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Copy Clerk  Posts: 100 Joined: 22 Apr 2008     | |
Copy Clerk Posts: 90 Joined: 7 Dec 2007 | from a purely critical point of view GTA4 is all kinds of awsome updating the aged system, adding awsome dynamics and a new physics system. all the while it stays playable and fun while not being too easy or too difficult. being the start of something new they only kept everything to a minimum. Rather than biting off more than they could chew, rockstar did a relitively good job by taking a step back and perfecting a small part which can then be added on to. the streets feel alive and vivid, and the world just looks and feels full. you can walk into a back ally and it will be cluttered with garbage and have a hobo sleeping in the corner and just look so awsomely good that you are wetting yourself. pushing or tripping a person makes them realistically fall over and the world some times can go on having things happen with absolutely nothing to do with you. police will chase down criminals that arn't you, taxi's will pick up people off the street, and people will go buy food from venders if you simply watch them long enough. i am sure we will see the massive clothes, vehicals, and customization menues we had on previous GTAs, but i feel it better to have them take it out and perfect it before they added a non-perfect part to the game. From a Gamer point of view, it just doesn't come up to snuff with the way it was going. it feels like a massive step back from GTA 3 just so R* could add in some snazzy new graphics and physics. and since a lot of us hardcore gamers are all about core game mechanics, just because that water has perfect reflections or that guy bounces off your hood realistically means little and loses its flavor rather quickly when a lot of successful things of previous versions where removed. Fixed winged aircraft there are so many things i wanted to be in the game only to find out that they are not in the game. i did the vigalante missions and most wanted missions under the impression that like in the old ones, i'd bet given some body armor at my safe houses and/or some perk to my body armor rating only to realise that it does absolutely nothing but give you a small little nod that you achieved something. and the story was alright, up untill the 3 leaf clover mission. the fact that most of the missions only paid 1000 bucks was awesome, exspeically when most of the weapons cost 1000-5000 bucks. even the 1000 dollar suits which where required for several of the later missions was awsome because i acctually had to pay attention to my budget, and the story driven by the 'you have no money' just feels right... then i did the bank job missions and i am sitting on 250,000 bucks constantly. i max out the reservers of all of my weapons, buy everything in 'persus' 'mondo' and the russian store and i am still over 200 thousand dollars... the whole 'i need money' angle goes down the drain as i now have more money than i know what to do with, and very little to do with the money i have. no longer am i doing the missions to get money, i am doing the missions simply to progress the story, which quickly gets boring because the entire game looses its motivation. |
BANNED  Posts: 102 Joined: 1 Mar 2008  |
These are all valid points and yours is an opinion I can respect. But some of the people in this thread criticizing haven't even played the game - they even admit to that and go on talking! These are just as bad as those fanboys that say X game is going to be "better than X other game" before it's even come out. I know they're probably just trolling, or are 14 years old, but I'm amazed this hasn't been called out yet. The reasons you stated are why GTA IV will not, for me, last several months like the previous one did. In SA, I didn't even finish the main storyline, there was that much to do outside of it, but in this one I will, and then I'll probably stop playing shortly after. I still think it's awesome though. If anything, I'd criticise SA for having too many distractions, and it causing me to never see the end of CJs tale. It's down to personal taste; I prefer shorter games and you prefer longer ones, and as long as we can both say what we liked and disliked about the game and give the reasons why that's fine. A lot of people here need to get out of the discussion about a game they haven't even played, and come back when and if they ever give it enough of a chance to for them to form a valid opinion (and even then I'll bet some will be so determined to dislike it they will never admit it if they secretly found some aspects of it enjoyable. Not all, but some.) I'm speaking from experience. I used to be that black-Metallica-top-wearing, ponytailed, scowling 14 year old that hated on everything that was popular, whether I myself actually liked it or disliked it, because I was so above what the ignorant masses were into. Then I grew up. User was banned for: Zero Punctuation: Mailbag Showdown. (Permanent) |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 104 Joined: 21 Dec 2007   |
I was all set to bash GTA4 myself. Until I actually played it, its actually rather good. Out of the 3d GTA games my favorite was Vice City. The bright 80's aesthetic kept the mood closer to the tongue-in-cheek sensibility of the earlier games, when 'realism' had nothing to do with how much fun you had. Times have changed, and while GTA:SA completely failed to stimulate me in the way GTA:VC did (and boy did that game take itself seriously, relative to the previous GTA games, despite the ludicrous criminality), GTA:4 has come back strong with the in-game humour, and a new engine, which allows a greater degree of interactivity...or at least gta-ness. Still no Krishnas for me to GORRANGA as of yet. |
