OK...we all know this game is getting good reviews by basically every reviewer out there. being called a masterpeice, artistic, better than a lot of $50 Wii games, original, the best Wii Ware game, Okami-like, etc.

yet Gamespot gives it a 5.5 out of 10? And what are their complaints?

1) The camera sucks.....um....it's a 2D platformer! you have two options, zoom in and zoom out. How in hell did that give you problems?
2) the wii controls....er....how? Really jumping in the wrong direction? You just push the way you want to go. It's not difficult at all.
3) not a full game.....no duh! It's a $10 game. Did you expect a 50 hour RPG?

I say if this game was paid for advertisement, it'd get a better score from them. Kind of like how Kane and Lynch did hence why they fired the reviewer who gave it a bad score to make the dev happy.

Yahtzee called SSBB shit and we thought he was cool even if it got great reviews.
Gamespot calls Lost Winds shit and you think it's uncool since it got great reviews.

Hypocracy?

All media including reviews are aimed at a certain target group. In Gamespot's case it is aimed at people who mostly care about gameplay and guts. Besides, they often give "creative" games good reviews.

No, I'm not yelling because of a review. I'm yelling cuz I think that gamespot get paid by devs for review scores an an indy developer didn't have the money. There are good reasons to ding a game and then there are stupid reasons that are blatantly false/cover-ups.

Do you really think that every review they post is the result of a bribe? They give lots of smaller games good reviews. And to be honest I call bullshit on the whole Kane & Lynch controversy. Gamespot is just as valid as any other review site in my eyes.

It's the same deal with Total Recall for NES. Acclaim threatened to take off advertisements because of that review and caused a bunch of chaos. Gamespot takes bribes.

And when you CHANGE YOUR REVIEW after the dev gets angry at you, you lose all credibility.

The only reason we could believe they take bribes is speculation, even after he was fired Gerstmann never publicaly called Gamespot out (as far as i know), leaving me to believe that either he signed a non-disclosure act or he got fired for valid reasons. Since the first option seemed unreasonable to me I therefore assume that he got fired for surfing porn on the job, or something like that.

Also, if you dont hold them as credible, why do you care?

@ VRaptorX

That may be the case, but are you still being paid? Yes? Then I, personally wouldn't care less. The love of money is the root of all material products I own.

sammyfreak:

Also, if you dont hold them as credible, why do you care?

Because if one person in any sport takes bribes it looks bad for the whole industry. Gamespot doing this crap makes every gamer look bad.

VRaptorX:

sammyfreak:

Also, if you dont hold them as credible, why do you care?

Because if one person in any sport takes bribes it looks bad for the whole industry. Gamespot doing this crap makes every gamer look bad.

???

Gamespot maybe takes bribes, so that is why the mainstream media dislikes us so much. DAMN YOU GAMESPOT, DAMN YOU.

I highly doubt that anyone who doesn't care about videogames even knows what kind of site Gamespot is.

Dude, you're getting too worked up about this. Maybe Gerstmann was fired for his review, maybe he wasn't. We just don't know. However, I would ask this- if Gamespot were bribed by Ubisoft to publish a positive review, why did they publish Gerstmann's less than glowing review instead? You can't accuse a publisher of buying scores when the score given was average. If Gamespot fired Gerstmann for his review, why did they post it in the first place? It makes no sense.

I'll say again, we just don't know. Gerstmann has said nothing on the matter. If Gamespot want to rate Lost Winds as a poor quality game, then so be it. What I've seen of it doesn't exactly wow the pants off me. You haven't got any justification for your rants against Gamespot other than "It's a conspiracy, the devs are buying them all out!" And I'm sorry, but you're going to have to do a lot better than that.

Whilst I doubt this is the result of foul play, it does bear mentioning that the lowest score given by anyone else for LostWinds is 8/10.

Every other review praised the controls, and the value for money the game represents. Gamespot, apparently, are just flids who can't use a Wii properly.

It's a review.

It's an opinion

It's someone elses experiance with the game.

Pick which ever one you like the best.

Why the hell should you care if Gamespot game Lost winds a 5.5 out of 10?! This is turning out to be exactly like what Yahtzee said, you're all afraid that these people will ignore you to death.

IT'S JUST AN OPINION] you shouldn't give a shit about someone elses opinion about a game, if you enjoy the game then why should you care?

Frank Provo (8 years with Gamespot) quit one month after the whole controversy and stated that "I believe CNET management let Jeff go for all the wrong reasons. I believe CNET intends to soften the site's tone and push for higher scores to make advertisers happy."

So apparently even the reviewers think Gamespot takes bribes.

So I will say it again, if the dev paid for more advertisement, the game would have gotten a better score.

And as far as I'm concern, Yahtzee can say whatever he wants. He's a comedy reviewer. The whole point is he is suppossed to nitpick, make fun of people and give horrible scores. That's what he does best, like the Angry Videogame Nerd.

And I already said why I care, I believe this is evidence of their questionable buisness ethics and thus makes the whole gaming community look bad.

