I wish there was more Arbiter in Halo 3, in fact I wish there was more Halo 3 in general.
The Arbiter beat the Master Chief, in my opinion, as a better protagonist, as he shows the Human/Covenant war from the Covenant's point of view. That was one of the main reasons why I was a Halo fanboy in the beginning, before I discovered the wonders of Tim Schafer and Valve. I also didn't like the Master Chief's cracks. He also seemed less heroic than crazy in Halo 3.
Worst protagonist: Probably Squall from FF8. I didn't hate him, as such, but he was still a complete douche for a good guy.
I wish there was more Arbiter in Halo 3, in fact I wish there was more Halo 3 in general.
The arbiter beat the Master Chief, in my opinion, as a better protagonist, as he shows the Human/Covenant war from the Covenant's point of view. I also didn't like the Master Chief's cracks. He also seemed less heroic than crazy in Halo 3.
Worst protagonist: Probably Squall from FF8. I didn't hate him, as such, but he was still a complete douche for a good guy.
Your in the minority dude. (Very few are elites online and all elites are teamed on/team killed)
I wish there was more Arbiter in Halo 3, in fact I wish there was more Halo 3 in general.
The arbiter beat the Master Chief, in my opinion, as a better protagonist, as he shows the Human/Covenant war from the Covenant's point of view. I also didn't like the Master Chief's cracks. He also seemed less heroic than crazy in Halo 3.
Worst protagonist: Probably Squall from FF8. I didn't hate him, as such, but he was still a complete douche for a good guy.
Your in the minority dude. (Very few are elites online and all elites are teamed on/team killed)
Yeah, that's ACTUAL Halo fanboys for you. I enjoyed the story. I didn't actually feel hatred for the Covenant, because they were misled from the beginning. (What am I saying? Mustn't unleash the now-dead fanboy in me)
And TK-ers are even bigger douches than Squall. It's one of the MANY MANY reasons why I like TF2.
EDIT: Let's just say I enjoyed the concept of Halo 2 being a 2-sided game.
rowan-thats-me: worst protagonist? not really sure, probably, the guy from UT3 that bearly has a story line anyway.
As for the best, it has to go to Ethan Thomas, when hes in Condemned 2 anyway, how can you not love the angry, drunk, violent version of the chosen one?
C2 was such a clusterfuck, Yet so soothing... Now if he was irish and everytime he killed some he clicked his ankle thingy and drunk and talked in a lepchuren whatever way he could be voted as the "Best chosen one"
Probably Vaan or Tidus, they both seem pretty much the same to me. And what made it worse was that charecters like Auron or Balthier were made to play side roles when they were so much cooler.
Bulletinmybrain: [quotex=rowan-thats-me]worst protagonist? not really sure, probably, the guy from UT3 that bearly has a story line anyway.
As for the best, it has to go to Ethan Thomas, when hes in Condemned 2 anyway, how can you not love the angry, drunk, violent version of the chosen one?[/quote]
C2 was such a clusterfuck, Yet so soothing... Now if he was irish and everytime he killed some he clicked his ankle thingy and drunk and talked in a lepchuren whatever way he could be voted as the "Best chosen one"
haha fair enough but I do still love ethan thomas, also another great pratagonist, abe, which other hero comunicates with his freinds through a series of farts and whistles?
Yeah, that's ACTUAL Halo fanboys for you. I enjoyed the story. I didn't actually feel hatred for the Covenant, because they were misled from the beginning. (What am I saying? Mustn't unleash the now-dead fanboy in me)
Bulletinmybrain: [quotex=rowan-thats-me]worst protagonist? not really sure, probably, the guy from UT3 that bearly has a story line anyway.
As for the best, it has to go to Ethan Thomas, when hes in Condemned 2 anyway, how can you not love the angry, drunk, violent version of the chosen one?[/quote]
C2 was such a clusterfuck, Yet so soothing... Now if he was irish and everytime he killed some he clicked his ankle thingy and drunk and talked in a lepchuren whatever way he could be voted as the "Best chosen one"
haha fair enough but I do still love ethan thomas, also another great pratagonist, abe, which other hero comunicates with his freinds through a series of farts and whistles?
I like ethan thomas..I just hate the story..Who do you know CAN BLOW UP PEOPLES HEADS by just screaming? He would make screamos fans heads explode...Literally;)
Probably Captain Basch from Final Fantasy XII who goes "I'M CAPTAIN BASCH FON RONSENBERG OF DALMASCA." Gets amazingly annoying after a few times. And he says it nearly every time he talks.
Shadow the Hedgehog. "Gee, Sega Developer! We really like the Sonic series, but it just doesn't seem to be edgy enough for todays gaming demographic! No problem, Sega Executive! We'll make a game starring Shadow! And it'll be edgy because...he's black! And well have him curse! He'll say damn and heck! That'll be edgy enough for today's gamer!"
