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Beat Writer  Posts: 217 Joined: 11 Aug 2008     | I think you might be underestimating the average persons drive to get free stuff. Just because there are 1 million dummy torrents,(this is pretty much the case with limewire anyways)it won't stop people from searching for that 1 good torrent, plus people will compile lists of good and bad torrents so people will avoid the bad one anyways. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 174 Joined: 7 Jun 2008 | Yes, I have a problem, how else am I suppose to get games that are no longer made? I only download games that you have to pay $80 or so on eBay to get. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1464 Joined: 2 Jan 2008     | Why would you ever want to stop pir-- *cough* Not that I'm advocating video game piracy, and I certainly don't do it myself, but people are always going to find a new way to get digital media for free. The torrent sites would strike back with their own countermeasures to weed out dummy torrents, and, like Not a Spy said, people would compile lists of good and bad torrents. |
Red Guard  Posts: 1754 Joined: 16 Dec 2007     | The legality of "bombing" private networks is questionable at best. You don't go after thieves by robbing their houses. Plus, if you start making these public trackers unreliable they'll just go to a membership style site where they can ban the spammers. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2792 Joined: 20 Dec 2007     | Alright, so DRM and securom - BAD and Unreliable Dummy Torrents - BAD and Unreliable CD-Keys - Unreliable Suing the pirates - didn't work for the music industry Destroying those torrent sites - ironically, it's illegal HOW DO WE SINK THESE PIRATES?! |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 902 Joined: 14 May 2008   |
I suggest we start by issuing an Executive Order to send our military to destroy these servers using any means of weapons we have at our disposal. Then once we have dealt with all the pirates we next proceed to destroying the source of piracy. Yes, I of course am referring to Hong Kong. We declare war on Hong Kong and then once we accomplish the complete destruction of Hong Kong we can then convert it into a giant Disney Land. Afterwords to prevent future piracy we implant small chips into the brains of everyone that would be a sort of lie detector. When they are committing a crime we can have the chip activate and control their movements to delete any piracy software on their computer then the chip would also erase any memory of said piracy and mind control occurrence. Vote Juandonde for president =D |
Beat Writer Posts: 217 Joined: 11 Aug 2008 |
Perfect! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2615 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 |
Easy: Distribute your game on Steam. In the last 4 years, I have bought two non-Steam PC games (and only because they weren't available on Steam...bastards!). |
Beat Writer Posts: 174 Joined: 7 Jun 2008 |
Yeah, i wish they would put some classics up there. |
Beat Writer Posts: 217 Joined: 11 Aug 2008 |
Yeah, i love steam. so convenient i'll never leave my basement again. |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 7 Joined: 16 Aug 2008  | Easier. DONT MAKE ME PAY 80 USD FOR A GAME! I have nothing against buying games, but sometimes, Demos are not even released and you simply have to take your chances. I did that with Star Wars Battlefront and I sorely regretted it. Most games I buy are from second hand stores, where I older (and better) games. Next game I will buy will be StarCraft II or Wrath of the Lich King. Whatever comes first. |
Beat Writer Posts: 127 Joined: 26 Jun 2008 | As somebody mentioned, what about games that are no longer for sale, stopping them would be sad :( Have been able to play numerous old gems that came out before my time by downloading them illegally, even though i buy every other game. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 5 Joined: 19 Aug 2008 |
Actually this has been going on for a while now. The trouble is, most trackers have a comment system so it's fairly easy to tell if a torrent works, besides the dummy IPs would be all over the internet and everyone's banlists. Why are you so paranoid about this, anyway? Once you've started selling your game over Steam, anyone who insists on pirating is a cheapskate anyway. And a cheapskate probably wouldn't have bought the game in the first place. |
