and its hard as shit to fire over decent distances and be accurate with...
Other wise... "M4 is the cheepest rifle"... pass grade 2 english. My 6 year old brother can spell cheap you retard. and complaining about 2-3 shotted? hmm... go try to take 2 or 3 bullets IRL see how it feels. and perhaps unlike shit-dicks like you they can get a little tricky manuver called a "headshot". Look it up fag boy.

Force Feedback Codpiece
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I think a lot of you complaining about the lack of realism in CoD4 are playing the wrong game.

You should check out ArmA (Armed Assault in Europe), it's probably the best commercial all-round military sim out there. If you play co-op with a bunch of buddies on TS or Vent, you'll have an amazing experience. Just search for "arma co-op" on YouTube.

Back on topic... I like:

AK-47 silenced + Stopping Power
M4, it's a great weapon for Hardcore, but "normal" CoD4 sucks (seriously, Hardcore ftw)
M16, good for medium-long, sucks at close range though.
G3, purely because of the looks, but you can easily use this to outshoot hipspammers.

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