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Alex_P
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SargentToughie:
I'm sure we've all felt that sting, I'm looking at you, companion Cube...

Would you really have liked the game more if you didn't have to euthanize the cube, though? That's one of the game's defining moments, after all.

-- Alex

Shadow Tyrant
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Indigo_Dingo:
But I doubt Eli will die.

You just keep telling yourself that. The rest of us that have completed the the game will be over here in reality land.

[Alternate response: The only reason they were able to bring Alyx back was because she was only knocked out by the Hunter. Eli was flat out skull-sucked by the Advisor. There's no coming back from that.]

J'aen
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The only way Eli would die is if G-man intervened, and he only does that in the absolute direst circumstances. The circumstances aren't nearly dire enough to warrant hearing "Hello...mis-ter Fuhreeeeeman" again.

PedroSteckecilo
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Picking between Kaiden and Ashley in Mass Effect was pretty harsh, I let Kaidan die, mostly because his death seemed more heroic.

shatnershaman
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PedroSteckecilo:
Picking between Kaiden and Ashley in Mass Effect was pretty harsh, I let Kaidan die, mostly because his death seemed more heroic.

I did Eeny, meeny, miny, moe because they were both useless to me (I use the Krogan and Turian)

Stammer
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Final Fantasy Tactics

Soothsayers
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PedroSteckecilo:
Picking between Kaiden and Ashley in Mass Effect was pretty harsh, I let Kaidan die, mostly because his death seemed more heroic.

That was the hardest decision in the game XD they were both actually good characters. I played though twice so I could kill both of them XD

thebobmaster
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Stubee:
lol i bet you a gazillion bucks whoever u chose aint dead and turns up in the sequel as a convenient deus ex machina (spelling?)

Yeah...if you ignore the fact that whoever got left behind was at ground zero in a nuclear explosion.

shatnershaman
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thebobmaster:

Stubee:
lol i bet you a gazillion bucks whoever u chose aint dead and turns up in the sequel as a convenient deus ex machina (spelling?)

Yeah...if you ignore the fact that whoever got left behind was at ground zero in a nuclear explosion.

Hey all they need to do is get in a fridge those nukes are so weak.

PedroSteckecilo
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shatnershaman:

PedroSteckecilo:
Picking between Kaiden and Ashley in Mass Effect was pretty harsh, I let Kaidan die, mostly because his death seemed more heroic.

I did Eeny, meeny, miny, moe because they were both useless to me (I use the Krogan and Turian)

See I just felt like Kaidan's death would be more awesome, and I thought it was thoroughly bad ass in the end, besides, he asks you to leave him behind, whereas abandoning Ashley would have felt cruel.

friedmetroid
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pieeater911:
In KOTOR when you become evil and you pretty much end up killing over half of your crew who you've grown to like a lot over the course of the game.....except for Carth...he was a prick.

This. I was so disappointed when Carth just ran away at that point, I lost all respect for the character.

Also, when I was younger and I had Gradius 3, I realised that there's no way you could have possibly escaped after blowing up the... whatever it was at the end. :(

the monopoly guy
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Reasonable Doubt:
All I can say is Why oh why did you have to die Captain Price.

gaz...I was pissed

shatnershaman
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PedroSteckecilo:

See I just felt like Kaidan's death would be more awesome, and I thought it was thoroughly bad ass in the end, besides, he asks you to leave him behind, whereas abandoning Ashley would have felt cruel.

Yea I looked at it in the way of "Who will help me win more" there just pixels and wire frames to me.

friedmetroid
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PedroSteckecilo:

See I just felt like Kaidan's death would be more awesome, and I thought it was thoroughly bad ass in the end, besides, he asks you to leave him behind, whereas abandoning Ashley would have felt cruel.

Whenever someone says they picked Ashley... all I can think of is they just wanted the sex scene :\

She's one of the least developed characters I've ever seen in an RPG.

J'aen
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shatnershaman:

thebobmaster:

Stubee:
lol i bet you a gazillion bucks whoever u chose aint dead and turns up in the sequel as a convenient deus ex machina (spelling?)

