All over the internet, you hear these guys saying that one way or another gaming is doomed. We all know that PC gaming will stay until they eventually phase out the computer and even then it will just migrate to this new technology.

But console gaming is different. It could very well be destroyed, considering it has happened before. There are a number of theories as to why - Laws stifling creativity or banning interactive media alltogether (give Jack Thompson any influence and it'll happen), cannibalistion of the audience (see this video someone else put up today), the entire industry going broke (another link to an article, in case you think I'm making it up), and so on, but they all seem to predict that gaming is doomed. Do you buy it? Can it be averted? Or is it all just the ravings of people on the internet?

Umm not to be a douche, but I have never heard of that. I HAVE, that said, heard the same said about PC gaming ad nauseum . . .

Ok there's a thread saying PC gaming is dying, console gaming is dying and gaming in general is dying.
Also there's an apocalypse somewhere in between those.

Way i see it, consoles are becoming more and more like PC's every generation. As well all know, PC gaming will probably outlive any console, but the funny thing is, console gaming is essentially becoming PC gaming. Consoles will evolve to the point where they are no different from PC, so in a manner of speaking, console gaming will be PC gaming. I find it hard to say what I want to say probably but hopefully you get what i mean.

I think alot of the problems with console gaming (specifically the older people who rave about the PS3 relying on graphics and complaining about realistic cloth simulation) are heavily exagerated and that Consoles will stay around for a while.

As some people have said before me, it's a matter of when the line between Console and PC will blur amd we get the Ponsole.

or the CC (pronounced key-see)

I hope console games are destroyed, and all of our console technology is sent back thirty years so gaming has to start all over again.

You talk about PC merging with some new technology, maybe consoles will follow that path and we will have one type of machine made by a bunch of different companies with trivial differences.

It was my impression that PC gaming was the dead medium. The lack of analog control is immediately crippling as well as the fact that there are only two companies left that make PC exclusives.

The article you linked failed the moment he started talking about HD televisions. The simple fact of the matter is that the new tv's are here and people will essentially be forced to upgrade to such a set because that is all they make now. Furthermore standard definition signals just look like ass on anything capable of high definition resolutions. The whole HDTV thing is a phenomena independent of gaming consoles. Other than that I would say that he is more or less correct if and only if the tidal wave of crap continues. We've seen small instances of this already in the rebellion against the WWII shooter. As far as averting a catastrophy I would say that simply not making shooters for about five years or at least actually TRYING to do something with shooters would do the trick. Oh and stop the avalanche of shit on the Wii as well.

no the problems will be fixed. they silenced-pistol jack thompson in his sleep, the companies will learn to have a modicum of restraint when it comes to production budgets, and the companies will learn the importance of their consumers (not bending over backwards for every little whim, but being reasonable).
this might force companies to promote innovation. maybe...
or the bright side-- they might run out of money for servers, causing companies to make actual single player again. or at least local co-op.

If console gaming were to die out, it would have to have the same conditions as the 80s crash and that condition would be to have a plethorea of crap out everywhere with barely any good titles.

Say what you want about todays titles, many of them are fun and they are succesful unlike the many crap games in the 80s crash.

Gaming won't die. The dick cheese juggernauts like Microsoft and Sony will probably find they can no longer fund their insanely expensive games, and some day duck out. But that will bring back the small, creative, and GOOD companies. I man think about it, all those little companies died out/bought out as Sony and Microsoft hit the scene. They'll be gone, and the good companies will repopulate.

TheNecroswanson:
Gaming won't die. The dick cheese juggernauts like Microsoft and Sony will probably find they can no longer fund their insanely expensive games, and some day duck out. But that will bring back the small, creative, and GOOD companies. I man think about it, all those little companies died out/bought out as Sony and Microsoft hit the scene. They'll be gone, and the good companies will repopulate.

I could see MS dropping out, though I'm not sure about Sony. Though I think the better one to drop out would be MS ;P if it wasn't for Sony we wouldn't get advancements in technology for each console created (PS1; more space to work on (CD), PS2; DVD player, PSP; multimedia centre that's not a phone, PS3; making Blu-ray into a dominant format) and if it wasn't for Nintendo we wouldn't get some innovation in the technology. Sony and Nintendo fit in like bread and butter, and (IMHO) MS is the awkward cardboard in the sandwhich.

SteinFaust:
no the problems will be fixed. they silenced-pistol jack thompson in his sleep, the companies will learn to have a modicum of restraint when it comes to production budgets, and the companies will learn the importance of their consumers (not bending over backwards for every little whim, but being reasonable).
this might force companies to promote innovation. maybe...
or the bright side-- they might run out of money for servers, causing companies to make actual single player again. or at least local co-op.

