Well, using asymetrical analog sticks like on an XBox pad feels great to me, way better than using a PS2 pad, weird huh ?

Otherwise I have a hard time adjusting to the Wii sensor bar, I'm not used to it (remember, I do not own a Wii and I only played at a friend's on a handful of games, including Brawl, Wii Sports, Red Steel and Ghost Squad), so I usually play quite bad...
Best aiming devices remain keyboard and mouse to me, but the 360 pad is probably one of the best gamepads ever (never tried FPS on the Gamecube, but a friend lent me his with TimeSplitters 2, so I'll give it a shot).

Apocalypse Tank:
I have a 360 and my father have a wii
Its one thing to be irritatingly ugly, and its another to just throw the graphics out the window.

yeah sure, you can put up the "graphics isn't everything because its fun" argument, but I can't stand it.

Fair enough dude, if graphics are your bag then go for it, I won't knock you at all. I fact i do have to say that most games these days do rely on graphics to prop up lackluster game play.
When this isn't there, as say for example the recent wii version of iron man, you notice how bad the game is.

Myself, i must just be easily pleased, or a weirdo, as when i saw TP i just thought, very nice graphics, but i preferred WWs' style.

As for mature games, I still have to point to Majoras' Mask, which was released on the N64. It to me, shows quite clearly what nintendo can do that other developers struggle to. The game is very kid friendly, and i would argue its easier in its main quest that OOT. However for the more mature gamers, it packs in 'hardcore'(whatever the hell that is anyway) side quests, and a vein of black humor that had me roaring with laughter. And this was in a bright sparkly world with no blood or swearing involved, something most games that are 'mature' rely on these days.

In regards to shooting games on the wii, red steel took the first steps where as MP3 got it walking. I will admit it took me a while to come to terms with the wii mote controls, but thats just because i wasn't used the such freedom. I would argue that it wil take a while to lock down Wii FPS controls so they are in line with a PC, but the new add on they have announced(hopefully) should allow it.

Mature games? Eternal Darkness takes them all out for lunch and dinner when it comes to "maturity."

Misconceptions about PC gaming.

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EDIT: Wow, this thread went down the pan pretty fast.

I'm just glad people could come along and have a bitch! hehe

Danny Ocean:

EDIT: Wow, this thread went down the pan pretty fast.

Yeah,there's nothing new going on here. All been done/said before

There's no shame in anything apart from for the people that make fun of others for being different than what is typically considered an average person. They rightfully should feel shame.

I own a Wii as well.
I does have some really great games, however few they may be.
Mario Galaxy currently holds the rating as the 2nd best game of all time on gamekrankings.com, which is saying something.
Also, Metroid and - to a lesser extend - Zelda are also kick-ass games (although I'd whish we could get a new hero, damsel in distress or even a new color of clothing in upomming Zelda-titles)
It's just too bad that Nintendo has completely shifted all focus away from singleplayer and made the Wii a party-box IMO.

My first reaction to this thread was "Good for you! Now I need to go make breakfast."

Honestly, should you really care about the stereotype of Wii owners? Personally, I have yet to meet an adult who plays with the Wii, all adults/grandparents I've seen were buying the Wii for their children (in the line I was in for a Wii, first in line with a kid and his parent, then two grandparents, then an awesome Indian guy :D Unfortunately, there was a shipping error with only 3 Wiis and the Indian guy couldn't get it. GOD DAMNIT NINTENDO! Why can't you produce more?!?!?)

If you're 24 and own a Wii and still play it, good for you. I respect that because when I play my Wii, I play it for 2 or so weeks then just drop it. To this day, I havn't touched it and rebooted Okami and I really want to play Okami again but I just don't have the will or effort to just turn the power on.

nothing wrong with any of that. Its really a matter of opinion. I like all three consoles and my mac gets a kick out of Halo, but the wii is just plain better. Oh, no DVD player or high end graphics; not cool! Purely aesthetic things. graphics can be lived without, and just change the damn TV from video 2 to 3 to watch a movie, so who cares? Really its just because there's something for everyone on the wii. You got Wii sports and Wii play for your grandmother, mario kart and paper mario for your little brother(although these are things I enjoy too), Guitar hero and rayman for parties, and Resident evil and the upcoming GTA and dead rising for you! If you're happy with the wii then good, because it will also be good for your little brothers.

Kimozabi:

Also, Metroid and - to a lesser extend - Zelda are also kick-ass games (although I'd whish we could get a new hero, damsel in distress or even a new color of clothing in upomming Zelda-titles)

Dude, The Wii Zelda still has Zelda in it, but she's not the damsel in distress. Just like she wasn't in Majora's Mask, Link's Awakening or Oracle Of Ages/Seasons (she was in this game but only a bonus quest if i remember correctly). I'm not sure if she's in 4 swords though (EDIT: As I haven't played it)

Even when you look at Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass, it's not really THE zelda, or THE link. Just the game's way of showing the same people with the same fate will continue to re-emerge. That's how I always saw it anyway.

