shatnershaman:

BallPtPenTheif:

shatnershaman:

BallPtPenTheif:

ironically though, some developers are now developing for the PS3 as the primary sku because

The Almighty Valve do not.

which is fine since their game engine is underdeveloped to work on bottom end PCs in order to appeal to the mass PC market. their games don't even need the extra CPUs.

I just said it because Valve is Jebus in these forums.

John Carmack has more coding skill in his thumb than Gabe Newell ever will sorry to say, he makes engines that even turned down look great and run well

heck the almight valve had to borrow their engine for their games from the almighty Carmack

Tell it to Yahtzee not me. (P.S the guy has lost his touch then because the quake games have really gone down hill)

cleverlymadeup:

BallPtPenTheif:

Microsoft gambled on accessibility, which is why the Xbox's PC-type architecure benefitted from so many quick PC game ports.

actually the 360 uses the powerpc chips that apple macs used before their switch to intel chips.

the ports take a bit because they do have to switch architecture but m$ did make some nice tools for that

that statment you quoted from me is in regards to the original Xbox. the 360's chipset was more difficult to program for but its workflow still followed the logic of PC game design.

the PS3 architecture is built more like a rendering work station where processing is outsourced to the SPUs

shatnershaman:
Tell it to Yahtzee not me. (P.S the guy has lost his touch then because the quake games have really gone down hill)

tell that to your hero Gabe cause he was drooling over what the Carmack had done, when nvidia wants to make a new chipset, they talk to John not Gabe

also i do believe Yahtzee was rather critical of hl ep2 and tf2, tho he did like portal and portal wasn't developed by valve originally

cleverlymadeup:

shatnershaman:
Tell it to Yahtzee not me. (P.S the guy has lost his touch then because the quake games have really gone down hill)

tell that to your hero Gabe cause he was drooling over what the Carmack had done, when nvidia wants to make a new chipset, they talk to John not Gabe

also i do believe Yahtzee was rather critical of hl ep2 and tf2, tho he did like portal and portal wasn't developed by valve originally

I don't even like Valve sheesh I'm the Halo guy remember just saying Valve doesn't like the PS3. I don't care what engine hes making Quake Wars still sucks balls. (It seems like a lot of the games are using unreal does id own Epic? (I really don't know I haven't paid attention))

I dont dislike them, they just make me laugh with there efforts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2w2l1JTs4

How can anyone take them seriously after this!!!

Stubee:
I dont dislike them, they just make me laugh with there efforts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2w2l1JTs4

How can anyone take them seriously after this!!!

Thanks thats hilarious. Riiidge Racer!

I think the reason why I can't stop laughing is that very same E3 conference. I don't hate Sony, they're just an endless source of giggles.

Sony: We're taking gaming to the next level! We've overclocked this bitch like you wouldn't believe!
Sony Fanbase: Woooohooo!
Sony: We'll have Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII someday!
Sony Fanbase: Woooooohoooo!
Sony: Our system...get this...you're gonna piss your pants...is only $600!
Sony Fanbase: ...

Guys at the Wii booth, playing WiiSports: Dude, did you hear the PS3 is $600?
Guys at the XBox 360 booth playing HALO: AWRIGHT YEAH MUTHAFUK--Oh damn, did you hear the PS3 is $600?

shatnershaman:

Stubee:
I dont dislike them, they just make me laugh with there efforts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2w2l1JTs4

How can anyone take them seriously after this!!!

Thanks thats hilarious. Riiidge Racer!

It's ridge racer! Riiidge Racer!! lol.

Technically, the PS3 would only be $400 (about the same as Xbox360 forgot which version) but everyone concentrates on the $600 which still bugs me.

I don't hate Sony, but their crap customer service was the reason I bought a 360 this generation instead of a PS3. I begrudgingly bought 3 PS2, because they kept getting DRE's & Sony wanted to charge me 3/4 the price of a new one to fix them.

I still miss some of the games that are exclusive to Sony, which is more reason to "hate" them this generation.

This may seem ironic since the 360 is notorious for the RROD, but I can only speak from my experience & my 360 is still working fine, compared to my PS2's which lasted about 6 months before failing.

Also their really pretentious marketing is another reason to dislike them. I could just about handle "The Third Place" but 4D Graphics, WTF?

Jamash:
This may seem ironic since the 360 is notorious for the RROD, but I can only speak from my experience & my 360 is still working fine, compared to my PS2's which lasted about 6 months before failing.

Yeah, i've heard storys of that before. Usually i just assume it's bad luck, but the last time my PS2 went dead all I had to do was open it up and dust it off and after that it worked like new.

