Games are in a rut, anything expected to be good has been pushed back over and over, and what we've been left with isn't even good enough to roll into a Katamari. The FPS in particular has hit what could be considered a mid-life crisis, but he can't fix it like we would; divorce his wife for a slutty blonde and buy that sports car he always wanted...
What FPS gaming needs most is to break away from the carbon-copy cloning and try something new. My suggestions:
-Female player characters. Perfect Dark is the last true FPS I can recall where you didn't play as a mute soldier-dude of some sort. Womans-Lib crap aside, it might be nice just to mix it up a bit.
-Unambiguous back-stories and main character dialog would be nice. I for one have had my fill of games where caveman grunting was the extent of the main character's vocabulary. It's become a running gag, much like Morn from Deep Space Nine. Everyone speaks to him, but he never speaks back. This isn't the Commodore-64 era with AD-Lib sound and 5 1/2" floppy discs, I want some gods damned voice acting. Duke Nukem and Lo Wang were the most vocal FPS characters ever, and their games are STILL epic.
-Some original firearms please. Digital entertainment is not bound by that retarded contract that keeps the US military from using non-Colt firearms, I don't want to see another M-16 or Colt Commando for at least five years (Historic games aside). The firearms choices are tired, lets mix them up... No more M1911 pistols, no more Uzi or Mac-10 SMGs, and no more gods damned miniguns. Miniguns don't exist as man-pack weapons, never did, never will, there simply isn't a way to carry enough ammo for sustained use. Last item to mention, who's idea was it to put Crossbows into every fucking FPS possible? The crossbow was a mostly-failure weapon in its own era, and complete fraking slag today.
-New and interesting locations? Just a thought, but I've had my fill of brown castles and underground lairs, and historic games aside, I won't go near another bombed-out city. Lets try POPULATED cities... Or how about something set in Japanese pagodas, a Tibetan temple, Greek ruins, the forests of British Columbia, or the mountains of Slovenia? Not to mention some other, more "controversial" areas... Schools and the Vatican come to mind... Pope-Hunt III, make your way through the catacombs under Rome and battle Nazi-Pope in his secret chambers.
I'll add more as I think them up, but what are your ideas or beefs with FPSs?
FPS that are fun - Blood, Duke Nukem 3D, Wolfenstein 3D (not the sequel!!) Shadow Warrior, Rise of the Triad (RoTT) (anyone remember 'dog' or 'god' mode?) rather than everything being all morbid and depressive i.e. HL-2, Max Payne
Vehicle sections that work aka PREY
Multiplayer sections in space aka Klingon Honour Guard / Quake 3
Proper MP levels, like we had in Doom and Quake - not the crap that poses for levels now.
FPS where you can't carry every gun - you pick and choose - makes it more strategic, living on your wits.
Sequels to FPS that are properly placed in time and not brought out to please the masses.
Well, then, your probabably looking forward to "Mirror's Edge." It has a female main character, and a distinct lack of guns for the most part. It's not even a real FPS. it's more of an... FPR, I guess. First Person... Runner... wow... that sounds weird.
-Female player characters. Perfect Dark is the last true FPS I can recall where you didn't play as a mute soldier-dude of some sort. Womans-Lib crap aside, it might be nice just to mix it up a bit.
Oh, and if I see one more supposedly "realistic" military game with a .50 Desert Eagle, I will hunt down and personally kill the programmers. It's not a useful military weapon, it's unreliable, unwieldy to pack and draw, and heavy.
I want an fps like oblivion, its sandbox but you still have a distinct story line...maybe set it in Alaska so aside from enemy soldiers you also have bears and wolves and the majestic moose....I don't like bears.... and more Irish people! Every other fps has some badass british guy but I think that an Irish person would fit that role a little better... more cell shaded games like XIII
Games, and ESPECIALLY FPS games, can't be in 'controversial' areas like schools, and can definitely NOT have christians as the bad guys unless it's set during the crusades AND you say before hand that the game was made by a bunch of multicultural people holding hands. A bunch of church idiots started gabbing off uselessly when Resistance: Fall of Man had a six minute scene set in a church that, dare I say it? Actually exists in real life! If you tried to make a modern game where you fight a certain nazi-sympathizing religious leader and his slavering followers... Well, it wouldn't be pretty. At all.
That said, I want FPS games to stop featuring a fucking bunny hop button, to stop letting you fire into a wall if you're standing with your nose against it (have FPS creators ever actually HELD a freaking weapon?), and to have fantastic and unique weaponry that is useful for anything BESIDES "make bullets or rockets go really fast when trigger is pulled". (Meaning Resistance: Fall of Man is halfway there. Go-go bullseye and auger rifles!)