There's nothing saying that that many of the games are directly linked either (pardon the pun) apart from the obvious few.

Cyclomega:

Eggo:

Decoy Doctorpus:
To put it into perspective mate, and I mean no offense here, you're 24, you own a wii and you're really into Dragon Ball Z. The stereotype, alas, still stands.

As a Wii owner, I still laughed.

I probably laughed harder actually :o

When it comes to FPS controls, I honestly think the Wii has the most satisfying and fun control scheme to offer for first person shooters for any console out there.

If only now they would release a good FPS on the Wii, maybe I haven't played enough at a friend's, but so far I have found the controls dodgy (especially the UbiSoft way of managing sniper zoom) and the FPS I have played on a Wii were run-of-the-mill or failed ports (Red Steel and FarCry jump to my mind, as well as Call of Duty, and I did not play Metroid Prime 3 yet, mind you, I feel the Metroid Prime series is an exception and I see them as FPE (exploration) more than shooting.
Now if you prove me wrong, well my bad.

Everyone I know said Medal of Honor 2 on the Wii was great, and Red Steel 2 looks pretty good.

Medal of Honor Heroes 2 ? I played it on the PSP... it's still the exact same medal of honor for years, and it's not only nothing new, but it's so scripted that Wolfenstein 3D and Spear of Destiny both appear to have human-like AI in comparison...
PROTIP : Medal of Honor is not a very good measure of FPS quality...

Red Steel 2 : maybe so, but Red Steel controls are a bit dodgy methinks, especially the sniper zoom handling...

Well, you just asked for a good FPS. Everyone said Medal of Honor 2 on the Wii was good, especially the online. And Red Steel 2 looks like they fixed some of that stuff. Also, odd thing, to fix a lot of the errors in Red Steel turn the Wiimote volume down to below half-way.

Cyclomega:
Medal of Honor Heroes 2 ? I played it on the PSP... it's still the exact same medal of honor for years, and it's not only nothing new, but it's so scripted that Wolfenstein 3D and Spear of Destiny both appear to have human-like AI in comparison...
PROTIP : Medal of Honor is not a very good measure of FPS quality...

Red Steel 2 : maybe so, but Red Steel controls are a bit dodgy methinks, especially the sniper zoom handling...

Oh, and PROTIP: comparing a portable game title to a console/desktop title is inane. Would you seriously compare the experience provided by COD4 on the PSP to the experience provided by COD4 on the PC? Lulz.

Well I've never had a problem with my 360, and I prefer being able to use analog sticks and buttons to aim, move and perform actions. Rather than having to swing and lunge with a little plastic box to do anything in a game.

I don't know if anyone else had this problem, but I found the Wiimote to be very unreliable One moment it worked flawlessly, next moment I'm pointing it at the left side of the screen and it refuses to move from the middle. Games requiring you to hold it on it's side and tilt it forward to move (Mario Kart Wii) were even worse, as you have to turn the thing almost completely upside down for it to go anywhere.

I personally hate the Wii and don't really understand what children (And certain adults I suppose) find so great about it. But hey man, whatever floats your boat.

Well I've never had a problem with my 360, and I prefer being able to use analog sticks and buttons to aim, move and perform actions. Rather than having to swing and lunge with a little plastic box to do anything in a game.

You can actually aim with horribly slow dual analog sticks?

Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?

Eggo : there is no CoD4 on PSP, it's on DS, and if MoHH2 is the same game on PSP and Wii, format excepted, then the issues are more than likely to be the same, see King Kong on PS2, GC, XB, PC and PSP for example.
By the way, did I mention something about graphics or control schemes ?
No. I talked about the horribly uninspiring maps, shitty AI and overscripting.

Well you know, about the analog sticks, the "horribly slow" is seriously biaised, you can set the sensitivity at will usually now, so you can have extremely responsive dual analogs...

For me its not so much that I expect every Wii owner to be 5 years old, I just feel like 5 year olds are the target audience of the Wii. I was very excited about the Wii when it was announced, but as of right now it only has 2 games that I would play, and only one game that I really want to play.

I appreciate the fact that the Wii COULD be a better console (to some) for FPS' and that they aren't fulfilling their potential in ways. But it's still early days yet and I wouldn't want the Wii to leg-hump one genre of game if it were to (hypothetically) become the new FPS king and forget about the rest.

It's versatile and an above average all-rounder IMO, but they didn't have to skimp out of a DVD player on it though :(

One FPS I liked on my GameCube that I've played on my Wii recently, is XIII. It's a really nice looking game with a good story too. Lovely cliff-hanger at the end.

Wonder if they're bothering to follow that up. Anyone know?

Hard to tell, I don't remember it as a commercial success and the comics series is over, the last story was published this year.

There are big chances this game will stay as a one-shot...

Cyclomega:
Hard to tell, I don't remember it as a commercial success and the comics series is over, the last story was published this year.

