From what I see that game has an incredibly large community, but I played for literally three hours and it had frustrated me to no end. First the tutorial isn't what you would call vague, but it hardly touches the surface of essential data. The journal is broken and usually it had told me I had completed a quest when in fact it was only half done and I had to go all the way back to pick something up. The same thing happened again when it showed a document in my cargo and then it disappeared. I don't know it's just the game seems very un-user-friendly, unintuitive, and the whole one click combat and the fact that I can do everything with the right and left mouse click sort of dulls the whole experience for me. If you've played it, give your opinion on what you think about this game whether you love it or hate it. -Scurries back to his Age of Conan for some much needed hack-y slash-y decapitation.-

YOU MADE IT THROUGH THREE HOURS?!! I played it for one hour and half that time was spent watching TV while my ship orbited a small asteroid picking small bits of ore off it. I thought it was the shits but I also hated WoW because it had to much grind. Seriously, Who likes this stuff?!

I applaud those who play it but i personally could not stomach the thumb twiddling early stages.

I understand that the late stages are fun, but to me it doesn't seem worth it considering the time investment needed.

To me its like bashing my head against a wall... because it feels good when i stop.

But once again, i sometimes wish i was one of the players who enjoys it, as it seems such a cool concept and the combat is what i've always dreamt of.

If you like Age of Conan and similar MMOs, EVE probably isn't your type of game. No harm in that, but other than the fact that they're both online, there's pretty much no similarities between them.

EVE does have an incredibly high learning curve, and a generally difficult interface. But it also has incredibly gameplay if you can find a corp to help you out. If you're giving it a try, I definitely suggest asking a lot of questions in the help channels - there's almost always people in there that can answer anything you come up with.

I'll be brutally honest and I'm not trying to be mean but this is something I have noticed a lot playing EvE.

People who are fanatical WoW players (and by this I mean generic, easy to play rpg's) are not going to hang around on EvE, or find it enjoyable.

The game is immensely complex, mind-numbingly deep and yes, it takes time to get your character to a world of warcraft level 70 esque state.

EvE is an amazing game with fantastic graphics, excellent support, an amazing community and yes, it's fair share of bugs (though the journal isn't one of them ;) ).

I've seen a lot of friends who I played WoW with try the tutorial on EvE and just go back to battlegrounds, but the cream of EvE is further out in the depths of 0.0 and low-sec space.

Don't feel thick for not liking it and don't let any fanboys tell you you're an idiot for not sticking with it. But if you want proof of some MMO players reactions to EvE, look at TIMESWORDSMAN's post. Oh, and that mining part of the tutorial? You can mine one piece of ore and skip the rest. You don't need to fill your cargo hold.

I had a 14 day free trial in EVE, and i loved it personally. Would have considered playing longer, but i just couldn't afford it at the time (or now.)

Having spent a long time playing WoW I wouldn't class my self as a fan boy but I personally think that Eve Online is the best MMO out there. I'll happily admit though, the learning curve is a tad steep.

But like a few of the previous posts said, if you stick with it, and find a good corp to help you out, which is essential if you want to progress properly and at any sort of pace. Plus the community is always willing to help out if you ask, its not like some games where by if you ask a question everyone starts yelling "n00b" people will genuinely try to help you out.

Also, this may make me a nerd but, any game with a built in calculator in my books says a lot about the target market.

On the Journal comment, its supposed to be a piece of paper (well space age equivalent) that gives you details about the 'quest', how is a piece of paper going to know when the cargo is in your hold? It's a bit of a break away from the WoW style journals that walk you though every aspect of the quest like there's an invisible tour guide sat on you shoulder.

Also on that Journal note, in most missions where you need cargo, the objective states that you must "Kill x npc" to gain access to the cargo. That's the objective, kill the npc and so when it says objective completed it's not lying ;)

Besides, if it said "objective complete" next to the delivery and you hadn't delivered it yet, don't you think you'd cry bug over that? :D

I actually liked the game as it had a lot of neat differences from everything else I've played. However, I wouldn't really pay to play it. Like for most things, it's all preference. It's really complicated. You probably wouldn't like Final Fantasy XI either lol

You're not alone in this. To me, EVE online looks like an RTS with only one unit, that's no fun at all.

Its a game what requires a time commitment, it does turn into a job. I played it for a while, put it down. Me an my friend missed it for some reason, then got bored again. My mate wants to pick it up again, but I just can't be bothered! The game is too slow paced at the start.

As a long time EVE player (5 years - since beta) I don't blame you for having issues with it, I see it on a daily basis. You're not thick for not liking it because well, its a niche game. The problem with it I find is that to actually get started you need the help of older players so you don't end up scratching through your head into your brain.