Paperboy Posts: 23 Joined: 9 Nov 2006 | As to indigo's original post, I see three groups of people who dislike GTA IV. Many of them are the "popular = shit" crowd and for that very reason will just never like the game. A second crowd is the "it got a 10 on xyz.com, therefore it cant be any good". Their enjoyment of the game is entirely determined by a number on some website, and they will constantly argue that it cant be a 10 because its not perfect, and this is their only point. To them I say get over it, and never eat at a "5 star" restaurant, stay at a "5 star hotel" and start writing the olympic commission about never giving another 10 score from any judge ever. A quick aside, of the list above Attack helis are around(just uncommon), Mini(friends) missions do give bounses(cheaper on demand weapons, dropping wanted with a phone call, etc), and parking spaces in front of every safehouse will save your cars making garages nothing more than an extra building with a door(there are a couple in later missions, but I never tested if they work as car saves). And on many missions if you kill without a gun (knife, bat, or fists) the mission is different and will not alert anyone to what you did. The rest of your points are entirely true though! The third group are the reasonable ones, who like the game but dont love it, and typically dislike certain features, or simply hate the game for their own reasons. Poor driving control I have my own list of pet peeves with the game. The friends during the story line can get annoyingly needy. I ignored them for the last 1/3 of the story line, and now im building them back up, and its not really bad at all now, since they arent calling evry day wanting to go bowling. Second for me is the cover system can be too sticky at times. If someone rushes you its hard to come off cover and kill them because its so sticky. Lastly, multiplayer needs to have its own menu set and not kick you to the SP game when you leave a MP game. Those were the only 3 real annoyances i had, and they are far from game breaking to me. The driving controls I got the hang of in about 3 hours, and its not really that bad. Once I stopped trying to handbrake everything and got some of the nicer cars its actually pretty easy to get around. In fact last night during some multiplayer freeplay, I grabbed a banshee, shot out all 4 tires, and drove around for a good 20 minutes on rims trying to run down my friend just to play. Anyway, ive had more fun with GTA 4 than most other games. I dont care about the scores or other people's opinions of some mechanics in the game, for me its juts plain fun. And multiplayer free roam with some good friends is the best time ive had with a video game in years. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 391 Joined: 31 Oct 2007   |
This pretty much sums up my thoughts after reading this thread too, oooo look what a little non conformist I am, I'm so cool I can toss obtuse allegations and generalisations around and people will think I'm edgy and clever. The game was not perfect but it was a great experience, rockstar poured years into this game and it really shows, the scope of it compared to any other title on the current gen of consoles is just huge, seriously name me anything currently out which is bigger/deeper? There are of course flaws, the aiming has been much maligned and it does have some issues when people get too close to you however the driving which i originally found tricky actually feels much more intuitive and realistic with a little practice, you can't just throw it at a corner and punch the hand brake anymore it actually takes a little skill. Paul has been one of the few people in the thread to actually list intelligent gripes and most of these are omissions which were in SA Fixed winged aircraft and a couple more I would add; Hydraulics Most of these were added in the 3rd generation of that game with that engine, I'm very interested to see if they will re-appear in the subsequent GTA's on this engine, also hopefully there will be more open countryside again, yes it could be very irritating trashing your car in the middle of nowhere however being able to call up a cab or a helicopter like you can from Roman and Brucie should largely eliminate that problem. Also my brother and I had a big debate about this V's Saints row for cars with him saying you should only have to collect a car once and then be able to spawn them in your garage however personally I think this devalues the super cars. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 102 Joined: 14 Apr 2008 |
I was thinking this would be a good idea for a money sink. You could actually PURCHASE a car and it would permanently spawn in one of your parking spots. A Blista could be something like 4500 whereas a Turismo would be 100 000. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 90 Joined: 7 Dec 2007 | i know about the annilator, and really i don't think of it as an attack helicopter. i mean it is a massive downgrade from the apache in GTA:SA. the machine guns on the thing are pathatic it is like the P51 in SA... the least they could of done is made it shoot RPG rockets for crying out loud... military grade items is more pointing out that there is no tank, no Army truck, no National guard, no fighter jet (harrier) and everything of that catagory. although i do like that they omitted National guard because i felt that they where not really all that good... the complete removal of all things military just kinda makes me die inside. they could of at least added some sort of military APC Armored car, LAV like vehical with a freaking Machine gun on it!! like a bullet proof stryker with 50 cal, or an LAV-25... have it control much like the fire truck. |
