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Press Junketeer  Posts: 388 Joined: 2 Dec 2007     | |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2913 Joined: 21 Jan 2008     | Ok MGG, firstly, I don't think The Escapist forums need another topic like this seeing as we've had them before. They don't last for too long, and they don't really get us anywhere. As for my opinion of whether or not the PS3 will survive or not, I reckon it will. Fans will buy the thing since it has the games they like, and they just prefer it to the competition. Frankly, I don't care since I'm content with my Xbox 360 (and PC I 'spose), and fail to see a reason to care about the PS3. Everyone has different tastes, and those who feel their tastes are catered to by the PS3 will buy them. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2658 Joined: 18 Dec 2007  | I agree with stompy on all of his points. I suppose it might stand a chance...it looks like it might be up to lose the console race this time around but who honestly cares what wins. The PS3 is a nice console and has some good games for it, whether it sells well or not does not change it's quality. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 407 Joined: 21 Nov 2007   | Yeah, why wouldn't it? Sure it's had a bad start but the PS3 has still got a lot of potential. As for the Wii, well I'm pretty sure it's got an unassailable lead but I haven't got one for one simple reason, there's not a single game that I'd want to play on it. Most people I know, who have a Wii, rarely play it after the intial joy of playing Wii sports. So while the Wii has sold the most consoles at the moment, I can't really see it selling very many more and I'm sure it'll sell the least games of all three consoles. The PS3 is currently going from strength to strength, it's had a bevy of updates to the software which is now on par with the 360's software. It uses blu-ray which will be the DVD replacement in years to come, it's also one of the best and one of the cheapest blu-ray players you can buy. Not to mention the fact that the PS3 hardware has a lot more to give, I'm yet to see a game that seems limited by the PS3 hardware. So yeah, it stands just a good a chance as the 360 does,IMHO. The real question is if the Wii can maintain it's impressive lead but this generation isn't even halfway through it's lifespan so it's still early days. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 210 Joined: 5 Jun 2008   |
Nothing to do with the PS3 really but this is very very unlikely. Last I heard sales of Blu-Ray media had declined since the death of HD-DVD. Blu-ray will be the new Laser Disc. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2048 Joined: 14 Sep 2007   | NO! No more of these threads! Nothing is solved by the time the mods lock it! |
Beat Writer  Posts: 205 Joined: 2 Apr 2008  | I laugh at X-Box losers who forget history. Do you recall that big pile of junk called the X-Box? Not the 360, just the X-Box. What did all the Playstation gamers say about it? > It's big and ugly. So, a console that never stood a chance spawned a SUCCESSOR console, whose gamers are now telling us the third generation of the GREATEST console of all time... > Is too big and ugly. Care to place bets? |
Press Junketeer Posts: 407 Joined: 21 Nov 2007 |
I disagree, while obviously the jump from VHS to DVD was considerabley bigger, blu-ray players have an advantage that DVD never had, they can play the previous format, as well as their own and at a better quality. So when someone wants to replcae their DVD player, they'll buy a blu-ray player. The only thing that could stop blu-ray taking over from DVD would be if digital media were to become mainstream, something that I don't believe will happen anytime in the near future. |
Beat Writer Posts: 210 Joined: 5 Jun 2008 |
I think the companies backing Digital media distribution will make it happen sooner than you think. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 152 Joined: 24 Apr 2008 | eh...PS3 already has a large userbase. Question is redundant, it has years ahead of it. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 6114 Joined: 30 Jan 2008   | Do I have to pull out the damn list again? Exclusives this year that I think will be real cool Where did you check to see what games where coming out? |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 5 Joined: 25 Jun 2008  | I think as a piece of hardware the ps3 has the 360 licked, but at the same time most of the games I'm excited about playing are on the xbox... gears 2 etc the best outcome is that both platforms succeed, as this should push Microsoft and Sony to put out some really high quality exclusives for their machines... more competition equals better games all round... I will never truly be happy until I get Hogs of War HD on the PS3 ;) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2658 Joined: 18 Dec 2007 | *sigh* Look what you've done MGG. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 62 Joined: 23 Jan 2008 | Kind of a pointless topic but anyways... The answer first and foremost is yes, the PS3 does stand a chance. Sure, the Wii and 360 both may have larger install bases, but the Wii is lacking in games and seems to be more novelty than anything, while the 360 on the other hand just ended up having a 12 month head start (would love to compare the PS3 sales now with 360 for 12 months ago - THAT would be a fairer comparison point on sales than what both have at this point in time) Also, MGS4 is only the BEGINNING of what you're going to be seeing come out on PS3. Gears Of War 2 is likely heading towards the MAXIMUM of what you will see on 360. Let's also not forget that there are not any new Halo FPS games left in the pipeline for Microsoft (barring some change in attitude from Bungie*) while the possibility of another Metal Gear game is very open (even if Snake is not the lead character) and I would almost say in the 90% likely zone. Throw the new 2.41 update which brings Sony's online capabilities up to scratch with the 360 and with a much lesser contingent of snot nosed brats running around the place. Also, PS3 online is free and with the hard drive standard will continually be able to be upgraded. The only downside is the cost, and with consoles being sold at a loss per unit (on the hope of making it up again on software sales) there is not too much that can reasonably be seen at this point. Christmas isn't too far away though so maybe something will come of that.... And one final point is that the PS3 has only been out 2 years, with an estimated life cycle of 10. Seriously, anyone who thinks the console wars of 'this' generation is over is crazy after such a short time period. Maybe after 5 years perhaps would be a better time to declare a winner.... *Yes, I realise there's Halo Wars coming out, but I cannot honestly remember an RTS EVER being successful on a console.... |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 6114 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 | It would appear I must. Here's the list of confirmed Ps3 exclusives to date. The fact that there's no Uncharted 2 on this list shows that Sony have a lot more than this up their sleeve. |
Beat Writer Posts: 205 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 |
Not heard of it.
Please, the only way Resistance 2 could be better is if we get to defile a mosque! =P
Snore.
Not a clue what this is.
Doomed to fail. JRPGs need Turn based combat. Turn based combat, or at least ATB, is awesome. Realtime is not.
It achieved perfection somewhere around Tekken 3 / Tekken Tag, depending on how you define it.
Fuck yes! This is going to be awesome! Unleash your inner Star Wars Fanboy and join the Dark Side... no, wait, that would mean buying an X-Box, which has Yoda, the ultimate Light Sider... Metaphysical Dichotomy Alert!!! Oh, you forgot KILLZONE 2! Killzone is sweet, Killzone 2 will be likewise wonderful and fun. Plus, Hellghast. 'Nuf said. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 391 Joined: 31 Oct 2007  | What really annoys me is that people get all behind their console and say it's going to rule and stomp the other into the dust without realising that a competitive market place is a healthy market place. The console war is good for us people, it forces them to keep upping the anty, keep trying to make there product better than the competitors, to make better games and better hardware and it drives down the cost because they know that if they don't then we will just go to their competitor. The only real winners of the console war are us gamers so please stop these stupid, ill conceived threads. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 6114 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
So, your lack of knowledge on a game automatically makes it bad? Buddy, if you have not heard of the Big planet of Littleness, you have been living under a rock for a year. And Killzone 2 is a 2009 project, along with 2 Rockstar projects, a Suda 51 exclusive, a Crysis project that utilises the Ps3 to the Crytech maximum, Home, Wardevil, Final Fantasy 13, and a heaping helping of others. Besides, its not possible for a developer to learn from their mistakes? |
Beat Writer Posts: 205 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 | My faith in most developers is shot to shit. Halo tanked pretty much from day one. GTA tanked, and has continued to tank for 5 sequels, MGS only evaded a nosedive by realising we wanted to play as Snake, and giving him back. ID software managed to produce a game that was fun, yet in every way not Doom 3 save in name. Final Fantasy is going downhill so fast it's not funny. And I never sad anything bad about Big Planet of Littleness or inFamous. Logically, if I've not heard of them I'm not going to assume they're great games, anymore than I'm going to listen to some drooling Halo Fanboy recount how brilliant Halo Wars is going to be. And s for "living under a rock," I just don't waste money on game magazines. I've not given massive amounts of time or thought into what block-buster PS3 titles are coming out, because I've pre-planned all my PS3 purchases for the rest of the year.