I'm partial to the Hailstorm myself but those two weapons are very good. Its funny how books and to a slightly lesser extent movies are pretty much free to explore controversial locales like schools etc. I guess reading is not for kids...........
Kudos to the Deus-Ex series, looking foreward to the release of the third installment.
I like the idea of an open world experience similar to Oblivion's, especially if an FPS had a similar level of NPC interaction and personality to it. I'm sure the next Far Cry will be chock-full of FPS cliches (m16's, predictible dialog...) but at least it sounds like a step towards a dynamic open-world experience.
shadow skill: I feel your pain Khell, I've said simillar things here more than once I second the female character thing and raise you auto-shotgun and this.
shadow skill: I feel your pain Khell, I've said simillar things here more than once I second the female character thing and raise you auto-shotgun and this.
sammyfreak: What i would give to play a game as Beatrix Kiddo.
Seconded. Dear Cthulhu seconded and then some.
Mstrswrd: Well, then, your probabably looking forward to "Mirror's Edge." It has a female main character, and a distinct lack of guns for the most part. It's not even a real FPS. it's more of an... FPR, I guess. First Person... Runner... wow... that sounds weird.
Don't get me wrong, I want the shooter part... Just not the same damn thing over and over.
GloatingSwine: Oh, and if I see one more supposedly "realistic" military game with a .50 Desert Eagle, I will hunt down and personally kill the programmers. It's not a useful military weapon, it's unreliable, unwieldy to pack and draw, and heavy.
Not to mention expensive. The military considered and rejected the Desert Eagle based on the price more than anything. Why equip soldiers with pistols more expensive than their rifles?
propertyofcobra: Games, and ESPECIALLY FPS games, can't be in 'controversial' areas like schools, and can definitely NOT have christians as the bad guys unless it's set during the crusades AND you say before hand that the game was made by a bunch of multicultural people holding hands. A bunch of church idiots started gabbing off uselessly when Resistance: Fall of Man had a six minute scene set in a church that, dare I say it? Actually exists in real life! If you tried to make a modern game where you fight a certain nazi-sympathizing religious leader and his slavering followers... Well, it wouldn't be pretty. At all.
Bring It ON!
I don't care HOW much it pisses off the "religious right" or anyone else, I would absolutely LOVE some insensitive games that are insensitive to OUR nations and OUR way of life, not the current trend of just offending whoever the US is currently shelling.
I want the next "Postal" title to be what "Bully" should have been. I want a game where a geeky kid who has been pushed around his whole life SNAPS, brings a pistol to school and starts hosing the bullies who ruined his life. Then, when the police rush in, have him cap a cop, steal his shotgun/smg and body armor, and continue the game as such. At the end of the game, after its progressed through the school, a library, city park, mall, and finally an office building, I want a cinematic finale of the kid on the roof of the office tower, his parents flown in via heli after the last boss fight... The kid stands on the edge of the building as if to jump, turns to face his parents, aiming a pistol at each of them. He just stares them down for a full 2 minutes, then says "You never listened", then quickly turns one of the pistols on himself and blows a hole through his head, the body falling to the street below with a cinematic zoom in of his face, a single tear falls from his eye just before impact.
THAT'S a game I want to play, I'd pay three times going retail rates for it. People will piss and moan about how bad of an influence it is, and that would be the best part... Games aren't making kids go Columbine on each other, PEOPLE are. Maybe this would open some eyes, and be one part emotional rollercoaster two parts entertainment to play. A good movie adaptation could follow so long as Uwe Boll and M Knight Shamawhatever keep their hands off it.
shadow skill: I'm partial to the Hailstorm myself but those two weapons are very good. Its funny how books and to a slightly lesser extent movies are pretty much free to explore controversial locales like schools etc. I guess reading is not for kids...........
So true... So f**king true...
Anarchemitis:
GloatingSwine:
shadow skill: I feel your pain Khell, I've said simillar things here more than once I second the female character thing and raise you auto-shotgun and this.
You guys have no taste in weapons... THIS is MY preferred rifle, and THIS is my ultimate toy of choice. Not the most exciting video, but the results are all I care about.
I agree, Khell. I'd love some insensitive games, but it's just not gonna happen. My wife throws a hissy fit whenever I badmouth his holiness pope Benedictus (or Darth Benedictus as I call him whenever she's not around), and she's not even catholic. Morons get upset when you call them out. And when morons get upset, politicians ban stuff.
I would LOVE games about really insensitive subject matter. Make a WW2 game from a Nazi general's POV. But sadly, because 'games aren't art', games can't push the envelope even a little bit.
