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Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 658 Joined: 26 Mar 2008     | |
Muckraker  Posts: 230 Joined: 17 May 2007   | Hmm. Not sure. I do tend to play with my housemate, and one of us will always have the player[1] account. I can't say I've noticed much betrayal. There was one game of Team Slayer which descended into a betrayfest, but that was because the opposing team dropped out except one player, who was hiding. After minutes of everyone shooting each other, which the other two guys on our team started by the way, I got kicked out for team-killing. But hey, that might have been accidental, since the "Boot player?" screen came up every time we killed each other by this point. I've only really had one jerk really go feral on me. He was raving into his microphone and killed me once for my sniper rifle and once for my Mongoose (!) - I took great pleasure in booting him. That was a while ago. It might be a demographic shift, as a lot of people move on to other games, leaving a higher proportion of griefers and dickheads. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 666 Joined: 14 Dec 2007  | One of the reasons I only play CoD4, and never on hardcore mode. Bottom line? People are dicks. On that note, AHHHH! Halo 3 thread! Run for the hills! |
Beat Writer  Posts: 191 Joined: 14 May 2008   | some people are dicks online. fact of life. move on. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 873 Joined: 22 Jun 2008   | *looks around for shatnershaman* |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 658 Joined: 26 Mar 2008 |
Ah yes, the old sniper rifle betrayal. The weird thing about the "boot player" option is that every time it has appeared it was when someone accidentally killed me (and was apologizing profusely). When I do want to boot a player it's nowhere to be found. The common thread so far seems that all this comes with the territory, but I swear it wasn't always this bad. Oh well, I'll just continue to beat down the d1ckheads who do it. |
Muckraker  Posts: 266 Joined: 20 Jan 2008 |
So, I'm not the only one that's happened to. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2864 Joined: 29 Nov 2007    | Betrayals suck. Especially when it's asshoels kiling you for the flag.... If they wanted it, they should have lept through the window, melee'd two guys to death and melee's three more on the way out. It's annoying when a perfect flag run is ruined by YOUR OWN TEAMMATES. |
Beat Writer Posts: 191 Joined: 14 May 2008 | Maybe you notice more assholes when playing co-op because you're forced to play unranked matches and you're more likely to be matched up with other people's unexperienced friends and little brothers who are also playing co-op, possibly for the very first time. In competitive ranked games, you're not going to run into that type of nonsense. Unless you catch me playing drunk... then all bets are off. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2358 Joined: 8 May 2008  |
has happened to me too. Whilst plaing griff ball soemone on our team was mercilessly killing everyone on our team, and then smack talking. I don't like halo 3 much. or XBL. PC games are nice, you can ask the admin to ban the guy. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 755 Joined: 6 Jun 2008   | WTF is wrong with people? (on Live, not you guys) What you should do is file a complaint. Don't remember who it was? Well Halo 3 has the most awesomely useful tool, the saved film. Complaints actually work, people who get many complaints filed against them are given warnings then temporary bans and eventually, permenant banishment. (and just so you know if someone files complaints very often they're regarded as suspicions and their complaints are monitored to see if they just meet lots of dicks or are bullying) If enough people do this we may eventually expunge the betrayer filth from our beloved online community (levels of belovedness may vary from player to player). |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2146 Joined: 20 Dec 2007 | Odd, maybe it's because it's deep into the summertime and now even more dicks have gotten time off work and such. Also, XBL NEEDS DEDICATED SERVERS OR SOMETHING! That way there will be more order in the online world, and less lag. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 103 Joined: 18 Mar 2008 | My younger brother's friend shares an XBL account with his older brother who has a temper about an centimeter in length. I've played games with him that result in him getting mad and killing everyone he sees. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 658 Joined: 26 Mar 2008 |
Oh man I hate that! Seems I'm not the only one. That happened to me on Avalanche; I flew the Mongoose over the man-cannon, through the window, grabbed the flag, rocketed back, walked the whole map, dropped the flag periodically to shoot down some enemies only to be betrayed as I was about to walk into our base. The dude took the flag and ran it up the spire to score while I lay there waiting to respawn!
