AntiAntagonist:

yourkie1921:
I am anti-feminist. The thing is feminism=/= equality.

Look it up. I'm a feminist guy.

The term "feminism" has several connotations. However most people confuse it with "feminazi", both the mistaken connotation and the term "feminazi" were created by those who disagree with either liberalism or equality, as their needs may be.

Every time I hear someone say they're a feminist they're a feminazi so it's easier to assume when someone says feminist they mean feminazi.

can you imagine people saying mega man 2 has a message that in the future we better watch out or giant fan chested robot will come and kill your family and have sex with all the power outlets

THAT SOUNDS AWESOME!

I was literally rofl when i saw that one post on the gamepolitics website. Thats freakin great. I wonder what they had to say about that one, the concept artist also being a girl lmao.

All this bickering over a cute little game.

yourkie1921:
Every time I hear someone say they're a feminist they're a feminazi so it's easier to assume when someone says feminist they mean feminazi.

That's cool. I've not heard many people refer to themselves as feminist, but due to misappropriation of the word (not by you) I take the time to clarify when I can.

The problem with much of the vitriolic positions of pundits and activists is that much of their motivation is based on their personal life. While that's understandable if it is left unchecked (without reasoned critical thinking) it can create a bad public image for an otherwise noble endeavor.

lord kamina:
a game should just be played for fun and be enjoyed if you dont like what you see oh well, i have never sat down and looked at a game for its deep meaning or its message i never stopped whilst playing call of duty and said "oh my god war is wrong..." i feel thats what makes allot of people today into pretentious twats can you imagine people saying mega man 2 has a message that in the future we better watch out or giant fan chested robot will come and kill your family and have sex with all the power outlets

Games can be both. I love that Seaman got me to think about the existentialism. Not for everyone, but then neither is Welcome to the Dollhouse.

I'm glad to see this is turning into more of a discussion than a rant. Some of those earlier posts were atrociously sexist and a little bit stereotypical from a gaming nerd.

Does anyone else still find this wildly amusing?

Just think about it for a moment, think hard about the entire thing, and even when you feel you're looking too deep into it, keep thinking...the humor is there and let me tell you folks it's fucking priceless...

Isaac Dodgson:
Does anyone else still find this wildly amusing?

Just think about it for a moment, think hard about the entire thing, and even when you feel you're looking too deep into it, keep thinking...the humor is there and let me tell you folks it's fucking priceless...

I like you. You see the world....right. Did you enjoy the ps3 crowd's reaction to FF13 going non exclusive?

Decoy Doctorpus:

Isaac Dodgson:
Does anyone else still find this wildly amusing?

Just think about it for a moment, think hard about the entire thing, and even when you feel you're looking too deep into it, keep thinking...the humor is there and let me tell you folks it's fucking priceless...

I like you. You see the world....right. Did you enjoy the ps3 crowd's reaction to FF13 going non exclusive?

Ehh, most of us got over that.

Still thinking here........errggh, my brain's mush now from the summer......still thinking....

It's a video game. Is Dead rising offensive to zombies? If games weren't racey, I wouldn't play them. Who likes being P.C. all the time, I can do that outside. Thank the makers for the chance to live out a fantasy of mine as being a vengfull fat princess!

RentCavalier:
The woman writing that article has no real right to be upset. I'm a little sick of fat people getting indignant when they are mocked or portrayed negatively in the public eye. Now, for the record, I don't really care about a woman's weight--I actually prefer a bit of fat to a girl--but it does bug me when fat people get all up in arms about this. I hate to break it to you, but you're fat for a reason, and more often than not, that reason is because you eat a lot and you don't exercise.

Why does the ability to change a characteristic give people the right to mock you or portray you negatively in the public eye? Do you think it's acceptable to make fun of people for their religion--people change their religion all the time. How about their nationality? People change their citizenship all the time. Sex/gender? You can get that changed too these days.

I understand where you're coming from: the idea we've all been fed is that we protect only immutable characteristics. That's not true though: we protect plenty of things that people could change if they wanted.

The Necroswanson does not know how to feel about this game.
One one hand, it's a vicous tactic to prevent the other team from reclaiming the princess.
On the other hand, it's kind of a creepy concept. Either way, this blogger lady simply sounds like a douche.

I can sort of see where she's coming from in her arguements, having finally read the blog as my browser keeps crashing, but she does forget one thing...