Muckraker  Posts: 261 Joined: 10 Jan 2008 | Alternatively, companies could lower the prices of downloading games legally over the internet. If your two choices are 60$ and 0$ the choice is pretty obvious, but if it was, for example, 10$ and 0$ many would find that downloading games illegally isn't worth the extra effort. If they convince 5 people who would have normally downloaded the game to buy it, they've made up the difference. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 10 Joined: 4 Nov 2007 | Online registration/subscriptions of software is probably what the industry (software in general, not necessarily games) is going to go to. Every time you use the program, it logs you in. No login, no use. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 4 Joined: 22 Aug 2008 | Steams cool, but don't games that make it on Steam still manage to get on torrent sites?? Seems like the industry only has three options: |
Muckraker  Posts: 324 Joined: 4 Jun 2008 | What about this: 1. Pirate pirates torrent. 2. When the pirate tries to install the game, the pirate gets a screen full of reasons why you shouldn't pirate games. 3. Pirate regrets, sells all his belongings, donates the money to game companies and joins the nearby Buddhist shrine to live for the rest of his live. 4. ?????? 5. Profit! Replacing 2. phase with a screamer is fine too. |
Muckraker Posts: 261 Joined: 10 Jan 2008 |
Seems like that's the way it's already gone. I was vacationing at my parent's house awhile back and they don't have internets. So I figured "Hey, no problem. I'll just go the the local game shop and get a single player computer game." But NO! I couldn't actually PLAY the game I just BOUGHT because I can't get on the internet to register it! Anyone else miss the days when you could just buy a game, install it and play? |
Paperboy  Posts: 14 Joined: 14 Mar 2008 |
You don't. It's like catching the wind. Pirates are some of the sharpest on the internet and they will always find a way. Pirates do it because games are expensive and they don't want to pay, instead they'll do what they do best; messing around with stuff on computers. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2792 Joined: 20 Dec 2007 | I think CD Project is making something called "Good old Games" where it will have a bigger selection than gametap, but no subscription, so you just buy the games form there for like, 5 dollars. No more sifting through The Pirate Bay for Fallout 3 and Deus Ex. |
Paperboy Posts: 49 Joined: 8 Apr 2008 | Lower prices just seems to be the way to sink piracy. Developers need to abandon the notion that incredibly good graphics that raise production costs are essential. I'm not saying cut corners, but i'm saying there's no need to pimp everything out if you're going to have to slap a £50 price tag on it. People 'will' pirate if the games industry insists on pricing them out of the market. I remember when paying £30 was a stretch for a game. Every other next gen console release just seems to get more expensive though. It's like they think we won't notice we're suddenly paying almost twice the price for something questionably 'superior'. I bought Vampire the Masquerade - Bloodlines recently for £10, and it's really been a more rewarding experience than any £50 game i've ever paid for (and promptly returned). Hell, i've played it through three times now and i'm getting ready for my fourth because of the abundance of choices which affect gameplay immensly. How often does 'that' happen with a single player game? |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 560 Joined: 6 Jul 2008  | Incorporating more online features into games could help stop piracy. I've pirated lots of games in my day but I've always bought the ones I wanted to play online. I realize this isn't possible for all formats, but it's something to think about. The vast majority of the games that I steal are all old games which no one but retailers and ebay sellers are making money off of such as snes/nes games and old PS1 games (the xbox 360 controller makes a PERFECT mock PS1 controller). I can't ethically defend it, but i'm willing to be in the wrong if it means i'm not going to have to pay 85 dollars for a copy of Final Fantasy 7. EDIT: Also, increasing game size/storage space of removable media will also contribute, it's easy to download a bunch of PS1 games to your hard drive, but how many 50 GB Blu-ray ps3 games will fit on the average hard drive? Not enough to inspire anyone other than the hardest-cored pirates to invest in a multi-TB hard drive, and they are such a small minority they barely contribute to the problem of piracy. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3675 Joined: 29 Nov 2007    | Actually me and my friend just came up with the best diea ever. Start creating seeds and torrents and what-not, that by all accounts would function like what you're trying to downlaod, IE: length, filesize and what-not. |