That is a very good point! The few ranked matches I have played were quality, no gamesmanship, no talking in the lobby, I was amazed. All the players had headsets but no one said a word. Magic. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1111 Joined: 29 Dec 2007 | Worse is when people distroy a car because thay wanted to drive, then whine when we get plasma raining from the sky. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 124 Joined: 28 May 2008 | Yeah, depends on the betrayal. I play with my brother a lot, but he's never had that happen to him. The only time we've experienced betrayal is because we have a weapon someone else wants, or are in a vehicle someone else wants. Other than that, the only betrayal I see is when me and a friend are playing and we'll get bored cause we're either winning hard or definitely losing, and start smacking each other around for fun. We always play on the same teams, but once in a while, you wanna kill your friends. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 137 Joined: 2 Jun 2008 | never happened to me , but its just a game, life goes on. maybe it was nobunaga? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3kf-jrKidg&feature=related |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 83 Joined: 26 Apr 2008 | Ha, nobunaga, great stuff (4PP ftw) Anyway I have pretty much dropped out of Halo, but while I did play it happened a few times but not very often. I actually find all the screaming kids and team killers to be entertaining, me and my friends all get together and try to get a reaction out of those screaming kids all the time, its like a hobby. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 79 Joined: 11 Jun 2008 | eh after i got all the achievements i just play custom games now... not as orderly but way more controlled |
Paperboy Posts: 41 Joined: 24 Jun 2008 | Team killing so someone else can score the flag? Check. I've noticed this and other kinds of immaturity on Live (actually on any online multiplayer, but especially on Live) enough to have a new personal rule. I will only game with someone I'd sit down and have a beer/wine/soda for the youngin's with. It may sound horribly elitist, but I think I understand why the player base in Live can act so immature much of the time. Connecting into Live is so easy, any idiot can do it. The 'buy-in' cost of online gaming on XBox Live is virtually naught. This is true of all of the consoles, of course; I just bought my technophobic elderly mother a Wii with games and she figured out how to get it up and online with no help in no time flat. However, the 360 has the most machines in field at present, as well as a library of competitive shooters which appeal to twitching adolescents. If it were more difficult, well, less immature stupids would be doing it. Just as bad money drives out the good, bad behavior drives out respectful behavior. I'm convinced I'm not alone; mature players find others they like and keep it within their own circles, leaving others to deal with the screaming Halo kid. What I've really, truly failed to understand is why female gamers get treated so poorly. Honestly, I just decided to filter down to people I like for gaming, but the player base seems misogynistic at best. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2960 Joined: 24 Apr 2008  | The dicks are just more noticeable by default on XBL a little caution and a little sense and they're not a problem. |
Muckraker Posts: 230 Joined: 17 May 2007 |
Ugh, yeah. I haven't experienced that much, but when I do I tend to leave the game. (Experienced second-hand, that is.) Same with overhearing gamers refer to people as "fags" - can't stand it. I have been guilty of anti-prejudice recently. I was complaining to my friend about a young boy who was jabbering on constantly in the background of a game of Halo 3, until my friend pointed out it was a girl - another player had just called her "Susan". And I said "oh, if it's a girl that's ok." And then I realised I didn't know why it should be okay for a girl if it was so annoying coming from a young boy. Acknowledging it didn't change anything though: I was still happy to assume that the girl was saying things worth hearing, whereas the imaginary male tween would have been talking crap and needed to be euthanised. Oh, and uhh, team killing sucks. Boo hiss. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 65 Joined: 6 Jun 2008 | Betrayals are annoying, but then again Halo's online community is full of dicks. I would often betray guests though, as people consistently bringing guests in would sometimes seperate me from my friends who I wanted to be on the same team as. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3374 Joined: 14 Jan 2008  | When I play halo I am normally with my brother and we are both epic players (it's uncommon one of us wont get MVP) I have heard people screaming that a guest got MVP before but nothing worse. I dunno I don't seem to be betrayed that much on H3 |
Beat Writer  Posts: 128 Joined: 3 Jan 2008 |