Yeah...if you ignore the fact that whoever got left behind was at ground zero in a nuclear explosion.

Hey all they need to do is get in a fridge those nukes are so weak.

Fifties nukes were weak, future nukes are way better.

Indigo_Dingo
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Shadow Tyrant:

Indigo_Dingo:
But I doubt Eli will die.

You just keep telling yourself that. The rest of us that have completed the the game will be over here in reality land.

[Alternate response: The only reason they were able to bring Alyx back was because she was only knocked out by the Hunter. Eli was flat out skull-sucked by the Advisor. There's no coming back from that.]

No, not knocked out. The Hunter put a leg through her stomach, and then it took her a bit over half an hour to reach the Vortigaunt group. She was dead when she reached them.

Yet she recovered easily, and managed to fight up to the radioactive swamp, and volunteer me to go out into that place. Bitch.

Evilbunny
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Kate from GTA 4. God, I actually cried when that happened.

Nugoo
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Aeris.

Yes, really.

I was nine.

OverlordSteve
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Joshua from The World Ends with You. It was the worst death ever, because:
A. He died to save Neku, that irked me because Joshua > Neku
B. He said the corniest line just before he died, it completely ruined his character.

The_Heretic
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Mr. Fister:
Luis dying in RE4. Man, that sucked.

Completly fucking agree he was my favorite NPC ever along with Mike in the chopper
How do you not love a dude who backs you up with a fucking blackhawk chopper i mean really

lukemdizzle
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Evilbunny:
Kate from GTA 4. God, I actually cried when that happened.

me too

that was one of the saddest endings in game history

Bulletinmybrain
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TheIceface:
I like it when a character is developed and killed off, as long as it doesn't happen in every single game/movie. I just watched "Click", the Adam Sandler movie for the first time, and I thought it actually had a really good ending when he died. Then it ruined it by saying "ha ha, it was only a dream, everything that has happened so far was pointless."

I agree with you. Mind twisting and emotional pulling sucks balls.

I would have to go with the Big Boss that guy was cool and everything and then you just kill him. Solid Snake is a cold hearted bastard.

Cactuar213
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im still angry at Sephiroth for killing Aerith

Stubee:
Sergeant Johnson....i mean wtf!

Exactly!

NKYJYB
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Carmine from Gears of War and Ashley Williams from Mass Effect. I would feel bad for Wrex in one of my accounts but I didn't kill him. With Ash I choose for her to die (mainly because she was a violent racist).

The thing with Carmine is that I can be him in multiplayer so he lives on (and so does his uncanny ability to catch bullets with his cranium). I've had my share of deaths in Gears online.

NKYJYB
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I've played through Mass Effect a bunch of times and I've seen every possible teamate death. Kaidan accepted his death much more passively while Ash was much more of a badass.

Programmed_For_Damage
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friedmetroid:

PedroSteckecilo:

See I just felt like Kaidan's death would be more awesome, and I thought it was thoroughly bad ass in the end, besides, he asks you to leave him behind, whereas abandoning Ashley would have felt cruel.

Whenever someone says they picked Ashley... all I can think of is they just wanted the sex scene :\

She's one of the least developed characters I've ever seen in an RPG.

Hey I'll be honest, the only real reason I did it was for the chance to get it on with her. Although at the time I thought I'd have a chance to save Kaiden once I'd gotten to Ashley (surely they wouldn't kill off one of the main characters?) and then the place blew up along with Kaiden and I did feel an unexpected pang of guilt.

I should have known. Prior to that when Wrex got shot to death, Bioware proved to me they would indeed go there. Two down.

Programmed_For_Damage
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tuglowz:
THE DEATH OF BIG BOSS IN MGS4 - dam you finaly get to meet the guy again after waiting so long and they go and kill him of with foxdie come on the guy did not seam that bad and it really hit me hard when he was speaking to snake
THERE WILL ONLY EVER BE ONE BIG BOSS

After playing through MGS3: Snake Eater, I developed a real fondness for Big Boss. I was outraged when he (or what was left of him) died in MGS4. [POTENTIAL SPOILER] A bad day for Solid Snake when both his parents die.