BANNED Posts: 102 Joined: 1 Mar 2008 | Guys do you know of a location where I can find a Comet? I never ever see them driving round, even whilst I'm in another sports car to try to make the game spawn similar cars, and I managed to roof the one I got from Bruce's first race. I loved the handling of that car and the game is being really mean about spawning them. User was banned for: Zero Punctuation: Mailbag Showdown. (Permanent) |
Paperboy  Posts: 36 Joined: 6 Apr 2008 | It's mediocre and that's it. Good for a laugh, but quickly gets dull, just like every other Grand Theft Auto game. |
BANNED  Posts: 502 Joined: 3 Jan 2008 |
You call GTA 3 mediocre again and I'll do something to your nuts! Nah, it's just that the game was a total revolution at it's time, there isn't anything mediocre about it. GTA 2 rocks too, the bullets fly so slowly that you can dodge them. User was banned for: Zero Punctuation: Mailbag Showdown. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2307 Joined: 10 Mar 2008     | I don't get why people are so angered up by some "perfect" 10/10 scores and why people are even going around saying that GTAIV sucks and they're trying to convince us this. For me, GTA4 is a solid game. It's not perfect for me by all means, infact one of my pet peeves about this game is that the targeting system is really annoying me. It switches to people i don't want to aim at when i just want to aim a little to the left and all sorts of wacky things. It's like what Yahtzee said, you're all afraid that IGN or Gamespot or any other game site that reviewed GTA4 with a 9.5 or higher will ignore your claims of GTA beaing complete suckage. I do agree whole heartedly about the graphics and the corner of "gritty and realism" is getting out of hand as my friend has constantly bothered me to "raise the contrast/brightness/saturation! I can't see a thing!" at which point I just leave it at that setting. Also, I find myself switching between my other games and GTA4. I play it for a while and then move to another game and go back. I guess it's a game good for short bursts (for me atleast) and a good laugh with my friends when Niko goes flying out of his car at 15mph after hitting a small curb in a Hummer They're just score people, it's what they think. It all comes down to personal preferance. |
Paperboy  Posts: 43 Joined: 6 Mar 2008 |
While I wont admit to trying to "convince" others, you have to understand for us who arent interested in GTAIV (or GTA in general) people who like GTA are doing the exact polar opposite of what you said above. Like I said earlier, I was personally insulted by some of the bold suggestions that GTAIV was the best game of the decade. As someone who looks back at the late 90's as a time where many fantastic games were released, I feel the need to argue against that suggestion (not that Im accusing anyone here of saying that, as to my knowledge no one has, thankfully). You're right, its about personal preference, for or against. As long as people have their reasons, I dont believe either opinion has any more weight than the other. |
Beat Writer Posts: 180 Joined: 12 Apr 2008  |
I don't know of a single website that rounds up or down, probably because any place worth anything uses a decimal system. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1237 Joined: 23 Dec 2007     | I really, really liked this game. Best game of the year so far, with only a few minor nitpicks to point out. That being said, I like the direction the game went in terms of tone and narrative, and there was still mayhem out there if you wanted to find it. I found the narrative and its commentary on the nature of modern violence to be absolutely compelling playing, especially as you as the player take twisted pleasure in going on shooting rampages. Even the 'girlfriends' have been altered to make them less about being caricatures and more about being real. The nitpicks pale in comparison (moving from behind clumsy at times, tress etc.) when you consider the great leaps forward the game has made not only for the series but gaming in general. I think this game sets the benchmark in terms of narrative excellence and self-referential irony (was done in Bioshock, but that's not the point!). All the characters seems well drawn (who hasn't met a Brucie?), with certain aspects played up for effect. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 90 Joined: 7 Dec 2007 | yeah, if you compare This to GTA3 Liberty City then yes, this is leap and bounds better and a massive improvement over the vanillia GTA3. however people often don't compare it to just that, they will compare it to the last installment which was San Andreas. although technically an expansion of the orginal, it perfected a lot of things allowing for a whole sandbox of play you could say that R* is following the same road and other instalments which will be basically expansions will slowly add and perfect the game even more. i mean, maybe they left out the rhino because instead of making the tank instantly blow up anything it touches, they make it Run over and crush anything in its path... in game if you ever take a patriot and drive it against a low profile vehical you will acctually climb up on it and drive over it. basically... maybe that is what they where shooting for, but couldn't perfect it in time so just left it out... |
Muckraker  Posts: 248 Joined: 10 May 2008 |
uhm, no, a game that achieves a 9.7 should be given a 9.7, there is a reason there are some decimals in there, its because you should Not round it up, and Yes, 10/10 = Perfect Score, it cant get higher. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 60 Joined: 11 Apr 2008 |
