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Alphavillain: Sony, MicroSoft, Apple, and the rest are all corporate monoliths who want to make money by selling cool stuff. One is not better than the other. One is not cuddlier and more caring than the other.
totally
with the level of personal rhetoric being thrown around, you'd think that Sony and Microsoft were the asshole neighbors next door and not corporations consisting of thousands of people.
the tooth fairy doesn't exist and corporations want as much of your money as possible any way they can get it. sorry to bumb out all you idealists.
Woe Is You: [ I did not. I said that it's a universal high score that takes all the games you play on the platform into account. That I said is the innovative part. No system had really done that before.
still copying an idea someone else had
cleverlymadeup:
yeah weekly updates to the store is never
I said "seldomly". And I admit I forgot the word "worthwhile". If you check the stuff Japan and the US gets, the Europeans get the shortest end of the stick by far. Unless you're really that into Pixeljunk wallpapers and Spiderman trailers.
can't take it back now, you're just trying to justify someone proving you wrong
But can't anymore. By the way, has the BC games list been updated recently?
i don't really pay attention to it, hey has the 360 one been updated? oh yeah they aren't anymore
metal gear solid 4 and uncharted. metal gear alone, if possible to directly copy would be 10 dvds
I'm not seeing anything that impressive in Uncharted techwise. It's colorful, bright and pretty, yes. Some of that visual glory is marred by amazing amounts screen tearing and lack of AA, though. I'm sure Epic could do that if they weren't so obsessed with their idea that realism means brown.
As for MGS4, the game's split nicely into acts (with install breaks... surely you can switch a disc during that time) and takes around 33GB according to news outlets. There's a lot more that goes into porting of course, but it doesn't sound like an impossibility techwise. And no, it wouldn't be near 10 dvds (where'd you pull such a figure from anyway?).
yes there is a few installs during the game, however the 10 dvd figure comes this way
1 not all 360s have hard drives 2 microsoft doesn't allow games for hard drive only games 3 they can't do any hard drive install 4 they must have all the textures and such on the disc and not compressed like you can if you have a hard drive 5 even if you could do hard drive only it would still be at least 6 discs 6 it would be a totally gimped version
as for uncharted there are a lot of other small things that the game does that makes it look and act better, i never noticed an over abundance of brown playing thru it. also the colours do happen to go with tombs and the inca and such, who happened to like to use clay and things that were brownish in colour
at least you can install linux and without ruining your console, you can no longer use live if you mod your 360
And the OS you get is crippled and next to useless. All the people I know that have it installed rarely use it for other than to showcase how it plays their favourite SNES games.
yes and they are still developing stuff for it, at least it's not questionably legal like modding the 360 is
Yes, they've been pretty cocky recently (with all the rumours swirling around their own Wiimote copy, perhaps it's better not to claim the Wii is just a fad), but nothing really tops the cockiness of Sony ridiculing MS's way of handling BC and then going that path themselves. Pot, kettle, black?
you do know that m$ was saying 100% backwards compatibility and then totally removed any reference to it, the xbox live staff were forbidden to even mention it and if a person did we were told the change the subject asap
at least their exclusives are just that, most 360 exclusives appear on the pc 6 months later
Okay, there are plenty of reasons not to like the 360 (RRODs on pre-Falcon boxes, noise) but this reason is a bit silly.
well why spend $400 on something that has a high rate of failure to play one or two games that will appear on the pc a couple months later? that's not very smart
Both are Microsoft platforms. That being said, a lot of people I've noticed using this excuse are the same people saying that PC gaming sucks, because it costs and it's not just pop the disc in and play. So if you happen to be one of those people, you might as well consider those games 360 exclusives.
ummm the pc isn't their platform, apple, linux, unix and a few others are all considered a pc, windows is their platform
I also have to note that games like Gears of War and Viva Piņata aren't designed for the PC in mind and it really shows when you try to play them there. I'd rather play them on the platform they were designed for. That being said, PC is my gaming platform choice, since I still haven't gotten any Witchers or 4X games for the console. KotOR was close, Mass Effect I felt was a step back.
ummmm you do realize they have coding kits for doing cross development with the 360 and the pc right? so it's very easy to move it over, they have to change a couple ppc specific things
Oh, and I forgot another pet peeve with the PS3 that's pretty recent: mandatory HD installs. That's actually a step back from the Atari 2600 days.
actually it's not, see loading stuff onto the hard drive decreases load times. hard drives have a lot higher read/write speed than a disc does, especially when you have a large, up to 50 gig, disc.
i showed my friend dmc4 on my ps3, he saw it start to load and then his jaw dropped once it loaded in the seconds it takes
I use my PS3 and 360 pretty much the same. There are 3 games worth playing now: MGS4(PS3), MGO(PS3) and BF: BC(360). Other then that the both of them are useless now a days.