Yeah, that's ACTUAL Halo fanboys for you. I enjoyed the story. I didn't actually feel hatred for the Covenant, because they were misled from the beginning. (What am I saying? Mustn't unleash the now-dead fanboy in me)
Yeah, that's ACTUAL Halo fanboys for you. I enjoyed the story. I didn't actually feel hatred for the Covenant, because they were misled from the beginning. (What am I saying? Mustn't unleash the now-dead fanboy in me)
They killed all those people you know.
Killed all what people?
The Covenant killed billions of people on hundreds of colonies.
Yeah, that's ACTUAL Halo fanboys for you. I enjoyed the story. I didn't actually feel hatred for the Covenant, because they were misled from the beginning. (What am I saying? Mustn't unleash the now-dead fanboy in me)
They killed all those people you know.
Killed all what people?
The Covenant killed billions of people on hundreds of colonies.
They were still misled. I mean, KILL CIVILISATIONS TO GO ON A ROAD TRIP! FIGHT FOR YOUR RELIGION! They must have broken down at one point. That's why the Covenant is so successful.
Before you say that I am wrong, remember the REAL last scene in Halo 3 (The last scene and Legendary ending don't count):
First she goes off to chase a murderer, then eventually meets up with him once, then has sex with him that same night. The most peculiar thing is Lucas and what has happened to him in the meantime. That sick tramp.
They were still misled. I mean, KILL CIVILISATIONS TO GO ON A ROAD TRIP! FIGHT FOR YOUR RELIGION! They must have broken down at one point. That's why the Covenant is so successful.
Before you say that I am wrong, remember the REAL last scene in Halo 3 (The last scene and Legendary ending don't count):
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Notice the line "I can't forgive you" just because there "religion" said so is no excuse (not going to point something out I could)
I signed up to this website just for this.....and i cant believe NO1 has mentioned this douche bag yet.........
Desmond miles from assassins creed...what a stupid whining weak little girl. He cops all this crap from some old dude for no reason and just takes it like a beaten wife. I think he is the WEAKEST protagonist of all time....I believe he cant be beaten.
He's dull he's boring and the guy doing the voice acting was weak in his delivery and barely believable(the writing for his character didnt help).
They were still misled. I mean, KILL CIVILISATIONS TO GO ON A ROAD TRIP! FIGHT FOR YOUR RELIGION! They must have broken down at one point. That's why the Covenant is so successful.
Before you say that I am wrong, remember the REAL last scene in Halo 3 (The last scene and Legendary ending don't count):
Spoiler: Click to View
Notice the line "I can't forgive you" just because there "religion" said so is no excuse (not going to point something out I could)
Actually, yeah, it is an excuse, because WE used it as an excuse several times (Holy War mean anything to you? If not, arguably World War 2?). And, yeah, if an alien species wipes out a continent and enacts mass genocide, you wouldn't forgive them. At least they're helpful in the end, when they realize that what they're doing is wrong.
ok well 3 things 1) Raiden is just the shittiest character ever made, ever. 2) Raiden is like raiden out of mortal kombat, raiden is a thunder god. The name comes from the original japanese name raijin except the americans say it wrong and say Ray-Den just like how a lot of americans say Ninja Gay-Den. 3) We all know raiden sucks arse so let's move on shall we?
Actually, yeah, it is an excuse, because WE used it as an excuse several times (Holy War mean anything to you? If not, arguably World War 2?). And, yeah, if an alien species wipes out a continent and enacts mass genocide, you wouldn't forgive them. At least they're helpful in the end, when they realize that what they're doing is wrong.
Its not an excuse no matter who uses it. Helpful at what? Master Chief carry's the whole "alliance" I mean where are my elite buddies? Like 3 once and they're terrible.(Don't get me started on how the Whole Fucking UNSC only has like 14 Marines!.) Do I get Grunts or Hunters? Nope. I wonder how they got past Reach's Orbital MAC guns when the "Fleets" were so weak (Air support anyone?)
TheRealLastDance: I signed up to this website just for this.....and i cant believe NO1 has mentioned this douche bag yet.........
Desmond miles from assassins creed...what a stupid whining weak little girl. He cops all this crap from some old dude for no reason and just takes it like a beaten wife. I think he is the WEAKEST protagonist of all time....I believe he cant be beaten.
He's dull he's boring and the guy doing the voice acting was weak in his delivery and barely believable(the writing for his character didnt help).
In case you didn't realize, if Desmond did suddenly try and resist, they would kill him. A huge, evil, masterly minded company had him capture. He was based on how a real person would react. While you see the hero steal and a gun and than hold some important guy hostage to get out, it wouldn't really work. They would just send in guards and fill him with led shells.
Marcus Fenix of Gears of War fame would be pretty high up my list.
I know that the protagonists are *deliberately* meant to be annoying, but if I wanted bad action movie characters saying things like "They are starting to #*%& me off!" then I will watch a Stephen Segal movie.