Most of the people I've help startup stuck with EVE for quite a while, and I know a few other people who had similar help and stuck around.

If you want another go, let me know I will help set you up and understand some of the game. You have two weeks after all.

Same goes to everyone here. If you start the trial and are having trouble then let me know and I will lead you through some things. Not guaranteeing you will like it as like I said it is a niche game, but its worth a couple of goes simply for its premise imho.

And no, I wont be waving e-peen, even after so long my main ships are the Rifter and Kestrel type frigates, both of which are usable from a very early eve age.

EDIT: Also, for you business types, any game who's developers hire an RL commercial analyst to look at the in-game economy every 3 months is saying something (in response to someone mentioning the in-game calculator being a +)

What exactly is EVE? It looks to me sort of like a space-age Civilizations game. I've never played it, but I'm thinking about getting it.

EVE is actually quite complicated to explain, the only real way of getting an idea of it is to grab the trial and the client and see for yourself =/

doomsauce:
What exactly is EVE? It looks to me sort of like a space-age Civilizations game. I've never played it, but I'm thinking about getting it.

It's an MMORPG that is very different from your average MMORPG. For instance, you never actually get to see your character. However, you are allowed to give your character a face. And this face can be extraordinarily customized. Think SPORE, but only for the face, and slightly less molding.

Instead of grinding to level up, you set what you want your character to learn and he or she will start learning that new skill. These skills let you ride better ships or use better weapons. With this system, you can set something that would take you two weeks to learn, go on vacation for two weeks, and come back to having another upgrade.

You can choose to have either a mining ship, which is usually a huge frigate that carries ores from asteroids. It's a much nicer way of making money, but these ships generally don't have any weapons. You can also choose to have a warship, ranging from a fast yet tiny scout to a huge megalith.

That's at least what I got out of the trial when I tried it. Great game, but quite samey and extraordinarily complicated. The best part about the game is going warp speed. I effing loved warp speed.

Stammer:
I effing loved warp speed.

"Warp Drive Active" Thwooooooooooooshacklacklackl BOOM <3

Stammer has it pretty close, and it can get samey at times. The thing with EVE is that for the most enjoyment you honestly have to socialise to really get far. Its nice and somewhat rare these days that an MMO means you have to socialise =/

Can I just say to Theo...

Rifter! Wooooo! \o/

Although I prefer the Wolf when I can get my mitts on one.

As to the OP... No, you're not thick. It may mean you aren't mind-numbingly patient when it comes to entertainment, but that's no bad thing.

I wholeheartedly agree with Theo on the older player to hold your hand so to speak, it makes life buckets easier. I extend the same offer Theo has - if you're new to the game, contact one of us. My in-game character is called Karn T'cren, so just open a convo to me and introduce yourself. Personally, I'm something of an amoral rogue, so questions on mining and production won't be answered quick, but combat/piracy and I be more than happy to help you out with.

And as a last word, the journal is odd compared to other MMOs. It's just a rough guideline, and when it flashes up completed, you won't necessarily be able to run straight back to your agent for payment - the completed often only refers to having killed everything you need to, sometimes you still need to grab an item and deliver it somewhere.

Singing Gremlin:
My in-game character is called Karn T'cren, so just open a convo to me and introduce yourself. Personally, I'm something of an amoral rogue, so questions on mining and production won't be answered quick, but combat/piracy and I be more than happy to help you out with.

I have a feeling I have been around a little longer than Gremlin but still I can probably cover what he can't. My name is the same as on these forums. Theo Samaritan.

Theo Samaritan:
I have a feeling I have been around a little longer than Gremlin but still I can probably cover what he can't. My name is the same as on these forums. Theo Samaritan.

Yeah, I've been around a couple years, which pales in comparison to your mighty beta presence. Didn't want to steal your thunder, just thought a second option may be nice.

I have been playing Eve for about three years now on and off, and honestly it's not a game for the player who likes instant gratification when they play a game, Eve is deep and complex and can require a few months to really start to understand what the game is about as well as finding out what you like to do within the game universe, I'll try and give a description of the many occupations you can undertake in Eve.

1. Mining - Within the Eve universe there are asteroid belts which when harvested can yeild low to highend minerals that other players can buy to make the many ships and modules used to play the game. This can be very boring for some people and they will only do it if they need to get the proper minerals for the ships or modules that they want to build, other people will do this all the time so that they can either build stuff for themselves or build stuff to be sold to the other players in Eve.