Anarchemitis:Where has the AA-12 been all of my life? I say combine the autofire of the AA-12 with an assualt rifle. (Like the picture of the XM-26 configured as an attachment for the M4.) It is a game after all its not as if the devs really have to worry about physics.
khell, you do know that people are going to think your fucking insane if you make a game centered around killing "bullies", and the Lawyers will have a fucking field day with it. Not to mention that it will fuck up some kids. Fuck em up real bad like...
Fire Daemon: khell, you do know that people are going to think your fucking insane if you make a game centered around killing "bullies", and the Lawyers will have a fucking field day with it. Not to mention that it will fuck up some kids. Fuck em up real bad like...
If a book about a man obsessed with an underaged girl can be considered art and even be responsible for a word entering into our lexicon then Khell can make a game like that. Lolita was published in 1955 FFS!
Khell_Sennet: I want the next "Postal" title to be what "Bully" should have been. I want a game where a geeky kid who has been pushed around his whole life SNAPS, brings a pistol to school and starts hosing the bullies who ruined his life. Then, when the police rush in, have him cap a cop, steal his shotgun/smg and body armor, and continue the game as such. At the end of the game, after its progressed through the school, a library, city park, mall, and finally an office building, I want a cinematic finale of the kid on the roof of the office tower, his parents flown in via heli after the last boss fight... The kid stands on the edge of the building as if to jump, turns to face his parents, aiming a pistol at each of them. He just stares them down for a full 2 minutes, then says "You never listened", then quickly turns one of the pistols on himself and blows a hole through his head, the body falling to the street below with a cinematic zoom in of his face, a single tear falls from his eye just before impact.
Fox News went ballistic when Mass Effect had PG-13 sex scenes. If that actually got made into a game, the media circus that followed would cause game developers to never try to push the envelope again. That being said, it wouldn't make a bad movie, but fearmongerers would turn the fact that it was a game, into a reason for it to be banned.
How about enemies that can actually take you by suprise. Once again, Resisance is 99% of the way there, but just requires a little more. Say, the Creeper sacs can naturally camoflague themselves, and only show up when they're about to hatch? It would really add a lot to the series horror themes.
And bosses who function on principles other than sight? Say, one who can detect you via their sense of smell? The only way to confuse it is with the flamethrower (You ever tried to smell something with a room full of smoke?)
Fire Daemon: khell, you do know that people are going to think your fucking insane if you make a game centered around killing "bullies", and the Lawyers will have a fucking field day with it. Not to mention that it will fuck up some kids. Fuck em up real bad like...
Not any worse then the drugs people feed their kids because they're "too uncontrollable and hyper", or those bastards who raise their children on coffee and family guy. If anything Khell's ideas will only be guilty of being informative and educational, even artistic. Games are a new form that people need to understand shouldn't be scapegoated, and beleive it or not messages can be delivered through them. Fox news went on a tirade that mass Effect told kids to rape based on one man's words, who eventually retracted the statement. How influencial would it be when in a video game a kid shoots himself because his parents never listened. Sometimes morals have to be removed to create results.
Khell_Sennet: I want the next "Postal" title to be what "Bully" should have been. I want a game where a geeky kid who has been pushed around his whole life SNAPS, brings a pistol to school and starts hosing the bullies who ruined his life. Then, when the police rush in, have him cap a cop, steal his shotgun/smg and body armor, and continue the game as such. At the end of the game, after its progressed through the school, a library, city park, mall, and finally an office building, I want a cinematic finale of the kid on the roof of the office tower, his parents flown in via heli after the last boss fight... The kid stands on the edge of the building as if to jump, turns to face his parents, aiming a pistol at each of them. He just stares them down for a full 2 minutes, then says "You never listened", then quickly turns one of the pistols on himself and blows a hole through his head, the body falling to the street below with a cinematic zoom in of his face, a single tear falls from his eye just before impact.
Fox News went ballistic when Mass Effect had PG-13 sex scenes. If that actually got made into a game, the media circus that followed would cause game developers to never try to push the envelope again. That being said, it wouldn't make a bad movie, but fearmongerers would turn the fact that it was a game, into a reason for it to be banned.
You are right but at the same time no one will ever push the envelope if no one tries to do so. You have to confront people like this head on; are they going to suggest books that deal with controversial subjects be banned just because it deals with ccontroversial subject matter? You have to be able to ask the question "Why are games treated differently from books or movies? What is it that prevents games from being considered art?"
Khell_Sennet: I want the next "Postal" title to be what "Bully" should have been. I want a game where a geeky kid who has been pushed around his whole life SNAPS, brings a pistol to school and starts hosing the bullies who ruined his life. Then, when the police rush in, have him cap a cop, steal his shotgun/smg and body armor, and continue the game as such. At the end of the game, after its progressed through the school, a library, city park, mall, and finally an office building, I want a cinematic finale of the kid on the roof of the office tower, his parents flown in via heli after the last boss fight... The kid stands on the edge of the building as if to jump, turns to face his parents, aiming a pistol at each of them. He just stares them down for a full 2 minutes, then says "You never listened", then quickly turns one of the pistols on himself and blows a hole through his head, the body falling to the street below with a cinematic zoom in of his face, a single tear falls from his eye just before impact.