What games don't have local co-op?

Too Human comes to mind but there are definetly other recent games that lack local co-op which is lame even though I don't use it much anymore.

shadow skill:
Too Human comes to mind but there are definetly other recent games that lack local co-op which is lame even though I don't use it much anymore.

well yeah, but Too Human is a bad game.

Indigo_Dingo:

SteinFaust:
no the problems will be fixed. they silenced-pistol jack thompson in his sleep, the companies will learn to have a modicum of restraint when it comes to production budgets, and the companies will learn the importance of their consumers (not bending over backwards for every little whim, but being reasonable).
this might force companies to promote innovation. maybe...
or the bright side-- they might run out of money for servers, causing companies to make actual single player again. or at least local co-op.

What games don't have local co-op?

Battlefield Bad Company, PS3 UT3 didn't have local Co-Op. That's only two I can think of right now.

they may die but people will make thier own. Graphics will suffer for a while but story and gameplay will prevail for a while

I think Console gaming will die when almost every game is an FPS. Since they are the most profitable, and with the high prices of making shiny games you're going to need those high profits. And when everything's the same no one will buy the new FPSes when they already have one's that are just as fun to play.

A way to aviod this is to make kids games, but that will make gaming restart from the beginning.

This thread is rather stupid.

And in 2000 the computers will fail and we will all be killed.

frontier psychiatrist:
This thread is rather stupid.

I'm not the one who made the theories, I'm just asking "do you believe them?"

God i hope not, i'll have to play rugby.

Reaperman Wompa:
God i hope not, i'll have to play rugby.

... Shit, my small frame will snap.

Anyways, do I think console gaming will die? Nah, you'll always have the gamer who wants a simple way to play games deeper than those flash ones online, so they'll always be a market. At least, that's what I reckon.

Jumplion:
I could see MS dropping out, though I'm not sure about Sony. Though I think the better one to drop out would be MS ;P if it wasn't for Sony we wouldn't get advancements in technology for each console created (PS1; more space to work on (CD), PS2; DVD player, PSP; multimedia centre that's not a phone, PS3; making Blu-ray into a dominant format) and if it wasn't for Nintendo we wouldn't get some innovation in the technology. Sony and Nintendo fit in like bread and butter, and (IMHO) MS is the awkward cardboard in the sandwich.

Actually, if you look at it, both are doing good enough to not die off this generation. None of them are selling as bad as the Gamecube, right? Both companies are big enough to take the blows, and they'll most likely last to at least next round.

[quote=Jumplion post=9.69003.646719

I could see MS dropping out, though I'm not sure about Sony. Though I think the better one to drop out would be MS ;P if it wasn't for Sony we wouldn't get advancements in technology for each console created (PS1; more space to work on (CD), PS2; DVD player, PSP; multimedia centre that's not a phone, PS3; making Blu-ray into a dominant format) and if it wasn't for Nintendo we wouldn't get some innovation in the technology. Sony and Nintendo fit in like bread and butter, and (IMHO) MS is the awkward cardboard in the sandwhich.[/quote]

MS won't drop out. At least not in the next few years, they have far to much money and can eat losses. Plus they are finally turning profits in their gaming devision.

I would say Sony is more likely to drop out. They are really losing a lot of money on the Ps3 announcing that they have lost more then the ps2 made in its zenith selling period.

Also, The Sega Saturn came out before the Ps1 and used disc technology, and before that was the Sega CD! Sony has a tendency to copy others innovations. (Not to say I don't like them. I am enjoying my Ps3 quite a bit.)

Anywho, gaming is a gigantic moneymaker right now. In fact, gaming is estimated to reach a 60 billion dollar revenue by 2013. A large portion of this comes from the consoles. So those of us who are console gamers don't have much to worry about for the time being. Lastly, I do think that PC's and consoles will eventually become the same thing way down the line.

I'm sorta on a "Yes maybe no I don't know" thing here so I picked some time in the undefinable future, games won't die, but games as we know them will, the wii is a symbol of that.

Console games won't ever totally die...they may end up just having a hardcore audience with little casual appeal. Who knows? But there will always be some kind of market for them.

aquacoma:

Jumplion:

I could see MS dropping out, though I'm not sure about Sony. Though I think the better one to drop out would be MS ;P if it wasn't for Sony we wouldn't get advancements in technology for each console created (PS1; more space to work on (CD), PS2; DVD player, PSP; multimedia centre that's not a phone, PS3; making Blu-ray into a dominant format) and if it wasn't for Nintendo we wouldn't get some innovation in the technology. Sony and Nintendo fit in like bread and butter, and (IMHO) MS is the awkward cardboard in the sandwhich.