2. Construction - This usually goes hand in hand with mining since you need the minerals to create the items you want to use or sell, players can purchase blueprints more commonly referred to as BPOs which they place into factory slots in either NPC or player owned stations along with the minerals required, after the required time passes the item will be ready for pick up and the blueprint as well as the item are available for the player to either sell or use for him or herself, this trade tends to be a little more expensive to get into especially when you approch building the large battleship and capital ships and as such tend to only be built by people in large corporations or alliances.

3. PVP/PVE - Player vs Player combat and player vs NPC ( more commonly known as ratting ) is another option for you as an eve player. A PVP player will make their money by either killing npc pirates in space and sell the salvaged loot to other players, or they will become pirates themselves who will wait in low security systems and kill players ships and steal the loot inside. Players can also run missions for any of the four factions in eve and gain loyalty points as well as money for completing the missions.

4. Trade - Another way to make your way in the Eve universe is by trading, certain skills will allow you to examine the markets in solar systems many light years away, this will allow you to see where some items may be sold at higher prices then another, you can then buy items in bulk where it is cheaper and sell them in the system where they go for higher prices

5 Corporate/alliance managment - Some people are just born leaders, as such these people can train to be the heads of major corporations and alliances the more skilled they become the larger they can make the corp or alliance they have.

Not every player does jsut one thing, many players either have other characters that they use for specific tasks, some do a little of everything on the one character, you can pretty much do anything that you want as long as it dosnt violate the EULA. If you are looking for a game with more depth and where you make your own story and your own history then Eve is for you, feel free to log on and send me a message I will be more then happy to help out new players get adjusted, my pilots name is Katarina Arisdeed.

Good luck and fly safe

Ya know, MMO designers really have to do something about this "bad first impression" thing. I know having noobs go through a tedious initiation ritual is pretty much a necessity but there's gotta be some other method.

@Squeaksx
first, if you don't like eve, then there are 2 possible reasons, either you missed a few points of the game, or you didn't and simply don't like it. alone the fact that you never walk around in your character is reason enough to drive ppl away from eve.

since the game is massively complex, how would you like the tutorial to be? to include in a tutorial everything the game has to offer, you'd not be able to finish it within 4 weeks.
BUT, if you really like to learn more by tutorial AND don't want to ask the community about stuff you don't know or understand, you can create more chars with different careers and get a different tutorial for each one of them (that'd mean 3 tutorials) if not one for every specialization (6 different tutorials then). i hope that it's obvious (thanks to the help of some previous writers in this thread) that the best thing to do is asking the community.

As for the rest of the game, as sad as it might be, the game has some (if not a larger number of...) faults. for some decisions the developers made within the last 9 months i'd like to smack them square in the face with a glowing hot iron pipe... it'd be rather pointless to list them all, since in some cases they are opinion based, but obviously i like the game, otherwise i wouldn't be playing it.

i've come to accept the fact that there aren't any MMOGs without grind. and eve is no exception. but unlike most other MMOGs there are different kind of grinds you can choose among if you have the necessary skills. there is mining-grind, mission-running-grind, trading-grind, producing-grind,... and so on. so if you're bored with one grind, you can simply switch to another :D
as Stammer wrote, there is no leveling up grind, but for everything you seriously want to have in eve you need the ingame money, and larger amounts are only (fairly) acquired by grinding...

the combat mechanics are something that needs getting used to, but let me tell you, it's definitely much more than just left and right click action....
and the UI isn't the usual (i'm sure it applies now^^) WoW-clone.

seeing that some ppl already offered ingame help, give eve a chance to prove itself. take the offer and explore the eve universe, you may come to like it ;).
however it can't cure the itch for hacky-slashy :D

ElArabDeMagnifico:
Ya know, MMO designers really have to do something about this "bad first impression" thing. I know having noobs go through a tedious initiation ritual is pretty much a necessity but there's gotta be some other method.

i can understand why there are so many bad first impressions of eve (although the second i sat in my ship i loved the game, and two weeks later i crowned it the best MMOgame EVER^^ (don't forget... IMO)). I think the reason for that is, that unlike many ppl it seems, i didn't jump right into the game by downloading the client and playing, but visiting the website to get my first impressions.
it's not like you buy a game without reading it's cover first (if other pll told you why it's good, then you don't need to read, but i think you figured that out by yourself^^)

in EvE's case, who'd like to read everything the game has to offer right before he wants to start playing? also considering the fact that eve has so much to offer. i don't think that it would make the first impression of eve better if you'd bombard new players with tons of text. it's for the player to decide where he wants to get his first impression, and for that i'd recommend visiting the website first.

I haven't played EVE yet, but from what I gather EVE is basically an RTS version of an MMORPG. So if you fancy RTSs and MMOs there's good odds you'll find EVE impressive and nothing short of amazing due to it's level of imersion and depth...