Being overweight is unhealthy and you're less happy, you're slower, you hate the way you look more often and you have more health risks. Implying that people SHOULD be overweight is as bad as saying that people SHOULD be underweight. Though I suppose the counterweight is needed as society is currently in favor of everone being underweight rather than of a good healthy weight.

(from now on i will refer "FAT" as "large" or any other synonyms)

What ticks me off about some of these large "velomtuous" women feminists/feminazis/whatever is that the groups that promote these overweight people say that it's "okay" to be fat and that "you can be whomever you want to be! Beauty is only skin deep!" and all that crap.

It's not that large people are ugly by anymeans, you can be emotionaly beautiful and stuff, it's just that it's not healthy to be overweight. It's not okay to be "voluptuous", it's unhealthy and dangerous.

Instead of helping their self confidence about being "huge", they should help their self confidence to be healthy or atleast try to be healthy. I know about matabolisms and such, but even if yuo have a bad one you can still keep it in control if you excersise and eat right. It won't be easy, but nothing is so stop complaining and get to work.

And for people who are saying "it's just a game!", even games can cross a line somewhere. Does anyone remember "Custer's Revenge"? Or "Gotcha!"? Games have and always will cross a line, and i can understand why some people would be offended (except for the stupid blogers with completely irrelevant facts)

I honestly don't know if i'm answering anything, I'm just randomly saying what comes to my mind now.

AH yes, I forgot that some of those people can convert some of that fat to muscle. They would still look large but it would be much healthier to have some muscle.

but the only thing I can't figure out is why anyone would want to rescue a fat princess in the first place, since everyone knows that fat girls are unlovable human garbage at whom any sensible bloke would sooner hurl invective than cast a longing glance.

well, at least you can admit it you pathetic poor me feel sorry for me because I am overweight...person... It's humor, it's not meant to be insulting. Lighten up for god's sake. Yeah, it's ok to "make fun of"* them because it's something they can change, it's up to them' it's up to them' it's up to them not society, society doesn't give a damn if you were made fun of in junior high because guess what now your 30 something(?) and just pissing and moaning on the internet about it. So, once again, your problem, not ours. If you're fat then yu can at least try to do somethign about it to a least say that you tried. This however is just a lame cop out. You're not unlovable human garbage because you're fat, you're unlovable human garbage because that's the person you are. Society shouldn't dictate anything, anything at all, but sadly that's a truth we have to deal with. People are assholes, get used to it. But not everyone is out to get you or make fun of fat people. They're just trying to have fun and make fun for others. I garentee you that more then one person making hte game is overweight. So, to sum it up SHUT UP.

*That makes it sound worse then it really is

Isaac Dodgson:
Does anyone else still find this wildly amusing?

Just think about it for a moment, think hard about the entire thing, and even when you feel you're looking too deep into it, keep thinking...the humor is there and let me tell you folks it's fucking priceless...

I'm not sure if I'm laughing for the same reason you're laughing, but it can't be too far off...

I can understand why said blogger could be offended, the game mentioning fat people and all, but you can't get all up in flames every time someone says something mean to you, or you'll get nowhere. Teh intrawebs are filled with such sub-human trolls, and at some point you need to learn to regarrd them as such and move on with your life.

what i think is silly is this woman trying to pass her voluntary circumstances as some kind of accidental condition, like she was born with a big nose or something.

this approach, in a way, marginalizes more serious issues like racism.

there is no race of fat people... there are just some people that happen to be fat. pretending that she represents some sort of same minded coalition is just ubsurd and in reality, she isn't fighting for anybody. she's just a bitter arrogant woman who thinks it's easier to change the whole world rather than to change herself.

PEWPEWGreenLaser:
*sigh* When will fat people stop crying about being fat and just hit the gym? (Also, don't read the comments. Made me want to vomit. One of these days people will realize that the best way to get people to take them seriously as a subsection of the population is to stop waving their banners that say, "I'M DIFFERENT! BUT DON'T TREAT ME DIFFERENT!")

Anyway, now that that's out of my system, I fail to see where the author finds fault with the game, all I got was a heavy helping of "omfg fu sony, fat is beautiful. Also, girls rock! Wooo!"

Get. Over. Yourselves.

In the interest of full disclosure, I am what you might describe as corpulent. I'm not a house, by any means, but I'm definitely heavy. This isn't something I'm ashamed of, however, and it's sure as shit not something that's going to make me blame my own diminished sense of self-worth out on some faceless corporation. It's also something people are in TOTAL CONTROL OF CHANGING. Don't like being fat and unattractive? Go to the fucking gym and eat better, fatty McFatfat.