The pessimist in me wants to argue to the contrary. If I was going to make a game, and had the kind of backing a company like Square Enix or Bungie or whoever you care to name can deliver, I would produce an awesome game. Odds are, a lot of people wouldn't like it. I don't care. I would produce a deep, complex game that tells anyone with the attention span of a gnat to go fuck themselves. Literally; it'd be in the title screen. That wouldn't make me a lot of money. If I wanted to make a lot of money, I'd re-release Halo 3, only I'd call it "Star Marine" and change a few of the graphics. That will sell. Bunjie did it twice with Halo, and god-knows how many other companies did it by ripping off Halo. Ripping off Halo is a good way to make money. It makes shit games, but it makes money. If it doesn't work, rip off GTA4. If THAT doesn't work, go rip off some other big-name game. The console wars produce a lot of companies ripping each other off. That doesn't produce good games. EDIT: Having just looked it up, I recognise LittleBigPlanet now. I saw some stuff on it a while back, and was interested in a "reminds me of Lemmings" kind of way (which isn't a bad thing; I grew up on Lemmings). It'll be added to the list, most likely. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 407 Joined: 21 Nov 2007 |
Yeah but people like to have large collections of films and music, it's never quite the same when you can't line up your films or music on a rack or a shelf. Who's going to want to buy a film when they have to delete another one to make space for it? It might well be the future for rentals but not sales, not for at least a decade. The next huge technological break-through will need to happen first (can't remember what it's called, but it'll cause a huge leapt in hard-drive sizes.) |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 437 Joined: 2 Jun 2008  |
right so, the PS3 has sold approaching 13million units, admittedly the 360 has sold 19 million units. but Microsoft have already admitted they've lost a billion from having to pay for all the repair jobbies (three so far for me, keeps freezing at the moment and won't go online at the moment so looks like a fourth will be happening soon) which in my mind seems that in a few years they're going to stop supporting online play for a lot of games (they did this with the xbox) I don't understand how their can be a winner and a loser they're just two competitor products of a similar use. Their are not people arguing on other forums about which toaster will win the 17th generation toast wars "no no! most breads the toastmaster can toast are cross platform anyway! the Toastinator 3 can also warm blue ray-son muffins!" it's just ridiculous. and I don't see how it affects us the gamers anyway it barely affects the majority of the employees of the competitor companies. it just all strains down to the fact the majority of you 'want what you can't have' which namely is the exclusive games for the other system. so your jealous it gets projected into anger and that's how this all starts. |
Paperboy  Posts: 31 Joined: 7 Jul 2008 | Of course the PS3 stands a chance. It's a great system and games have to come out eventually, right? It's also a blu ray player that a good deal of people are buying with no intention of buying software for it. Not to mention, 1000s of fanboys who'd rather buy a ps3 than play a ton of good games on 360 will keep it alive. I have both and I don't care who wins the war this round (although I am pushing for 360 since PS fanboys are intolerable). I do know this, I've had my ps3 for about 1.5 years and have bought 6 games. I've had my 360 for 2.5 years and have bought near 30. I only buy what I feel are quality games (well reviewed usually) and that's what I've come up with. 360 price drop could be tough too. $299 coming soon for 20GB model. Anyway, all 3 systems will stick because Wii has 8yos and casual gamers, 360 has a broad audience and a great library and PS3 has Blu Ray and fanboys. |
Paperboy  Posts: 27 Joined: 1 Jul 2008 | After playing MGS4 I've mostly used my PS3 to play old PS2 games. It also makes a good media center. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 407 Joined: 21 Nov 2007 |
I used to be exactly the same (I also have both), however 360 fanboys now wind me up more than the PS3 ones do so I'm a PS3 man. |
Paperboy Posts: 25 Joined: 18 Jan 2008 |