As for the companies: Both Microsoft and Sony never really invented anything did they? So stop using that argument against the consoles and/or the companies.
Personally, I believe it to be because the ps2 was on top. Sony was the arguable ruler of the last generation, and their toated egos showed it. They were quite pompous about many things, though this isn't unusual for companies of that nature. it's the business model. but considering they were on top, it's ever so much fun to try and put them in their place. no one but fanboys like the ruling party to toot their own horn.
i see nothing wrong with the PS3 or sony. I just don't have the money.
haha yeah i meant a merger.My spacebar is messed up and i never bother to check what i write. "With the Aug. 5 completion of the deal that created Sony BMG, all eyes are waiting to see how the merger will achieve the new company's goal of $350 million in savings from, among other areas, cutting more than 2,000 jobs. " Thats a quote from a site.i cant find the magazine where i found the original article.
Onimus: haha yeah i meant a merger.My spacebar is messed up and i never bother to check what i write. "With the Aug. 5 completion of the deal that created Sony BMG, all eyes are waiting to see how the merger will achieve the new company's goal of $350 million in savings from, among other areas, cutting more than 2,000 jobs. " Thats a quote from a site.i cant find the magazine where i found the original article.
and Microsoft was the 1st company in the tech industry to use temp. employees for permanent positions, reshuffling, laying off and re-hiring them when the temp. period expired. now this is an almost standard practice for every technology company in order to avoid paying for health care.
thanks Microsoft.
but all of that has nothing to do with the quality of either console.
Okay, this is the last post into this thread, I swear. I want to listen to some IOSYS for a change. :(
cleverlymadeup:
Woe Is You:
I did not. I said that it's a universal high score that takes all the games you play on the platform into account. That I said is the innovative part. No system had really done that before.
still copying an idea someone else had
I already established that high scores and unlockables go way way back before the last gen era. Are you saying they copied their current implementation of it? From where?
As for your "MGS 4 takes 10 dvds argument", Kojima also claimed that MGS4 doesn't even fit the whole disc. I would take his claims with a grain of salt. This is the man that claimed the game won't even fit a BD, and then there's this. I also have to point out that the textures are rarely the problem with these sorts of games, but rather the huge volume of sound files (especially since this is MGS we're talking about). Sound can be compressed, though, without resorting to any lossy encoding.
Summed up, I'm not really buying that porting MGS4 would be impossible. Some changes would have to be made, sure, but that happens with porting anyway. Would multiple discs be a problem if it were one per act? Not much more than an install that takes minutes between acts.
Speaking of porting, yes, I do realize that they have crossplatform coding kits, but so much more goes into porting a game from PC to a console (and vice versa) than just porting the code. There's control schemes, different setups, possible graphics and audio changes to worry about. At least you usually worry about this while doing a good port. If you don't, you'll end up with crap ports like Gears of War on Windows or Universe at War on the 360.
And the PC is pretty much Microsoft's domain. BSD/Linux/Mac OS X/Minix/Insert-OS-Here are all small fry compared to the fact that ~85-90% of PCs have Windows on them. I would also delve into OEMs, but... whether or not the PC is Microsoft's domain really has nothing to do with the topic, since to play all the recent games you'd still need a Microsoft OS. Wine/Cedega can only catch up so fast.
100% BC? I don't remember them promising anything of the sort. I did see them promising support for their most popular games, which was basically just Halo/Halo 2. They were pretty upfront about using emulation, which to just about anyone tech savvy should mean that the support will never be on par with actual hardware doing the job.
Frankly, the thing that is peeving me about the BC is that Panzer Dragoon Orta crashes at level 3 with their BC and that's the only game aside from Psychonauts and Soul Calibur 2 that I actually want to play from old Xbox games. And I bought PDO and Psychonauts because I missed them the first time around.
And yes, they've been slow with their updates lately, but I'm not really seeing any point to quitting now that they're selling Xbox Originals that run on top of emulation. If they did quit, then yes, I admit it was a dumb move.
actually it's not, see loading stuff onto the hard drive increases load times.
And oh yeah, you can't take this back now. (Me using juvenile argumentation tactics? Never!)
The conclusion I'll just draw from this is that the difference between Microsoft and Sony is that the 360 is offering games that I want to play. DR-DOS/The Lik-Sang case are both proof that the companies are willing to go to pretty draconian measures for the silliest of reasons. But the fact is... that there's not enough RMS in me to resist a good game.