I could see being offended if you were rushing in to rescue a prince and the opposing team kept exposing him to the gay as a way to keep you from being able to rescue him...

PS: Also, this game looks amazing and I'm going to buy it day 1 and recommend that all of my friends do the same.

PPS: If this game is anti-feminist, these chicks must HATE Super Mario Bros...

PPPS: I lied, there is some comment gold in that blog. Like this.

Well put!

I for one think that this game shows alot of innovation, if not in gameplay then certainly storlyine.
People forget that games are there to be played, enjoyed and admired in some cases. This title certianly looks charming and stylistic.
I wish people would get over themselves and stop pigeon-holing creativity as derogatory.
It's not like they've chained up a dying dog in a museum and starved it to death, then proceeded to call it art.

http://allthecritters.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/a-dying-dog-is-called-a-work-of-art/

That to me is where you draw the line on expressive media, if this game depicted a fat chick chained up in a room and dying then yes... i reckon you'd warrant some kind of complaint against it. But until that game surfaces SHUT UP AND HIT THE GYM!

danosaurus:
I for one think that this game shows alot of innovation, if not in gameplay then certainly storlyine.
People forget that games are there to be played, enjoyed and admired in some cases. This title certianly looks charming and stylistic.
I wish people would get over themselves and stop pigeon-holing creativity as derogatory.
It's not like they've chained up a dying dog in a museum and starved it to death, then proceeded to call it art.

http://allthecritters.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/a-dying-dog-is-called-a-work-of-art/

That to me is where you draw the line on expressive media, if this game depicted a fat chick chained up in a room and dying then yes... i reckon you'd warrant some kind of complaint against it. But until that game surfaces SHUT UP AND HIT THE GYM!

There was another case like this with i think a Dutch man drowning a kitten and calling it art.

Though how the cat reacted was I think grossly hyperbolized, it was still sick and wrong.

". . .since everyone knows that fat girls are unlovable human garbage at whom any sensible bloke would sooner hurl invective than cast a longing glance."

well. . . i mean. . . .

yeah.

BallPtPenTheif:
what i think is silly is this woman trying to pass her voluntary circumstances as some kind of accidental condition, like she was born with a big nose or something.

this approach, in a way, marginalizes more serious issues like racism.

I seriously disagree with that. Wouldn't anything that pushes the idea that a person's insides shouldn't be judged by what their outsides look like necessarily have a positive effect on an issue like racism? The idea that if people look different than us they're still just as human?

Can't think of a better way to get fat racists to be less racist than by showing them that the ideology behind tolerance for people with different colored skin is an ideology behind tolerance for people with...lots more skin, i.e. people just like them.

Nothing rallies people to your cause quicker than showing them that it's *their* cause too.

eggdog14:

". . .since everyone knows that fat girls are unlovable human garbage at whom any sensible bloke would sooner hurl invective than cast a longing glance."

well. . . i mean. . . .

yeah.

I'd hit it.

and what aspect of the game is a misnotion that she finds offensive?

that morbidly obese women are immobile or slow?
that morbidly obses women are difficult to lift?

other than the rapid way in which the princess becomes obese, every other represented aspect of the game seems on the money.

Wow, I love her cute little hands with her stubby little fingers... Okay, I am going to vomit if I don't stop this... One last thing... Maybe if she got rid of the MUSTACHE and the attitude, she wouldn't be so disliked by EVERYBODY....

I remember once, there was this fat bitch in California that sued the DMV because her Randomly generated License Plate number was something like FAT3657. Naturally, she was a fat white woman. Is anyone else surprised? No? Me neither.

The idiocy of these people isn't surprising considering how most self-proclaimed feminists are actually sexist themselves. I swear, modern feminism is just one big irony.

I can kind of see how someone could be offended by this, but at the same time we all know very well that this would be the type of bitch to complain that no damsel in distress is a fat, grotesque lard like she is. So, if a game about fat chicks makes this fat chick mad, I'll support it fully.

Joeshie:
The idiocy of these people isn't surprising considering how most self-proclaimed feminists are actually sexist themselves. I swear, modern feminism is just one big irony.

There's actually three waves of Feminism, and the original Suffragists were the non-violent protestors who paved the way for the Suffragettes, who took to the big flashy movements to get their point across.

Each wave of feminism seems to think the others are not far enough/too far, but they fail to focus on what they want to change, rather than what they want to achieve.