And keep in mind that it's fallen off my table/desk a couple of times before AND had things thrown at it in frustration.

cleverlymadeup:

Hamster at Dawn:
IMO, Sony shouldn't be trying to steal all the ideas Microsoft and Nintendo come up with.

ok that right there this is a wrong statement, m$'s corp policy has been to copy ideas from other ppl and "improve" on them. i could pick a handful of things that ppl say are inovative from m$ but have existed in the ps1/2 or the nintendo systems well before that

so please don't say they copied, cause frankly everyone copies off of everyone else, especially m$

For Hells Sake, Microsoft did not invent the concept of Unique Play Points. It was around years earlier in the Ratchet and Clank series. MS stole the idea first!

Jumplion:

Technically, the PS3 would only be $400 (about the same as Xbox360 forgot which version) but everyone concentrates on the $600 which still bugs me.

Yea well they said "We don't cut corners" that $400 has no PS2 BC,Memory card readers,a SIXAXIS controller, and no HD cables. The good 60 GB is only on EBAY and its been inflated to $600.

EDIT: My PS2 broke after 1 year. Bought second one then traded it in 2 years later along with the cube.

Jumplion:
Technically, the PS3 would only be $400 (about the same as Xbox360 forgot which version) but everyone concentrates on the $600 which still bugs me.

And let's also take into consideration that they announced this in front of an extremely large conference of reporters and gamers alike, so when Sony said "It's only $600" as if it were some kind of game-winning dealbreaker, everyone and their grandma heard "The PS3 is $600."

I personally plan on buying one shortly for about $500, so it's not like the price is any concern of mine; I just wanted to wait until the PS3 had games that would warrant plugging it in.

Jamash:

This may seem ironic since the 360 is notorious for the RROD, but I can only speak from my experience & my 360 is still working fine, compared to my PS2's which lasted about 6 months before failing.

My 360 only broke once, and that wasn't RRoD. Someone dropped it and when I turned it on the motor on one of the cooling fans died, so it would overheat after brief use. Of course, since I was wise and got Best Buy's 2 year product replacement plan I was able to trade for the newer and better pro model.

So, I'm happy mine broke. You people that get RRoD need to take better care of your 360's. Stand it up and put it in the open, maybe put a fan near it to improve circulation or just keep the room cooler. (I'm surprised those of you who get broken 360's more than once don't hypothesize that you are doing something wrong).

JakubK666:

ElArabDeMagnifico:
OK well that's a little ridiculous though, just because the majority thinks something is better doesn't mean it actually is. Remember when almost all of Germany thought Hitler was awesome? Popularity of [something] =/= Quality of [something]

GOOOOOOOOOODWIN'S LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!

LOL, I didn't even catch myself - still I never saw anything wrong with Nazi analogies, they are good at getting the point across. I always tend to compare military forces to the SS and point out similarities and things like that so I guess I'm a prime example of Godwins Law, unset argument or not.

ElArabDeMagnifico:

JakubK666:

ElArabDeMagnifico:
OK well that's a little ridiculous though, just because the majority thinks something is better doesn't mean it actually is. Remember when almost all of Germany thought Hitler was awesome? Popularity of [something] =/= Quality of [something]

GOOOOOOOOOODWIN'S LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!

LOL, I didn't even catch myself - still I never saw anything wrong with Nazi analogies, they are good at getting the point across. I always tend to compare military forces to the SS and point out similarities and things like that so I guess I'm a prime example of Godwins Law, unset argument or not.

To quote Caboose "I hate that stupid law."

Eldritch Warlord:

(I'm surprised those of you who get broken 360's more than once don't hypothesize that you are doing something wrong).

They get refurbs not new ones.

shatnershaman:

I don't even like Valve sheesh I'm the Halo guy remember just saying Valve doesn't like the PS3. I don't care what engine hes making Quake Wars still sucks balls. (It seems like a lot of the games are using unreal does id own Epic? (I really don't know I haven't paid attention))

ummmm quake wars wasn't id, another company made it, the last id game to come out was doom 3

Indigo_Dingo:

so please don't say they copied, cause frankly everyone copies off of everyone else, especially m$

For Hells Sake, Microsoft did not invent the concept of Unique Play Points. It was around years earlier in the Ratchet and Clank series. MS stole the idea first![/quote]

i know it was in ratchet and clank, i mentioned it earlier, i'm pretty sure another game did it before but r&c was out before the 360 was

ut had the "rampage" type verbal awards but nothing in game really

Eldritch Warlord:

Jamash:

This may seem ironic since the 360 is notorious for the RROD, but I can only speak from my experience & my 360 is still working fine, compared to my PS2's which lasted about 6 months before failing.

My 360 only broke once, and that wasn't RRoD. Someone dropped it and when I turned it on the motor on one of the cooling fans died, so it would overheat after brief use. Of course, since I was wise and got Best Buy's 2 year product replacement plan I was able to trade for the newer and better pro model.