Onimus: haha yeah i meant a merger.My spacebar is messed up and i never bother to check what i write. "With the Aug. 5 completion of the deal that created Sony BMG, all eyes are waiting to see how the merger will achieve the new company's goal of $350 million in savings from, among other areas, cutting more than 2,000 jobs. " Thats a quote from a site.i cant find the magazine where i found the original article.
and Microsoft was the 1st company in the tech industry to use temp. employees for permanent positions, reshuffling, laying off and re-hiring them when the temp. period expired. now this is an almost standard practice for every technology company in order to avoid paying for health care.
thanks Microsoft.
but all of that has nothing to do with the quality of either console.
Ehh, its not outside of human nature to refuse the product because of practices surrounding it, I mean, look at The Gap and Nike, and the child labour thing.
As for your "MGS 4 takes 10 dvds argument", Kojima also claimed that MGS4 doesn't even fit the whole disc. I would take his claims with a grain of salt. This is the man that claimed the game won't even fit a BD, and then there's this. I also have to point out that the textures are rarely the problem with these sorts of games, but rather the huge volume of sound files (especially since this is MGS we're talking about). Sound can be compressed, though, without resorting to any lossy encoding.
Summed up, I'm not really buying that porting MGS4 would be impossible. Some changes would have to be made, sure, but that happens with porting anyway. Would multiple discs be a problem if it were one per act? Not much more than an install that takes minutes between acts.
How about the fact that Kojima hates the 360, and would stand in the way of a port, defending his intellectual property? He might allow it to the Pc, but he feels that allowing a port to the 360 would be introducing it to a casual market, which is pretty much in direct contradiction of everything he made this game to do.
My personal experience is that everyone likes to bash microsoft. Maybe because I like the 360 best, I don't know. I do know that people say that sony is the company that is ripping of everyone else the most. One thing that few people mention about nintendo btw is that they always price their games as high as they can. Back in the old days when nintendo was dominating, the prices on the N64 games was ridiculously high back in norway. And they still prefer to ship every wii here so that there is a big shortage in the USA just because the money here is worth more atm. I still love them for their games though.
As for your "MGS 4 takes 10 dvds argument", Kojima also claimed that MGS4 doesn't even fit the whole disc. I would take his claims with a grain of salt. This is the man that claimed the game won't even fit a BD, and then there's this. I also have to point out that the textures are rarely the problem with these sorts of games, but rather the huge volume of sound files (especially since this is MGS we're talking about). Sound can be compressed, though, without resorting to any lossy encoding.
ok but Kojima is the one that said it takes up the full 50 gigs, btw nice editing with the gimp, is that supposed to actually prove anything?
as for the which takes more on a disc, it's textures, sound only has to be made once, textures have to be made for each resolution if done correctly, if not the console upscales it
Summed up, I'm not really buying that porting MGS4 would be impossible. Some changes would have to be made, sure, but that happens with porting anyway. Would multiple discs be a problem if it were one per act? Not much more than an install that takes minutes between acts.
wouldn't ever happen, as mentioned Kojima hates the 360 and also the fact that MGS4 does a lot of stuff that only the ps3 can do
And the PC is pretty much Microsoft's domain. BSD/Linux/Mac OS X/Minix/Insert-OS-Here are all small fry compared to the fact that ~85-90% of PCs have Windows on them. I would also delve into OEMs, but... whether or not the PC is Microsoft's domain really has nothing to do with the topic, since to play all the recent games you'd still need a Microsoft OS. Wine/Cedega can only catch up so fast.
ummmm you must like to use buzz words and raised on them, the pc is IBM's domain and registered trademark, everything else is PC-compatible :)
oem's, just as dell, sell the same thing as a computer you can piece together from your local shop, there is no such thing as oem os's anymore that died out after the various dos systems died
100% BC? I don't remember them promising anything of the sort. I did see them promising support for their most popular games, which was basically just Halo/Halo 2. They were pretty upfront about using emulation, which to just about anyone tech savvy should mean that the support will never be on par with actual hardware doing the job.
yup when the 360 was first announced it was claimed to be 100% bc, then after that they changed their mind cause they couldn't do it
And yes, they've been slow with their updates lately, but I'm not really seeing any point to quitting now that they're selling Xbox Originals that run on top of emulation. If they did quit, then yes, I admit it was a dumb move.
they've already said they won't be updating the list anymore
actually it's not, see loading stuff onto the hard drive increases load times.
And oh yeah, you can't take this back now. (Me using juvenile argumentation tactics? Never!)
ok i typed something wrong, it happens, you changed your argument :)
The conclusion I'll just draw from this is that the difference between Microsoft and Sony is that the 360 is offering games that I want to play. DR-DOS/The Lik-Sang case are both proof that the companies are willing to go to pretty draconian measures for the silliest of reasons. But the fact is... that there's not enough RMS in me to resist a good game.
right cause copying business ideas is exactly the same as doing things that are illegal, the lik-sang stuff was because they were doing illegal things
and honestly don't bring up RMS's name if you support m$ in the least, he'd be rolling in his grave if he were dead
Indigo_Dingo: Has anyone pointed out that without Sony there would be no GTA or Guitar Hero?