Have you even played it for more than a few minutes? When I got this game I wasn't expecting anything great, like how Halo 3 was a letdown of epic proportions (I've played it twice... once through the story, and once online before retiring it to its dusty spot on the shelf of games I stopped playing), but I was sorely mistaken. You owe it to yourself to play it through at least once, I find almost everything vastly superior to the previous GTAs. If your going to spew hatred, at least let it be founded hatred, have a reason to dislike other than "I hate it cuz everyone else does! HUUUURRRR!!!". I haven't played a game with a story that good in a very very long time. I know this post is 2.5 pages late... but whatever. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 190 Joined: 9 Dec 2007 | the fanboy wars of 08 :) on topic the reson that so many have atempted to bitch slap gta with there cocks is because they had suck high hopes for it , and thanks to magazines, these hopes where wiped up to a point at witch no game could possibly ever match up to (unless it is viva pinata). it is a littel thing i like to call "hype fever" and so when gta didnt teloort hookers in to the room all the fanboys started to packege up there mail bombs. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2307 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 |
I do agree with many of the things you said. In my opinion GTA4 is not the best game of the decade, as the decade has not ended yet. I do love GTA but who knows what could come up next? Besides, every game is a revolution in their own way really. Call of Duty 4 was a small revolution in how war can be lifelike in a game, Ratchet&Clank was a small revolution for introducing mindless blowing up in a Platformer with RPG like elements to weapons, and GTA4 is apparantly a revolution in sandbox games. Also, I can not stand people who say a game sucks when they've never played it before. I will personally slap you if you say a game sucks when you have never played it yourself. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4828 Joined: 30 Jan 2008  |
And for things that don't give decimals? |
Copy Clerk Posts: 102 Joined: 14 Apr 2008 | Why are people so hung up on the review scores? I mean, if the reviewers thought it deserved a 10/10 based on their reviewing criteria, then that's what they'll give it. This "perfect" bullcrap is ridiculous. Obviously, the critics who gave it 10/10 don't think it's a perfect game, they think it is "Masterful" according to IGN. Maybe by your criteria 10/10 would be defined as a perfect game but seeing as there will NEVER be a perfect game, some reviewers figure it to be pointless. I didn't hear so many people complaining when LoZ:OoT got 10/10. It also seems to me that many people who are criticizing the game haven't gone through and given it an actual playthrough which somewhat invalidates your opinion. I've played the game through to the end and, whereas, it doesn't score a 10/10 in my books, it's still one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences I've had in a while. The bottom line is that GTA4 will not do anything any other game won't do. It won't make you have some sort of epiphany or reach nirvana or anything. It is just a fun game. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1510 Joined: 7 Mar 2008  |
yeah hype fever kills a lot of things, one of the best examples of it was the star wars prequels, everyone over hyped it and thought things were going to be so much different and didn't live up to what they thought or their childhood rose coloured memories of what the originals were like. sadly i think the new indy movie will suffer the same fate, which is why i don't listen to the hype of stuff gta iv was a good game but if you hype stuff up it will never live up to it. it is a vast improvement so far over gta:sa |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 10 Joined: 12 Apr 2008 |
There are three billboards advertising it on the fifteen minute walk to my work... it was pretty hyped in England. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 214 Joined: 5 Mar 2008 | Theres 3 reasons why people call GTA and games shit. 1 - They can't get it In my own opinion GTA 4 was a great game 2nd best of the series behind Vice City.. as they left alot of stuff out that would of being nice.. The story is more deep that one might first percieve especially the fact that you make moral choices taking a page right out of the book of games like Bioshock. In terms of it being hyped... Thats not really true, its just the fact that when a popular game comes out it means that it must have been hyped, really.. there was not much marketing and word of mouth.. (well in the UK at least) well not many were talking about it. Instead they just knew it was coming and the fact GTA is a great series, basically sold itself. However.. we will always have those who sayings it shit.. to over-hyped, mainly the 3 types of people i listed.. Most of them seem to be the kind of people who think that popular games are rubbish as come on they have to be right! everybody else is buying them! (Ahh my British Sarcasm) so instead they relax in their underground, nobody nos what games i play, which makes me the best! So i'll just tell everybody else their game sucks, before it even comes.. out. I mean comon people get a life, play these games xD your missing out on them. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 730 Joined: 9 Jan 2008  |
I'm gonna go straight ahead and assume you haven't played GTA IV for more than 5-6 minutes. It's nothing to be ashamed of, you are just obviously missing a lot of new features. Perhaps you should look at the People as they flop through the air. Thats called Euphoria, the car physics, the attacking system the STORY (Best bit of the game). Seriously, this game is golden and you think it's crap why? There is no aspect of this game you can attack without having another aspect redeem it, other than telegraph posts and trees being stronger than a car ARGH! |
Personally, I thought that the driving control was the best I've ever used in a GTA game. Turning at high speeds is smooth and easy, and leaves a satisfying skid mark. I seem to be in the minority though.