There are big chances this game will stay as a one-shot...

That's a shame. I really liked the fact it was an FPS that was comic book/cell shaded, rather then as close to real life as possible.

Oh yeah, and it was David Duchovny who did the lead's voice. Which was strange, but entertaining.

It would have been stupid to play on photorealism when you're making a game out of a comic book. Yet I get your point.

Cyclomega:
Eggo : there is no CoD4 on PSP, it's on DS, and if MoHH2 is the same game on PSP and Wii, format excepted, then the issues are more than likely to be the same, see King Kong on PS2, GC, XB, PC and PSP for example.
By the way, did I mention something about graphics or control schemes ?
No. I talked about the horribly uninspiring maps, shitty AI and overscripting.

Cyclomega:
Well you know, about the analog sticks, the "horribly slow" is seriously biaised, you can set the sensitivity at will usually now, so you can have extremely responsive dual analogs...

Protip: very high sensitivity takes the problem away from "horribly slow" to "horribly inaccurate."

For the record, I've ALWAYS preferred a mouse over analogue sticks. Especially when playing an FPS

The only thing that kindof irked me about this thread is the statement that Nintendo is trying new things. Sure, console wise perhaps, but comeone on! Mario, Zelda, Sonic! Need I say more?

Btw, I agree with you on the rest, I own a WII. It rocks!

Cahlee:
The only thing that kindof irked me about this thread is the statement that Nintendo is trying new things. Sure, console wise perhaps, but comeone on! Mario, Zelda, Sonic! Need I say more?

Btw, I agree with you on the rest, I own a WII. It rocks!

Haha, Sonic. I don't blame them really. I reckon they feel pretty sorry for Sega and release their games out of courtesy, or pity. So one day Sega will have enough money to build another console and add a bit more competition to the race.

Either that or it'll just be something the others will use to show how great their console is. "You think OUR gfx card is outdate? Have you seen the Sega one?"

Or something like that :D

God I loved Sega! Aladdin was the only game I could beat my brother at when we were growing up. I have it on my Mac now!

Cahlee:
God I loved Sega! Aladdin was the only game I could beat my brother at when we were growing up. I have it on my Mac now!

Ace, I had Aladdin too. I have to mention Comix Zone. That's my favourite Mega Drive\Genesis game. Available on Wii's virtual console too.

Bonus! :D

If you take a look at Nintendo's own releases, they fall into line like this (abbreviated list):

Core games:
Zelda Twilight Princess
Super Paper Mario
Metroid Prime 3
Super Mario Strikers Charged
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Mario Kart Wii

Casual games:
WiiSports
Big Brain Academy
WiiFit

So, the idea that Nintendo is somehow leading the charge certainly doesn't hold water. I guess it's all the casual shovelware from people like Ubisoft?

Look. When you've got a console that has all those games in the upper list -- one of which won GOTY from many gaming sites last year -- plus non-first party ones I didn't mention, I don't think any adult should feel the least bit of shame or discomfort in owning that console.

Andy Anonymous:
If you take a look at Nintendo's own releases, they fall into line like this (abbreviated list):

Core games:
Zelda Twilight Princess
Super Paper Mario
Metroid Prime 3
Super Mario Strikers Charged
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Mario Kart Wii

Casual games:
WiiSports
Big Brain Academy
WiiFit

So, the idea that Nintendo is somehow leading the charge certainly doesn't hold water. I guess it's all the casual shovelware from people like Ubisoft?

Look. When you've got a console that has all those games in the upper list -- one of which won GOTY from many gaming sites last year -- plus non-first party ones I didn't mention, I don't think any adult should feel the least bit of shame or discomfort in owning that console.

Hehe, thanks. Even if I don't have a shelf full of Wii games yet (only got about 6), I've still got loads for the Cube and DS.

Then there's also the endless amount of PC games that I've been collecting for the last 20 years or so! lol

Cyclomega:
Hard to tell, I don't remember it as a commercial success and the comics series is over, the last story was published this year.

There are big chances this game will stay as a one-shot...

The comic it was based on is French isn't it? Or are there English versions out there too?.............if you know. Thanks!

No idea, I live in France, so I only read the French version, same for Largo Winch.
It's a Franco-Belgian comic in fact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XIII_(comic)

Apparently there have been releases in English, but not with much success...

poleboy:

I'm sorry, what? What the hell game was that guy playing? Or did he only play for five minutes before making his biased verdict? Because SMS includes some of the most anal, unforgiving EVIL platform levels I have EVER experienced in my twenty years of playing video games. Some of the levels where you lose the watergun and have to navigate huge rotating mazes surrounded by a childish rendition of space made me simply put down my controller in complete apathy and sob quietly. That game broke my hardened spirit with a colorful grin and a wink, and cheerfully suggested that I could have a few more lives if I wanted to try again.

You mean the good part of the game. Unfortunately though you could complete the game without doing those particular missions.