The PS3 hardware has hit its limit as well. MGS was pushing it virtually to its limit. Hideo Kojima has already said he was disappointed with the PS3 hardware with regards to MGS4. He basically criticised Sony for promising so much but delivering so little. The 360 hardware when it comes to Memory and GPU is infact superior to the PS3 as well. CPU wise the PS3 is better. It makes very little difference though. After a couple more years we will still get better looking games than we do now. Devs just need more time to really be able to extract the most from the systems. The PS3 is still going to be around for a while yet though. Bluray is making sure of that. The one thing that is worrying though is that the PS3 is on a 10year life span. Sony are going to have to look at that. No way is it going to last another 8 years. Where as the 360 only has another 2 - 4 years left in its cycle. The thing is Sony need to remain competitive. So we are going to have to see the end of the PS3 a lot sooner than they hoped. By the way I own a PS3. So not bigging up the 360 as I am a fanboy simply coming at it with a balanced argument. Both have there pro's and con's but quite simply we were all lied to by Sony. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 377 Joined: 7 Nov 2007 |
Hmm, instead of dissecting his list with stupid one word answers, look the games up, read about them and make your judgement. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2408 Joined: 7 Feb 2008  | I kinda hope it gets some good exclusives, but I'm unsure if it can hold its own against the 360's somewhat more powerhouse lineup of exclusive titles. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 367 Joined: 27 Jun 2008  | If it was from a straight up hardware perspective, then the PS3 would wipe the floor with the 360 and the Wii. But since it's about the games and not the hardware, then the 360 will come out on top in the end. Why? Because it has more games that are actually fun and don't try to use broken SIXAXIS controls. I mean, theres only been, like, one PS3 exclusive title everyones been crapping their pants over in the past two years, and thats MGS4. But the 360 has had Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect and many others being announced, whereas the only thing I can think of off the top of my head for PS3 is Little Big Planet and, whenever they actually announce it, God of War 3. I guess PS3ers will just have to hope and pray that something amazing is announced at E3 this year. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 147 Joined: 12 Feb 2008 | By the middle of next year, the PS3 will surpass the 360 in install base. The PS3 is just hitting its stride and has many more games to look forward to in the coming months as opposed to the 360 which has already peaked and has few games forthcoming. The big question mark is the Wii. The Wii is obviously a gimmick (an occasionally fun gimmick at that) which has very little game support. The question is when will people stop buying it (I don't think it is a matter of if but when)? The 360 is living on borrowed time and will fall to the back of the pack in the next year but will still retain a larger market share than its predecessor while Sony will eventually win out again, but without the market dominance it once had. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2835 Joined: 10 Mar 2008    | Didn't we have the exact same thread with the exact same title a couple of weeks ago? I'm sure we did, but this whole question is really pointless. Of course the PS3 will survive, just because it doesn't have exclusives that you know of doesn't mean there aren't any, just look at Indigo's list and there are plenty more where that came from. Plus the whole "Blu-ray winning format"."But blu-ray isn't catching up!" you say, well since the war of the formats have ended the PS3 sales have (i believe, need to check up on this) doubled or even tripled. Plus it's obviously going to take some time, the PS2 wasn't a hit over night, it had to work for it and show us it's moves! Alot of these posts are biased, and purely opinionated which really bugs me when they say "PS3 HAZ no ELUSives" when there clearly are and for some reason thos |
well just because of MGS4 ps3 users think there the winners now.. and checking ps3 doesn't really have any stand out games till next year when were getting fable 2 and gears of war 2 exclusive to the xbox
what are your thoughts?