So, I'm happy mine broke. You people that get RRoD need to take better care of your 360's. Stand it up and put it in the open, maybe put a fan near it to improve circulation or just keep the room cooler. (I'm surprised those of you who get broken 360's more than once don't hypothesize that you are doing something wrong).

You make a very good point. After having 3 PS2's fail on me I'm much more careful with my 360 than I ever was with any of my PS2's. I use to play them for hours, days even, also in a very smoky atmosphere, when I was at uni, so it was probably my fault they failed but I was too stoned most of the time to realise or attempt simple maintenance.

cleverlymadeup:

ummmm quake wars wasn't id, another company made it, the last id game to come out was doom 3

Still don't like Doom 3 and they let someone else ruin Quake.

Here is my rant on the whole thing:

Wireless Controllers: I know that this isn't a very big thing...but I can say every company even Nintindo stole this idea...from...Atari! That's right...Atari did do a wireless controller...if that isn't a good thing to say every company is stealing their idea nothing is.

Playstation 3: I have one...I like it but I don't like the slowness in some games and also the long update times...that's it really. I can't find anything wrong...I laugh at people when they say it overheats...I have mine below my tv in a nice big space and I only get a little warmness which I enjoy on a cold day...I ask them and they go quiet and tell me to shut the **** up. Though I have to say the PS3 has a thing saying it will last for at least 10 years...one thing I can be happy about.

XBox360: I don't have it but I have played it and I like it...the controller is a little to big for me and the buttons get hard to get used too but I enjoy the thing anyways. I never did Live or anything so I dunno about that but I just like the thing...If I could buy it I would and would buy loads of games for it but I just don't want the whole will break down and give you the red finger of death.

Nintendo Wii: Never played it but the fact it's named after something we all give out when we drink too much puts me off there and then. Yes it has good games but then I don't want to discover after playing it I have to pay for the stuff I broke as I frantically waved my arms and legs about to play it right.

I couldn't care at all if people copied each other...as long as they made it good and not something that deserves Yahtzee then I can let them off...Microsoft copies people! Nintendo copies people! Sony copies people! That's the truth and if you can accept that then your a fanboy even if you say your not...I also don't mind the whole amount of games for each console. Yea you don't get many games to play on but at least you know that through time games will come out and if your able to wait then that's a good thing. If you don't like waiting and then you complain about buying the wrong console in the future then why the hell didn't you buy it then! Sometimes it grates me and then sometimes it doesn't. I've read most of this thread and sometimes people make sence. Every company has made mistakes so what? doesn't mistakes give them the knowledge that they did something wrong and can work to make it better.

Also I see the whole the companies don't care about people....that's because the bosses don't...that's why they make departments about Marketing and safty and all that so they don't have to care about them...they pay others TO care about the people. Don't blame the company...blame the fat money obessed big shots up there in their overpriced luxery homes smoking real money off their tusk tables and talk to people on their 2000 dimond incrusted phone.

I have a couple things to say.

First. I like Playstations (my name says it all). The original Playstation was my first console (I'm 15).

People- "Sony is just copying and making it better"

And that's what everybody does! If nobody did it then we would have one console with rumble, one with motion sensor, one with online, one with achievments, one with duel anolog, one with hard drive.

And then if you have to decide between Xbox 360 and PS3. The differences are minor at most (except games). What would you do if it was like this?

Xbox 360- online, achievments
PS3- online, rumble, duel anolog
Wii- online, motion sensor

People- "Sony's Home is like the Wii's Mii Channel"

They're just trying to make it look like Sony is ripping somebody else off.
To me it looks a hell of a lot more like the Sims.

People- "The PS3 has to many glitches"

I've had my PS3 over a year. How many times has it broke down or done ANYTHING wrong?
NEVER!
My cousin has had his Xbox 360 over a year. It's broken down to many times to count.
For more opinions watch the ZP's Console Rundown, Yahtzee goes to GDC, and several others when Yahtzee mentions the problems with the Xbox 360.

People- "The PS3 is to expensive"

Have you looked at the recent prices? Yes it was way to expensive when they relesed it but how much have the prices gone down.

People- "There were so many rumors surrounding the PS3"

I never heard ANY! The only thing I heard about the PS3 was that it was going to be expensive.

And don't get me started on the rumors around the 360. I'll tell you one. I don't know if you heard this but everybody where I lived heard it. Goes like this.

Person 1- The Xbox 360 is going to have a hard drive so you can't tell places that rent games you have one.
Person 2- Why?
Person 1- Because when you put in a game once it reads the WHOLE thing so you never have to put in the game again because it's on the hard drive.

I call Bullshit on that.

There.

I'm done.

Now I will let all of you who disagree start quoting me and cussing me out and telling me how I'm wrong and I don't gave a crap.

PS3fanboy:
words many words

Nah your good.

PS3fanboy:
Now I will let all of you who disagree start quoting me and cussing me out and telling me how I'm wrong and I don't gave a crap.

so far so good, don't jinx it!