VRaptorX:
Frank Provo (8 years with Gamespot) quit one month after the whole controversy and stated that "I believe CNET management let Jeff go for all the wrong reasons. I believe CNET intends to soften the site's tone and push for higher scores to make advertisers happy."

So apparently even the reviewers think Gamespot takes bribes.

So I will say it again, if the dev paid for more advertisement, the game would have gotten a better score.

VRaptorX:
And as far as I'm concern, Yahtzee can say whatever he wants. He's a comedy reviewer. The whole point is he is suppossed to nitpick, make fun of people and give horrible scores. That's what he does best, like the Angry Videogame Nerd.

And I already said why I care, I believe this is evidence of their questionable buisness ethics and thus makes the whole gaming community look bad.

Did you really need two posts to address more than one idea? Keep it in the same post next time, and for the love of god, read this post!

Thanks.

actually no, I just forgot about the edit button. Sorry about that one. And me and spell check never go along well. As long as you understand what word it's meant to be there shouldn't be a problem. Technically only the first and last letter have to be correct for your mind to comprehend it. Hncee why tihs sntecene mkaes snese.

Jumplion:
It's a review.

It's an opinion

It's someone elses experiance with the game.

Pick which ever one you like the best.

Just to pick this up. That's not what a review is at all. A review is a recommendation whether to purchase or not purchase a product. Part of it is opinion, but professional reviewers should attempt to achieve some level of professional detachment, because they may be called upon to review a game outside of their normal purview of gaming taste. I, for example, do not like football games, but if it were my job to review one, I would attempt to judge it on it's merits as a football game, rather than give it a low score because I do not like football games.

VRaptorX:
actually no, I just forgot about the edit button. Sorry about that one. And me and spell check never go along well. As long as you understand what word it's meant to be there shouldn't be a problem. Technically only the first and last letter have to be correct for your mind to comprehend it. Hncee why tihs sntecene mkaes snese.

There is such a thing as 'Making an effort'.

VRaptorX:
actually no, I just forgot about the edit button. Sorry about that one. And me and spell check never go along well. As long as you understand what word it's meant to be there shouldn't be a problem. Technically only the first and last letter have to be correct for your mind to comprehend it. Hncee why tihs sntecene mkaes snese.

Three people are sitting at a table trying to have an intelligent coversation, one's tongue is semi-paralyzed.

well gamespot do kiss large amounts of ass if the publisher is famous enough (hint* age of empires 3)

Boo friggin' hoo. A game you like gets a crappy score. People care way to friggin' much about hyped games and their scores. Anyone remember the 8.8 fiasco and the lunatic Zelda fanboys crying for blood?

Joeshie:
Boo friggin' hoo. A game you like gets a crappy score. People care way to friggin' much about hyped games and their scores. Anyone remember the 8.8 fiasco and the lunatic Zelda fanboys crying for blood?

Except, of course, this game hasn't really been hyped, and Gamespot's criticisms of it are not mirrored in any other review (or are directly contradicted by every other review). Which casts doubts on the competence and professionalism of the Gamespot reviewer.

GloatingSwine:

Jumplion:
It's a review.

It's an opinion

It's someone elses experiance with the game.

Pick which ever one you like the best.

Just to pick this up. That's not what a review is at all. A review is a recommendation whether to purchase or not purchase a product. Part of it is opinion, but professional reviewers should attempt to achieve some level of professional detachment, because they may be called upon to review a game outside of their normal purview of gaming taste. I, for example, do not like football games, but if it were my job to review one, I would attempt to judge it on it's merits as a football game, rather than give it a low score because I do not like football games.

Well obviously, if you don't like sports games then you would proably say "this is a game mainly for sports fans. If you don't like sports games then don't buy this" or something of that matter.

And obviously, in gaming review sites such as IGN and Gamespot they would most likely give the game for someone to review to someone who likes that certain type of genere. They're not going to give an FPS to someone who hates FPS's and absolutely thinks that RPGs are the best games in the world.

The genere all depends on the person who likes the certain types of games. It is just an opinion.

Joeshie:
Boo friggin' hoo. A game you like gets a crappy score. People care way to friggin' much about hyped games and their scores. Anyone remember the 8.8 fiasco and the lunatic Zelda fanboys crying for blood?

QFT

GloatingSwine:

Joeshie:
Boo friggin' hoo. A game you like gets a crappy score. People care way to friggin' much about hyped games and their scores. Anyone remember the 8.8 fiasco and the lunatic Zelda fanboys crying for blood?

Except, of course, this game hasn't really been hyped, and Gamespot's criticisms of it are not mirrored in any other review (or are directly contradicted by every other review). Which casts doubts on the competence and professionalism of the Gamespot reviewer.

thank you.

any way...what Zelda game got an 8.8 that everyone got upset about?

VRaptorX:

GloatingSwine:

Joeshie:
Boo friggin' hoo. A game you like gets a crappy score. People care way to friggin' much about hyped games and their scores. Anyone remember the 8.8 fiasco and the lunatic Zelda fanboys crying for blood?