...On the other hand, if you're like me and find RTSs boring and the crushing majority of MMO's characteristics mind numbing, then there's good odds you'll quickly ditch EVE for a good'ol round of...Anything else really...

To me, while EVE is a sci-fi "space" game, which is a point in it's favour, and a very immersive one at that, it's still basically the worst of both worlds: The boring and automated "point and click" action of an RTS, which I despise, together with the grind of MMOs which I loathe...So, not really the game for me...

In short, no, you're not thick, you just don't like it.

I don't know man. Eve is a hugely intricate game, with a lot of content. It's just so tedious.

I just think that it is too realistic for it's own good. As realistic as a space mmo can be.

meatloaf231:
I don't know man. Eve is a hugely intricate game, with a lot of content. It's just so tedious.

I just think that it is too realistic for it's own good. As realistic as a space mmo can be.

XD what a smooth transition...
this is one of the biggest points where opinions start to divert. eve's complexity is one of the things i like about it, for example.
edit: if you figure out all of the game mechanics within few hours of playing and the only fun that remains is completing the storyline or grinding it down, then the story better be good and/or the grind better not be boring....
for example: i've played WoW for a while (2 or 3 months) and the (maybe) funny thing about WoW's game mechanics is that there aren't many. there is some figuring out to do before you can call yourself a teamplayer, but it's not difficult to do so. the rest is just the same old boring grind in different surroundings.

some ppl just like simplicity, but i'm not one of them. and, as always, it's just a matter of taste

I played EvE for 3 months a year back and WISHED the game was more instant gratification.

It has the best graphics, community, economy in the MMO industry that I have ever seen!

I wish I could love this game but working two jobs and starting a family has defeated any chance I have of pushing on. And I think it is a real shame.

The coolest thing in EvE was after a few months I finally bought a 'bigger' ship and was all proud. A Core asked me to join and tag along for a minning event. So there I am ten minutes early getting ready to show off with my new ship. Then suddenly my screen is full of bloody planet sized ships!!! There I am with TWO minning lasers taking thirty minutes to fill my hold and these ships shoot these ship sized lazers at them. How 'small' did I feel?

EvE is the one game where the time invested really shows, and there are no short cuts!

My hats off to the Devs, one day I hope to see another successfull MMO (Buy the Warhammer 40K IP, PLEASE!!!)

ElArabDeMagnifico:
Ya know, MMO designers really have to do something about this "bad first impression" thing. I know having noobs go through a tedious initiation ritual is pretty much a necessity but there's gotta be some other method.

This is a general bane of all MMO's and I agree it needs to be fixed. CCP tried with EVE tho, the older tutorial took 12 hours =/

I think I was around when the tutorial was that long. I remember it took me forever to figure it out. Later on I tried it again and it felt much shorter. But yeah, the only MMORPG that is very noob-friendly is WoW, and that's one of the many BS reasons* why people play that game a lot. Even though it's ass compared to every other MMO during the latter 99% of the game, it's still played more because the first 1% is so much easier to get through and the game is so much easier to grasp.

Stammer:

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Amen to that. Even though EVE is quite lenient on the rules if someone fucks up badly enough to get banned it could happen within a matter of minutes. Thats a point, a plus side to EVE and a system I havnt seen in any other MMO's, contact with the GM's is quite literrally there at a push of the button. Not a bad thing considering the size of the server -_-

I join you in your views with EVE Online. I do enjoy space games, and there is a game I'm looking forward to. It's still in development, and will be for some time. Infinity: The Quest for Earth, presents us with many new things to look forward to, and while the main site does not get updated very often the forums are extremely active and the man who is making the game posts regularly.

http://www.infinity-universe.com/

I am glad he posts regularly. I am looking forward to this game as well and without his posts I would've considered it vapourware months ago.

Well, I have played Eve-O for several years now, and to echo everyone else, you need a good group of guys to make the game fun. Also, sure, it takes a whole heck of a lot longer to amass riches and good ships, but that makes it waaaay more rewarding when you PvP and kill a person, knowing that the stakes are has high as several months of training time and saving. If anyone has any further questions, or needs a good help channel, feel free to email me.

prophecy7777@gmail.com

And, for some comic relief-

http://208.116.9.205/10/graphics/pics/11392/1.jpg

*Wonders what Yahtzee would think of Eve-O*

WNxProphecy7777:

http://208.116.9.205/10/graphics/pics/11392/1.jpg

*Wonders what Yahtzee would think of Eve-O*

Pic has been posted on this forum several times. Last time was last week even ;)

I'd love to know to, but two weeks isnt enough to give it a go. Plus, he hates grind and dislikes mumorpugers.