Definitely agreed on all the points you made. The unfortunate thing is that you can play 30 games with no incident, and when something like this happens, and it really sticks in your mind; not the great gameplay you had before then. The female gamer thing is pretty rough, but you have a large number of young kids with no filter or consequences for acting like a tool. I think the only way to push change are to continue to report them for lewd behavior and not allow yourself to be baited. I think it's always going to be there in some form, but if you mute them and no one responds, a good number of them are bound to get bored and stop. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1224 Joined: 18 Sep 2007  |
I fixed it for you. No need for thanks. -- Steve |
Beat Writer Posts: 208 Joined: 19 Feb 2008 | Two Betrayals... |
Anonymous Source Posts: 7 Joined: 24 Jun 2008 | Probably because all the Halo fan boys have realized how hopeless their cause is when compared to COD 4 (just check the ratings). |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2756 Joined: 8 May 2008 |
I did there both a 94. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2215 Joined: 10 Mar 2008    |
Actually, CoD4 wins because of a higher reader rating :P |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2756 Joined: 8 May 2008 | COD4 is multiplatform. Halo 3 is a big 360 exclusive. your going to get reviews like this on exclusives. Neo Mr.smith gave it a 1: L. G. gave it a0: Buddhika M. gave it a1: http://www.metacritic.com/games/usercomments.jsp?id_string=6232:11s9Y0gOzqbtyC2Ix6U$eA** |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3374 Joined: 14 Jan 2008 |
Well alot of these people have seen the tiny nit-picks on the internet and blown them up 1000 times. Makes me think they have never played it. but can that be possible?!? |
Muckraker Posts: 244 Joined: 25 Feb 2008 | I've been killed by a teammate on a flag run directly after i killed 7 or 8 people(not sure wether or not the last one survived the grenade or not, aleast he didn't shoot back) The idiot then fails to pick up the flag and lets the enemy get it. Then he starts bitching at ME that i suck. Halo 2 pc version. I don't have an x360 and subsequently no halo 3 but i imagine the situation is exactly the same over there. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 124 Joined: 28 May 2008 |
A agree with this. I was actually gonna start a topic on this sort of thing, but I got lazy. Plus I figured "meh, it's probably been done to death". I really think it has a lot to do with the fact that nowadays, kids really don't appreciate what they got cause they never played the stuff that led up to it. I mean, I remember when I was a kid growing up playing the NES back when it was THE system to get. But back then, when my friends weren't around playing, I'd think "Man, how cool would it be to be able to play with people from their houses." Then technology got better, we started being able to talk over computers more easily, we started finding games that we could play over the computers with each other, and even though there was no voice communication at the time, it was a good time. So now that we've finally reached this place where you can just turn the console/PC on and "bang" you're connected to your friends just like that, I appreciate it, and thus don't treat it as an excuse to act like a douchebag to strangers. When I was invisioning it as a kid, I always imagined people meeting each other, having laughs, saying "hey good game", and talking tactics when playing as teams. Unfortunately too many people use it just to satisfy their inner asshole and feed a part of their ego. They use it to display a racist or sexist side that they wouldn't show if you were in person. I too prefer to play with friends, or at least people who are generally having fun and joking around or whatever. You know, people with more humor and less pride. I'm glad the technology's there now, but it sucks how a lot people choose to use it. But hey, that's humanity for ya. |
I don't know if it's just me but I've noticed an increased amount of betrayal happening when playing Halo 3 on XBL (and I'll preface all this with I am not a bad player, I'm not outstanding but I get MVP now and again). In fact it's happened so often I've noticed a pattern. It seems that there are players targeting team mates who are sharing the same X360, i.e. player[1], player[2] etc.
I don't have a XBL account yet so I often use my brother's and when it's just me on there, no dramas personally (although I have noticed other team members beating on each other at times). If I'm playing at the same time as my bro, obviously I am the duplicate named player, all of a sudden I get randomly attacked by my own team. I had one guy from the get go follow me around and occasionally melee me in the back of the head (not an insta-kill in H3, although it should be). As he wouldn't kill me or would only kill me once, I couldn't weild the hammer of ban on him. Eventually he went away after he got the business end of my shotgun to his face at close range. Three games later, different jerk, same result!
What I'd like to know from you guys and gals out there is have you come across something similar? Is there some unwritten law to target the people who are duplicate players (i.e. not l33t enough to have their own account)? My theory is that these losers equate the fact that I don't have an account to me being a n00b or unskilled as it doesn't keep a record of my kills, awards, etc.