Fox News went ballistic when Mass Effect had PG-13 sex scenes. If that actually got made into a game, the media circus that followed would cause game developers to never try to push the envelope again. That being said, it wouldn't make a bad movie, but fearmongerers would turn the fact that it was a game, into a reason for it to be banned.
You are right but at the same time no one will ever push the envelope if no one tries to do so. You have to confront people like this head on; are they going to suggest books that deal with controversial subjects be banned just because it deals with ccontroversial subject matter? You have to be able to ask the question "Why are games treated differently from books or movies? What is it that prevents games from being considered art?"
The fact that gaming is new. Simple as that. Film was seen as less than art when it was first introduced, and games will have to go through the same period.
TheNecroswanson: Not any worse then the drugs people feed their kids because they're "too uncontrollable and hyper", or those bastards who raise their children on coffee and family guy. If anything Khell's ideas will only be guilty of being informative and educational, even artistic. Games are a new form that people need to understand shouldn't be scapegoated, and beleive it or not messages can be delivered through them. Fox news went on a tirade that mass Effect told kids to rape based on one man's words, who eventually retracted the statement. How influencial would it be when in a video game a kid shoots himself because his parents never listened. Sometimes morals have to be removed to create results.
I agree that this game will have a very strong message but the kids raised on sugar and Family Guy won't see that, they would see a kid running around and killing his bullies. While having the kid (lets say age 14) kill himself would shock any adult gamer, I don't think an immature idiot would feel the same. Hell they might find it funny.
If the kids raised on sugar ignore the strong message and only buy the game (illegally) for the fact that they are killing the bullies...well if they are ignoring the message what is stopping them from ignoring the outcomes of the characters action. What is stopping them from ignoring any of the messages expressed in the game?
Any message you send is never seen by others as you see it. Some people will see this game as a message that murder is ok. For teenagers against bullies at any rate. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that games "make kids evil" and I am against television raising but you can't say that this game will not affect kids. Or it at least those who live on sugar and cartoons.
I would buy this game, and I would push its meaning but I would still feel like this game may be a bad thing for kids.
I also think that the Media will feel the same, maybe more so. We have all seen the Mass Effect story on fox; imagine what will happen when this game is brought into the public eye? If it ever is made I would be very surprised.
Games are in a rut, anything expected to be good has been pushed back over and over, and what we've been left with isn't even good enough to roll into a Katamari. The FPS in particular has hit what could be considered a mid-life crisis, but he can't fix it like we would; divorce his wife for a slutty blonde and buy that sports car he always wanted...
What FPS gaming needs most is to break away from the carbon-copy cloning and try something new. My suggestions:
-Female player characters. Perfect Dark is the last true FPS I can recall where you didn't play as a mute soldier-dude of some sort. Womans-Lib crap aside, it might be nice just to mix it up a bit.
-Unambiguous back-stories and main character dialog would be nice. I for one have had my fill of games where caveman grunting was the extent of the main character's vocabulary. It's become a running gag, much like Morn from Deep Space Nine. Everyone speaks to him, but he never speaks back. This isn't the Commodore-64 era with AD-Lib sound and 5 1/2" floppy discs, I want some gods damned voice acting. Duke Nukem and Lo Wang were the most vocal FPS characters ever, and their games are STILL epic.
-Some original firearms please. Digital entertainment is not bound by that retarded contract that keeps the US military from using non-Colt firearms, I don't want to see another M-16 or Colt Commando for at least five years (Historic games aside). The firearms choices are tired, lets mix them up... No more M1911 pistols, no more Uzi or Mac-10 SMGs, and no more gods damned miniguns. Miniguns don't exist as man-pack weapons, never did, never will, there simply isn't a way to carry enough ammo for sustained use. Last item to mention, who's idea was it to put Crossbows into every fucking FPS possible? The crossbow was a mostly-failure weapon in its own era, and complete fraking slag today.
-New and interesting locations? Just a thought, but I've had my fill of brown castles and underground lairs, and historic games aside, I won't go near another bombed-out city. Lets try POPULATED cities... Or how about something set in Japanese pagodas, a Tibetan temple, Greek ruins, the forests of British Columbia, or the mountains of Slovenia? Not to mention some other, more "controversial" areas... Schools and the Vatican come to mind... Pope-Hunt III, make your way through the catacombs under Rome and battle Nazi-Pope in his secret chambers.
I'll add more as I think them up, but what are your ideas or beefs with FPSs?