Medic Heavy
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my most memorable death is for Warhammer Dawn of war when the librian turns out to be Chaos and you have to kill him.

And second. master chief, just being left in space.well i kinda think he desireved it for turning Halo 3 into a sub par shooter.

And yeah the ending for COD4 had me quite emotional and speechless for minutes

CartoonHead
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The ending for COD4 AND the nuclear explosion both had me awe struck. And pissed off. More so with Gaz and the SAS team though (I am British).

Indigo_Dingo
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Programmed_For_Damage:

tuglowz:
THE DEATH OF BIG BOSS IN MGS4 - dam you finaly get to meet the guy again after waiting so long and they go and kill him of with foxdie come on the guy did not seam that bad and it really hit me hard when he was speaking to snake
THERE WILL ONLY EVER BE ONE BIG BOSS

After playing through MGS3: Snake Eater, I developed a real fondness for Big Boss. I was outraged when he (or what was left of him) died in MGS4. [POTENTIAL SPOILER] A bad day for Solid Snake when both his parents die.

What about that Japanese woman? He still has her.

Programmed_For_Damage
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Indigo_Dingo:

Programmed_For_Damage:

After playing through MGS3: Snake Eater, I developed a real fondness for Big Boss. I was outraged when he (or what was left of him) died in MGS4. [POTENTIAL SPOILER] A bad day for Solid Snake when both his parents die.

What about that Japanese woman? He still has her.

I know the woman you are talking about; isn't she Solidus' mother or was it her DNA and that of Big Boss that comprises Solid Snake and Eva was just used as the surrogate? I get confused. I was trying to pay attention and my brother and his mate were crapping on over the cutscene. Maybe I should check out that MGS questions thread.

ShyWinter
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I was caught off guard by the marine dying in COD4. When I had him crawling around in the debris, I kept saying: "No way, they can kill this guy. His levels are too good and action-packed. There's got to be a rescue chopper or something." Instead he dies slowly and horribly and alone. Normally I can see a plot twist in a game/movie coming from a mile away but this was a quick jab at my reasoning on how a game's plot should develop, making me like the game even more.

Medic Heavy
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ShyWinter:
I was caught off guard by the marine dying in COD4. When I had him crawling around in the debris, I kept saying: "No way, they can kill this guy. His levels are too good and action-packed. There's got to be a rescue chopper or something." Instead he dies slowly and horribly and alone. Normally I can see a plot twist in a game/movie coming from a mile away but this was a quick jab at my reasoning on how a game's plot should develop, making me like the game even more.

When i first played through that plot twist i thought you had to use the radio to call for help

ReepNeep
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friedmetroid:

PedroSteckecilo:

See I just felt like Kaidan's death would be more awesome, and I thought it was thoroughly bad ass in the end, besides, he asks you to leave him behind, whereas abandoning Ashley would have felt cruel.

Whenever someone says they picked Ashley... all I can think of is they just wanted the sex scene :\

She's one of the least developed characters I've ever seen in an RPG.

... Compared to what? What else have you played that you haven't seen anything more shallow than her? There are other characters in that very game that have less depth. Just because she doesn't have a the typical weepy melodramatic backstory/plot hook doesn't make her shallow. Maybe you're confused by the fact that she is the only vanilla unaugmented human in the cast? Everyone else is an alien or has psi-powers.

The fact that she didn't have the stock Bioware Henchman Fetch Quest makes her more interesting to me as well.

Losing Dogmeat in the Vats near the end of Fallout was always tough for me. I loved my dog.

friedmetroid
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ReepNeep:
... Compared to what? What else have you played that you haven't seen anything more shallow than her? There are other characters in that very game that have less depth.

Other main characters in that game?

Yeah, no.

What the hell does Ashley ever do in the game?

What's your most memorable quote from Ashley?

I do admire Bioware for making her the hardcore military type instead of a generic blustering damsel in distress (like the Asari party member whose name I can't remember), but really... I never really felt like Ashley added much to the plot.

Of course that could be BioWare's fault for taking out the ability to speak to your party members in depth whenever you wanted to, which was one of my biggest gripes with ME.

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