Didnt Sony fire a good part of their employess in their parking lot after amerge?Read it in a gaming magazine...thats the reason I dont like them

Onimus:
Didnt Sony fire a good part of their employess in their parking lot after amerge?Read it in a gaming magazine...thats the reason I dont like them

What the hells amerge? You mean a merger? Yeah, I think downsizing is a cruel practice too, but face facts mate - thats the world we live in now. I would call bullshit on someone saying that any multinational company (in any business - mining, food, clothing, you name it) has not gone through downsizing at some point.

But I do doubt it would be "a good part of their employees", thats not the common practice, unless you are the acquired company.

cleverlymadeup:

John Carmack has more coding skill in his thumb than Gabe Newell ever will sorry to say, he makes engines that even turned down look great and run well

Not really a surprise since Gabe isn't really a coder but a producer at Valve. That being said, if I were to pick between Half-Life 2 or Doom 3, I'd pick the former in a heartbeat. Doom 3 and its descendants really aren't games "that even turned down look great and run well".

Indigo_Dingo:

cleverlymadeup:

Hamster at Dawn:
IMO, Sony shouldn't be trying to steal all the ideas Microsoft and Nintendo come up with.

ok that right there this is a wrong statement, m$'s corp policy has been to copy ideas from other ppl and "improve" on them. i could pick a handful of things that ppl say are inovative from m$ but have existed in the ps1/2 or the nintendo systems well before that

so please don't say they copied, cause frankly everyone copies off of everyone else, especially m$

For Hells Sake, Microsoft did not invent the concept of Unique Play Points. It was around years earlier in the Ratchet and Clank series. MS stole the idea first!

But that's not the idea we're talking about. The idea is a universal high score that all the platform's games add to. And as far as I know, MS really did do that first.

As for my reasons of Sony hate:
- draconian copy protection schemes
- bullshit advertising that's poor taste
- downright cockiest of the three ("PC Dead, Nintendo For Kids, We Innovate"...um, yeah)
- screws over Europeans (heftier price tag, less features)
- they seem to spend an awful lot of time ridiculing their competition while trying desperately to become like them

And my reasons for PS3 dislike:
- The capability to install Linux, but you can't access all the hardware
- A general lack of interesting exclusives
- The fact that us Europeans don't even have an option to get a PS3 with PS2 BC
- The European PSN seldomly ever gets updated
- We haven't yet really seen anything technically that's impossible on the competition

As for folks complaining about kids screaming into the mic in Xbox Live, there's a mute button and you also have the option to switch to a channel that only has your friends in it. In general the whole experience on the 360 is more unified, but Sony seems to be getting there with ingame XMB and the new store. I am interested in seeing how MS answers this, since we didn't have a spring update, which hopefully means we'll be getting some new stuff as well. Like a new dashboard (hopefully).

Oh, and typing MS "m$" really stopped being funny at around 10 years ago.

Woe Is You:

Indigo_Dingo:
For Hells Sake, Microsoft did not invent the concept of Unique Play Points. It was around years earlier in the Ratchet and Clank series. MS stole the idea first!

But that's not the idea we're talking about. The idea is a universal high score that all the platform's games add to. And as far as I know, MS really did do that first.

Yes, but Microsoft only made, it as you said, universially known. Games had achievment-like awards that unlocked in game stuff instead of just adding a number to a bigger number. Hell, an example would be some of the Jak games, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, Ratchet and Clank series (took me forever to beat the impossible challenge) and a slew of other games that rewarded out of style gameplay. The point is is that M$/MS didn't invent the idea as most people like to think they just made it slightly more mainstream.

that's the only thing i can think of that is innovative. The controller is not innovative as i've seen an episode of "Game Makers" on G4 Rewind about the history of the Xbox (original) and when the first announced the console some people thought the controller was too big so as the interviewee said (forgot his name, i think he was one of the lead designers of the Xbox) that they took the Playstation controller design and made the original controller slightly slimmer. So that can't really be innovation.

Couple more things that i'd like to mention as i had an apiphany last night.

1. People: "Sony doesn't give you the HD cable with the console!" And why would they? Many people don't have HD televisions so why would they waste money packaging HD Cables for people who won't even use them. For example, my friend doesn't have an HD TV so the cable would be useless.

2. "Sony is arrogant and stupid! Nintendo is the one that wants to have fun and M$/MS is the one that occasionaly gets drunk and pisses everywhere!!" That's ironic as you're bashing Sony for being arrogant but not Microsoft even though they get drunk and piss everywhere. But as some people have said, the Gamecube made Nintendo humbler and i'm not sure about the Xbox/Xbox360, but i guess it's Sony's turn to learn from their mistakes. Besides, they're doing much better than they were in 2006, you can't argue with that.

Damn, another short list. Whatever.