Except, of course, this game hasn't really been hyped, and Gamespot's criticisms of it are not mirrored in any other review (or are directly contradicted by every other review). Which casts doubts on the competence and professionalism of the Gamespot reviewer.

thank you.

any way...what Zelda game got an 8.8 that everyone got upset about?

Twilight Princess.

Jumplion:

Well obviously, if you don't like sports games then you would proably say "this is a game mainly for sports fans. If you don't like sports games then don't buy this" or something of that matter.

Well, no, that would not be an adequate review of a sports game. When reviewing Sports Game X you would be comparing it against it's direct competition and the rest of it's field. Anyone interested enough to read your review probably already wants a sports game, you are telling them whether to get this particular one. You are not making a purely personal value judgement in a review, you are attempting to provide information on which others can make that judgement for themselves..

GloatingSwine:

Jumplion:

Well obviously, if you don't like sports games then you would proably say "this is a game mainly for sports fans. If you don't like sports games then don't buy this" or something of that matter.

Well, no, that would not be an adequate review of a sports game. When reviewing Sports Game X you would be comparing it against it's direct competition and the rest of it's field. Anyone interested enough to read your review probably already wants a sports game, you are telling them whether to get this particular one. You are not making a purely personal value judgement in a review, you are attempting to provide information on which others can make that judgement for themselves..

Though one question comes to mind, why would you review a sports game if you don't like sports games to begin with? It's like with Yahtzee, he doesn't like fighting games but he says that if you like the serieses then just go buy it.

I'm not saying a whole entire review is an opinion, but most of it is. It's the persons experience with a game, only he/she is paid to professionally tell people to buy a game or not. They do take in consideration of fans of the series/genere/franchise but that is why they usualy say (in my experience) "If you're a fan of *insert series* then you might enjoy this game. For others though, it's a pass" which would make more sense for what you would say.

But whatever, it doesn't really matter. no matter what we do Lost Winds got a poor 5.5/10 from one game review website. It will totaly decrease the Lost Winds sale.

I think gamespot lost they're credibility, maybe they dont take bibres, maybe they do , but he fact....the real dilema is why give such a low score is 10 dollar game, 54 mb what can you possible get, if that review was a subjective opinion the i dont care i wont make me bad ....but the dilemma is that websites like gamespot should give a proper review to the game with an objective opinion so that we as gamer know if its worth buying ....yathzee is aņother case he is a joker the point of his whole review is to trash the game with funny remarks about how it works and then if you want ...you decide if you want to check it out. i wouldnt put yathzee as an incredible reviewer but a funny one indeed. About lostwind i think its an nice piece of game and im hoping to buying it

Gloating Swine is pretty much dead-on, and at this point i have to believe that Jumplion is just being deliberately obtuse. It's NOT just an opinion, which we could get from any retard on the internet. Reviewers are professionals -- or are supposed to be -- and people rely on them as an aid in figuring out if a given game is worth their hard-earned money. The only way you could not understand this is if you get all your shit for free, or if you willingly blow money on games at the drop of a hat.

Jumplion is sidestepping the argument entirely. He says it's an opinion, then backpeddles into saying "well, not really. Kind of. But it's also the person's experiences". Which, in this case, involves having a problem with the camera control in a FUCKING 2D GAME.

Protip: there's more to reviewing than just giving one to a fanatic of a genre and letting him jizz out accolades. Or, at least, there's more to it than that if you're not a PR rep.

But yeah, this "credibility" bullshit is way overrated, man.

Ends up there is new info after checking the board. Apparently the person who reviewed it was an intern.

I find it very annoying when people complain about the score that is given to a game. It is just one persons opinion on the game, which makes it pointless to argue.

chaostheory:
I find it very annoying when people complain about the score that is given to a game. It is just one persons opinion on the game, which makes it pointless to argue.

The problem is that a bad score amongst otherwise good scores hurts a game's overall score on aggregator sites. Another issue is that professional reviews aren't supposed to be opinions. They're supposed to be objective assessments of a game's overall value. Now, it's almost impossible to not have personal opinion seep in, so it's acceptable to a certain extent. The thing is, when everyone says it's a good game and then there's one person who doesn't, that one person's credibility must be called into question.

VRaptorX:
Ends up there is new info after checking the board. Apparently the person who reviewed it was an intern.

Still, just goes to show that reviews are all bullshit. It's one or two peoples opinion. Who cares what some one esle thinks about a game. All anyone needs, to form an opinion of something, is downloadable gameplay footage. But my thanks to the op for bringing this atrocity to light.

Gamespots (New ones, AND Kevin) reviewers really have no idea what the hell they are talking about, don't visit that site.

NotPigeon:

The problem is that a bad score amongst otherwise good scores hurts a game's overall score on aggregator sites.

Sorry for the heavy editing, but I really just wanna discuss thin one point.

Are you saying that a reason to score a game high is to avoid lowering it's overall score. Should a reviewer refrain from sacking a game that everyone else seems to like, just to "go with the flow" or whatever you wanna call it?
Or have I got it all wrong?