MS won't drop out. At least not in the next few years, they have far to much money and can eat losses. Plus they are finally turning profits in their gaming devision.

I would say Sony is more likely to drop out. They are really losing a lot of money on the Ps3 announcing that they have lost more then the ps2 made in its zenith selling period.

Also, The Sega Saturn came out before the Ps1 and used disc technology, and before that was the Sega CD! Sony has a tendency to copy others innovations. (Not to say I don't like them. I am enjoying my Ps3 quite a bit.)

Anywho, gaming is a gigantic moneymaker right now. In fact, gaming is estimated to reach a 60 billion dollar revenue by 2013. A large portion of this comes from the consoles. So those of us who are console gamers don't have much to worry about for the time being. Lastly, I do think that PC's and consoles will eventually become the same thing way down the line.

You forget - Microsoft have boxed themselves into a corner. They have to complete with the Ps3, but while Blu-ray is only beginning - going through the same life cycle that DVD had in terms of game storage, the 360 is still on old tech. They could make a new console that uses Blu-Ray, but then who the hell is gonna be stupid enough to buy yet another Microsoft console only four years after the old one?

They are also behind in sales if you discount the early lead (and that is fast closing), and things are only going to get worse (There will be only Chaos....)

it is more likely that pc gaming is doomed on the console's will rule!

Let's just say the next generation has to be good... I'm not the only one that feels like jumping the console band wagon.

Don't know why this came to mind, but it literally hurts me to read about all those TF2 updates for PC. It's why I'm not buying Left4Dead for 360, console releases always seem to pale pail? in comparison to their PC counterparts.

Aquacoma Sony didn't announce that, someone did say it but it did not actually come from sony.

aquacoma:

Jumplion:
I could see MS dropping out, though I'm not sure about Sony. Though I think the better one to drop out would be MS ;P if it wasn't for Sony we wouldn't get advancements in technology for each console created (PS1; more space to work on (CD), PS2; DVD player, PSP; multimedia centre that's not a phone, PS3; making Blu-ray into a dominant format) and if it wasn't for Nintendo we wouldn't get some innovation in the technology. Sony and Nintendo fit in like bread and butter, and (IMHO) MS is the awkward cardboard in the sandwhich.

MS won't drop out. At least not in the next few years, they have far to much money and can eat losses. Plus they are finally turning profits in their gaming devision.

I would say Sony is more likely to drop out. They are really losing a lot of money on the Ps3 announcing that they have lost more then the ps2 made in its zenith selling period.

Also, The Sega Saturn came out before the Ps1 and used disc technology, and before that was the Sega CD! Sony has a tendency to copy others innovations. (Not to say I don't like them. I am enjoying my Ps3 quite a bit.)

Anywho, gaming is a gigantic moneymaker right now. In fact, gaming is estimated to reach a 60 billion dollar revenue by 2013. A large portion of this comes from the consoles. So those of us who are console gamers don't have much to worry about for the time being. Lastly, I do think that PC's and consoles will eventually become the same thing way down the line.

That is true but for one those consoles weren't that great of a success and it's focus weren't many 3D games. The PS1 focused mainly on 3D games and from a hardware perspective it was much more powerful than any of the other systems. And you forget, the exact same thing happend with every one of Sony's consoles from the PS1, PS2, PSP, and PS3.

I've explained it time and time again, but the basic gist of it is that developers whine about development for the system, a few years later (around 2 or 3 years) there are plenty of games that are just awesome. You want proof? Look at the PS2, in it's first year or so there were barely any games SHOCKING! Later on though there were many games for everyone to enjoy. It was the same thing with the PS1 it was the same thing with the PSP and it's the same thing with the PS3.

And as Indigo said before me, the PS3 has been making money alot faster in it's first year compared to the 360s first year.

And let's not forget that Sony has other gaming divisions like SOE, SCEA, SCEJ, and I think one more that I can't remember. They're not going to all of a sudden drop their gaming divisions because it's not profitable anymore. MS (to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong) only has one gaming division, Microsoft Gaming studios and since it's so easy to convert PC games to 360 and vice versa then they don't need another division. And as Indigo said, they've basically huddled themselves into a corner. If people don't trust Microsoft with their computers then what makes you think they'll trust them AGAIN with their console?

I just can't wait untill they release keyboard and mouse as standard to consoles. It will happen eventually.

(I know it's happened before, in terms of a mouse anyway with some of the Tycoon games released on the PS1 etc.) Gosh that made me feel old.

i suppose pc gaming has the upper hand cos you can always update pcs with new hardware etc, but consoles are pretty much the same from when you buy it till u buy a new one. thats changing for example with the ps3's 'futureproof' technology and such