Mainly because gender/orientation doesn't work against nepotism or favouritism, which are the main components for the 'glass ceiling'.

If we were heading for 'Universal Sufferage' though, I'd be behind it all the way.

As for 'fat chicks'...which male doesn't find Nigella Lawson sexy? Or Chaka Khan?

The problem with the woman whose complaining about it is she's using equally sexist viewpoints herself, and is drawing attention to her own size.

If she just shush and got on with her life, no-one would have paid her the slightest bit of...

Oh, that's the point, isn't it? 15 minutes and all that...

Cheeze_Pavilion:

RentCavalier:
The woman writing that article has no real right to be upset. I'm a little sick of fat people getting indignant when they are mocked or portrayed negatively in the public eye. Now, for the record, I don't really care about a woman's weight--I actually prefer a bit of fat to a girl--but it does bug me when fat people get all up in arms about this. I hate to break it to you, but you're fat for a reason, and more often than not, that reason is because you eat a lot and you don't exercise.

Why does the ability to change a characteristic give people the right to mock you or portray you negatively in the public eye? Do you think it's acceptable to make fun of people for their religion--people change their religion all the time. How about their nationality? People change their citizenship all the time. Sex/gender? You can get that changed too these days.

I understand where you're coming from: the idea we've all been fed is that we protect only immutable characteristics. That's not true though: we protect plenty of things that people could change if they wanted.

But we DO mock people for their religion, nationality, and sex. That's just the thing--most humor, at least good humor, is notoriously unPC. I'm not saying that it is neccessarily right to mock or harass or dehumanize anyone based on outside appearance, but...well, let's take a point from George Carlin.

Words aren't bad. Its the intention behind those words that can be bad. You can make Jew jokes all the time, for example, but there's a difference between making a joke about something for the purpose to entertain or amuse and making a joke or hateful comment about something for the purpose to make another person feel bad or inferior. Comedy, traditionally, is one of the most honest platforms we have--a great amount, a GREAT amount of social criticism, commentary and debate is brought up in Comedy--the truth is a hard pill to swallow, and comedy, wrapped around a nugget of truth, is much like a glass of water to ease that pill down. I say, go ahead. Make jokes, tease, poke, prode, insult, question--those are American freedoms, and that is what Free Speech exists for. Mock if you must, so long as you don't do it hurtfully.

Plus, this game isn't so much anti-fat as it is logical. I mean, if you want to make it hard to rescue a princess, ballooning her up to 500 pounds is a pretty good tactic. It's not anti-fat--its just true. It takes a LOT of effort to relocate a 500 pound ANYTHING when under enemy fire, survellance or guard. It makes sense, and if you get offended well, frankly, chill the fuck out, eh?

That's my stance.

God! I could rant about this for hours. I see it all boiling down to this. Fat people are under represented in games because they physically can't do a lot of this that thin, athletic people can. e.g. flying roundhouse kicks to the face in soul calibur
Also, most game creators realize that the majority of people don't want to follow round a main character that is fat and for the majority of people fat is unattractive. I mean, at least GTA allows the player to become fat if he or she wishes.
I think this obese feminist just has low self esteem, and really, she makes such a big deal out of this game because really, playing games one of the things she can actually do instead of going out for a jog, and play sports, etc. Maybe the answer to america's obesity problem is to fit thinner doors to Game stores...

stay tuned for next week it will be: WHY AREN'T THERE FAT PEOPLE AT THE OLYMPICS?!?!?!

Darth Mobius:

thedrop2zer0:
From what I gather...the enemy who captured the *thin* princess stuffed her with food and made her into a *fat* princess so it would be difficult for her rescuers to carry her away. I don't see a reason to get up-in-arms about it. It's not bashing or making fun of overweight people. Perhaps the name offended that woman? Frankly, I think her ridiculous rant speaks more about her own self-confidence issues than it does about a game that's anti feminist or discriminating.

Actually, looking at the premise, RESCUE THE FAT GIRL, I think it PROMOTES the love of fat girls, but hey, My ex-wife was a fat, ugly, conniving, Manipulative, bitch, and I will never trust fat women again because of it... So what do I know? Maybe I am just being insensitive again? I don't think so, though.

You'll never trust fat women again?

Wow, Jallil is making great strides with you. Wasn't so long ago you'd never again trust any women.

And congratulations to Shamtee for realizing that happiness isn't just about dress size. Some people live long lives without ever being happy because of not fitting some stereotype.