TheRealLastDance: I signed up to this website just for this.....and i cant believe NO1 has mentioned this douche bag yet.........
Desmond miles from assassins creed...what a stupid whining weak little girl. He cops all this crap from some old dude for no reason and just takes it like a beaten wife. I think he is the WEAKEST protagonist of all time....I believe he cant be beaten.
He's dull he's boring and the guy doing the voice acting was weak in his delivery and barely believable(the writing for his character didnt help).
He's being held prisoner by an unreasonably powerful corporation. If he gives them any shit they'll torture him horribly then try again.
Looks to me like there are two different kinds of bad protagonist; the annoying and the unconvincing. As far as annoyance goes, I've never found one worse than Tidus from FF10. Love the game, but it would be substantially improved if the first thing Auron did at the start of the game was gag Tidus...
Unconvincing-wise, I'm tempted to start laying the hate on AFGNCAAPs (I'm looking at you, Mr. Freeman, even if you aren't technically faceless, nameless or gender-neutral), because playing through a whole game without my character having any motivation other than 'someone I've only just met told me to' is a bit unconvincing.
HOWEVER, there is a stratum below AFGNCAAPs, which is characters that the writer tried to make seem heroic and noble but who actually come off as naive idiots, like Vyse from my favourite punching bag, Skies of Arcadia. This is a guy who forgives anyone who attacks him, no matter how misguided or selfish their reasons. What's worse is that everyone he defeats undergoes some sort of bizarre conversion from callous thief/murderer/rapist/kidnapper to goody-two-shoes instantly, the moment he's nice the them. Convincing? I think not.
Oh, and then there's the moment where he arrives at his childhood best friend's prison cell to discover an enemy commander in the process of sexually assaulting her and before he attacks the man, pauses to make a wisecrack about how maybe she'd like to be left alone with him. That made my skin crawl.
So, overall, Vyse is the worst character I can remember playing as.
Actually, yeah, it is an excuse, because WE used it as an excuse several times (Holy War mean anything to you? If not, arguably World War 2?). And, yeah, if an alien species wipes out a continent and enacts mass genocide, you wouldn't forgive them. At least they're helpful in the end, when they realize that what they're doing is wrong.
Its not an excuse no matter who uses it. Helpful at what? Master Chief carry's the whole "alliance" I mean where are my elite buddies? Like 3 once and they're terrible.(Don't get me started on how the Whole Fucking UNSC only has like 14 Marines!.) Do I get Grunts or Hunters? Nope. I wonder how they got past Reach's Orbital MAC guns when the "Fleets" were so weak (Air support anyone?)
That's something I didn't get either. In Halo 2, Cortana mentions that Regret "Didn't expect anyone to be on Earth," yet it never elaborates on why, or why he had such a small fleet. Also, it's no doubting that the Chief is a one man army (Who really needs the Marines or Elites, anyway?), so why give him Hunters? Anyways, you'd expect relationships to be flimsy between them. (You're busy wiping out the only threat against you, but one escapes, running to the place that you idolize, and subsequently blowing it up. You WOULD be pretty pissed off, especially when the guy that did that goes ahead and proves to you that you're enacting mass genocide for a hokey religion!)
That's something I didn't get either. In Halo 2, Cortana mentions that Regret "Didn't expect anyone to be on Earth," yet it never elaborates on why, or why he had such a small fleet. Also, it's no doubting that the Chief is a one man army (Who really needs the Marines or Elites, anyway?), so why give him Hunters? Anyways, you'd expect relationships to be flimsy between them. (You're busy wiping out the only threat against you, but one escapes, running to the place that you idolize, and subsequently blowing it up. You WOULD be pretty pissed off, especially when the guy that did that goes ahead and proves to you that you're enacting mass genocide for a hokey religion!)
Um its because they thought Reach was the homeworld and Earth was a shrineworld (why I asked why did they get past Reach since it seems the ship the elites have in Halo 3 suck). The rest I write off to lazy programming (There are games that came out before Halo 3 with more and better buddies)
scary corperation?....lol...you mean an old moron in a building....i didnt see anything scary there...just a bitch who liked being screwd up the ass. Give me a break.
Desmond miles is easily the WORST protagonist ever. I didnt even want him to survive...
I disagree there.
I wish there was more Arbiter in Halo 3, in fact I wish there was more Halo 3 in general.
The Arbiter beat the Master Chief, in my opinion, as a better protagonist, as he shows the Human/Covenant war from the Covenant's point of view. That was one of the main reasons why I was a Halo fanboy in the beginning, before I discovered the wonders of Tim Schafer and Valve.
I also didn't like the Master Chief's cracks. He also seemed less heroic than crazy in Halo 3.
Worst protagonist: Probably Squall from FF8. I didn't hate him, as such, but he was still a complete douche for a good guy.