Apparantly, some developers said that if there was no Sony there would no be advancments in console technology, which makes sense when you think about it.
One thing that few people mention about nintendo btw is that they always price their games as high as they can. Back in the old days when nintendo was dominating, the prices on the N64 games was ridiculously high back in norway.
actually the cost of their games was because of their decision of using cartridges and not cd's at the time
there were also other fun issues that came up because of their usage of cartridges
Alphavillain: Sony, MicroSoft, Apple, and the rest are all corporate monoliths who want to make money by selling cool stuff. One is not better than the other. One is not cuddlier and more caring than the other.
totally
with the level of personal rhetoric being thrown around, you'd think that Sony and Microsoft were the asshole neighbors next door and not corporations consisting of thousands of people.
the tooth fairy doesn't exist and corporations want as much of your money as possible any way they can get it. sorry to bumb out all you idealists.
But one makes more reliable hardware then the other... As in, it's not prone too dying 33% of the time.
Indigo_Dingo: Has anyone pointed out that without Sony there would be no GTA or Guitar Hero?
Apparantly, some developers said that if there was no Sony there would no be advancments in console technology, which makes sense when you think about it.
Does really. Without the ps2, we all would have stayed with the N64, limitted to what it could produce. And don't say Dreamcast, cause that was doomed anyway.
It pretty much made all the mistakes the X-box did when it debuted.
The infamous boomerang controller made everyone give a weird look, it made the 360 look better by being the most expensive of this console cycle and even had the NERVE to say "that's cheap" and "Sony gamers will do whatever it takes to get one no matter what." The PS3 lost crucial exclusives like GTA and didn't have a killer app until MGS4 came out, not every game uses/uses the Sixaxis well, Sixaxis DIDN'T have dual-shock because Sony believed "dual-shock was last-gen" and when it finally did come out was priced at $50, so you could pretty much buy a game at the same rate and the firmware upgrade screwed with a lot of units.
All in all, the PS3 is now the upper crust "big, black brick" console and the 360 is for the average joe gamer.
There IS a difference between Blu-Ray and DVD but it's only highly noticable on bigger HDTVs. DVD is nice but it's getting old, it only holds 8.5 gigs of space while Blu-Ray holds 50, giving you more special features on movies, higher picture and sound quality (I assume you don't have a T.V. or Speaker system to take advantage of it though) - and less of that "widescreen edition" or "double sided special edition" bullshit, one blu-ray disc has all, and that's final, no need for 8 DVDs of the same movie hoping that it will look good on widescreen or not. the only thing thats kind of wrong about your whole theory is that the price of electronics and tech always becomes cheaper with time, and when they are more easy to produce. Blu rays are not going to stay so high priced for long
I just hope Blu-Ray stops looking like a luxury to people, DVD sucks, no one wants to admit it yet. - but whatever, if people can put up with Lost Odyssey Spanning FOUR FUCKING DVD'S then whatever.
50/8.5=5.88
So If it is the same price ratio as DVD Blu-ray should cost 5.88 times more (Blank Media)
Yet ONE Disc is 25-29 for a 25 GB Or the lovely deal of 79.99 for a dual layer (50GB one) Yet I can get 15 Dual layer DVDs for $20
So you pay 79.99 for that ultimate 50GB Disc. And $20 for 127.5 GB in dual layer DVDs. Thats a very high premium on 1 disc convenience that holds less than half the CHEAPER 15 DL-DVDs do.
EDIT: WTF I looked at the picture and the 79.99 disc isn't even dual layer what a rip off. You have copy and paste the link other wise it won't work.
Indigo_Dingo: Has anyone pointed out that without Sony there would be no GTA or Guitar Hero?
Apparantly, some developers said that if there was no Sony there would no be advancments in console technology, which makes sense when you think about it.
Does really. Without the ps2, we all would have stayed with the N64, limitted to what it could produce. And don't say Dreamcast, cause that was doomed anyway.
WRONG!
The PS2 (and give sony this, even if you hate them) killed it, it was better and sony killed it off, and I mean that in a good way. But as far as games go I really don't want to think where we'd be without the PS2.
I suppose the hate is because people like to pick on the straggler, I know the PS3 is catching up the 360 but it had the lowest sales for a while, people like to be on "the winning side" it has happened the previous gen too, the gamecube and dreamcast were picked on a bit, and they were good consoles. Whatis interesting though, is if the PS3 overtakes the 360 in sales, what will happen? Will we see more 360 hate?
EDIT-oh, and I have 2.40 firmware working perfectly :3
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