Muckraker  Posts: 319 Joined: 27 Jul 2008 | I advocate what I like to call "legalized piracy", wherein I imagine there being an international law stating the following: Any form of entertainment media (including but not limited to video games, movies etc.) that are on the brink of or are no longer in production at all will be released to the public domain available for free uninhibited downloading. Copyrights and trademarks will still apply per standard laws where required. Any attempts at profiting from this clause by re-selling pirated media will be considered a violation of applicable copyright laws and all offenders will be prosecuted. Edit: Obviously such a law will never exist. I just wish there WAS one. |
Paperboy Posts: 30 Joined: 16 Jun 2008 | HUGE problem with that. They can launch a campaign to quickly get most of the pirates and it wouldn't actually be extremely costly, but you can't throw the majority of your population in jail. |
Muckraker  Posts: 300 Joined: 17 Aug 2008 | make those games cheaper... |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 583 Joined: 9 Feb 2008 | Honestly, I hate trolling to any degree, but the RIAA and the MPAA are both billion dollar industries, don't you think they have people working around the clock... lawyers, hackers, the lot of them, making oodles to brainstorm the solution to the problem at hand? Well, problem, from one point of view... A lot of people just bootleg things to size them up for a future sale, or just to sample the goods and move on. Siding with the powers that be doesn't make you look any more heroic to them. You're still looked at by them as a dollar amount, depending on your demographic. In America, at least, capitalism rules the land. How can you say you're a part of that unless you take any opportunity to get something for free that presents itself? This argument has beaten down the forums of this site an many, many more. The result? Mere publicity for the sites that are willing to host pirated software. I, personally, hope that everyone in the music/movie industry gets blue in the face worrying about this, and eventually has to make significantly less money than there current 'richer than fucking god' paychecks. For the rest of the world, who make a whole lot less than the people that can't figure out why people don't want to pay x amount of dollars for intellectual property... I hope you get your fill. And then some. Wasn't fucking Robin Hood the good guy? Because most of you are afraid to admit that, yes, stealing from the top to give to the bottom is, indeed, admirable. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 583 Joined: 9 Feb 2008 |
Another QFT |
Paperboy Posts: 30 Joined: 16 Jun 2008 |
Quantum Field Theory? |
Honorable Mention: Escapist Film Festival  Posts: 1749 Joined: 21 Feb 2008     |
Oh, if only. |
Beat Writer Posts: 217 Joined: 11 Aug 2008 |
Yes Robin Hood stole from the rich and gave to the poor, but if your pirating you arn't giving to the poor, at best your just giving to other pirates, at worst your just giving to yourself. Plus game dev's gotta eat to ya know. |
Paperboy  Posts: 13 Joined: 23 Aug 2008 | Hello blokes and lasses ... new here and don't want to appear a knob, but the piracy thing is interesting. What differentiates legitimate ownership from pirating? .... for an album (ok .. not sure what the current term is) it's reading the sleeve notes, having it on the table when the swinging party begins .."could you just undo my... oh!.. isn't that the new one from the Dave Clark 5?" or just being able to alphabeticise it under the Bang & Olufsen... pride in ownership I guess. |
Paperboy  Posts: 19 Joined: 16 Jul 2008 | I find it funny that piracy could probably be solved by a few methods. I dont think zwandaba's method would not work as mentioned throughout this post, the files would be easily reported as a dud file by the torrent community and will be rendered undownloadable.
I wish that law existed too. |
Just thought about this today and wanted to get an opinion.
One way in which 'Casual' Video game piracy via Torrents could be stopped is by basically having a major publisher do the following:
- A publisher purchases about 500 cheap computers/servers to continuously upload, seed and leech 'Dummy'torrents.
- 'Bomb' torrent sites with Dummy torrents, these would look real and would even be up to a 1000 in numbers
- These torrent sites would become so unreliable that 'Casual' piracy will go down.
Such services could be offered to a developer with a "If we publish your game you get free bombing!!" I think this can work for music as well but only having a weak impact, since you can actually record music (you can't record gameplay)
What you think?? Stupid?? Any problems??