Amnestic:
It should be noted, I think, that Deus Ex was released for the consoles (PS2, specifically) after Halo was released.

Though Rainbow Six was released beforehand. I was searching for examples, but my knowledge of FPS games back then is somewhat limited. I wasn't really into them that much ;/

Fair Enough, I shall remove it from the list.

Also, there were relatively few FPS games even on consoles before Halo came out. If Halo had come up with the idea after 2-3 years of games using the triggers to turn, one stick to aim and the B button to move forward, I could give it credit for innovation. Best I can do is give it credit for not being stupid, in that department. Saying console FPS games "ripped off" halo is like saying everyone who put circular things on their wagons to move them about is ripping off the guy who invented the wheel. It was conceived as such because it works and doing it any other way is completely effing retarded (as a few games even now are determined to remind us).

DeadlyFred:
Also, there were relatively few FPS games even on consoles before Halo came out. If Halo had come up with the idea after 2-3 years of games using the triggers to turn, one stick to aim and the B button to shoot, I could give it credit for innovation. Best I can do is give it credit for not being stupid, in that department.

Not really innovative, but I'm glad you got my point.

So what you're kind of telling me is that Rainbow Six came out before Halo and had a similar if not identicle control scheme?

Halo's approach to vehicles is still not in any other game I've played, neither are Needlers, or stickies.

If you really wanted to beat the dead horse with a thorny stick, you could say Halo did nothing but rip off existing PC controls. Either way, considering its control scheme as an innovation is a damn long shot.

Eldritch Warlord:
Halo's approach to vehicles is still not in any other game I've played, neither are Needlers, or stickies.

That's because Halo's vehicle control sucked.

Sticky bombs have been in existence, though perhaps not gaming, years and years before Halo was concieved, to be fair.

And the Warthog controls are something I wouldn't want to repeat.

Quake2 for the N64 already used the analog stick to aim. So unless there's a game before Q2 that used a stick to aim, that one was the first and it set a standard with it.

The only new FPS thing brought by halo(I think), is that grenades are not their own weapon, but a secondary you can use at any time.

I myself don't hate halo 1, it was a nice game. Halo 2 however, I hate that game because it was a huge waste of money without xbox live. It removed all good weapons, and rebalanced the new ones for online play and almost ignored offline. I can't say I've played halo 3, I played it once and quit after a minute because I hated the control scheme which I believe was murdered, fed to a dog, put through a meat grinder and the remains were then given to a blind kid with the order to put it back together

DeadlyFred:
If you really wanted to beat the dead horse with a thorny stick, you could say Halo did nothing but rip off existing PC controls. Either way, considering its control scheme as an innovation is a damn long shot.

Eldritch Warlord:
Halo's approach to vehicles is still not in any other game I've played, neither are Needlers, or stickies.

That's because Halo's vehicle control sucked.

I never said innovative, and quite frankly I don't care if it's a clone of another game, it's fun. I'm only arguing that it advanced anything in any way because so many people seem to think that a game has to do that to be worth playing.

And sucked compared to what exactly? That statement makes me believe that you haven't played Halo and thus should not argue about it.

Eldritch, we've proven to you Halo didn't exactly innovate anything. Just brought it to the mainstream. Deal with it.

Oh no, not again.

*crash, tinkle-tinkle*

-- Steve

i think halo is a good, maybe even great game! (not a fanboy)

it may not be the best looking, balanced, or anything...but it aint 'alf fun flying with some good friends.

why does everyone hate halo? cause its part of xbox live, which unfortunatly comes with all the [insert angry words here] people on it, and they ruin it for everyone.

It's massively overrated and the most repetitive game I have played in recent memory. Kill worthless drones x100 then they respawn and repeat. About as original has a ham sandwich (ham and cheese in America/Canada)

Halo is about on par with Half-Life (the first one) with it's minimal scripted events with no compelling characters. Not only that Halo 2 and 3 are just repeats, with no improvement. If I was getting bored by the end of the first game I was fast asleep by the end of 3 (although I actually never did bother to play it for more than a few minutes).

Halo is what it is, an exceeding unoriginal and repetitive game. It's not really terrible but I can name at least 5 recent similar games that are much better. Like say Bioshock, Gears of War, Half-Life 2, F.E.A.R, even Republic Commando was more fun.

On the other hand, I thought Crysis was much worse. I would like Halo a lot more if they had only made the first one because I wouldn't have had so much time to get bored.

Aries_Split:
Eldritch, we've proven to you Halo didn't exactly innovate anything. Just brought it to the mainstream. Deal with it.

WTF Aries? I never said it did anything else.

EDIT: Wait, I could see why you thought that. Omit the first sentence.

1. I couldn't hear the guns half the time, and when I did they sounded like my old nerf gun.
2. The character of Master Chief is the asshole that makes fun of me in school but is somehow loved by all.
3. The voice acting was god awful.
4. Multi-player sucked big floppy donkey dick.

Wardog13:
Why do so many people hate Halo? I know a lot of people think it is just overrated, that is true, but people who don't own an Xbox, and never really gave it a far chance, why?

To sort of quote from Shindler's list (which a saw again fairly recently)
"Now I hate halo because you dare to ask why I hate halo."

i Love The Games I Just Hate The Thick Dicks On Live That Have To shout HAX every time they die.You all know the kinda gamer im on about jocks with just enough brain cells to pick up a controller and the fanatics who think they are "leet" and arnt allowed to die . i dont play it online for that reason alone and tbh i think its what puts most people off it

In my own opinion, the reason why some people hate halo is because they feel that since it is supposed to be the xboxs ''killer app'', that they have to bad mouth it. I don't love halo. I love Bioshock. I LIKE Halo just for some multiplayer fun every now and then.

I was always annoyed when reviewers would rate Halo over Metriod Prime which in all facts a much more innovative FPS than Halo ever will be. Though Echoes was pretty average it was a damn sight better than Halo 2!

But the one game that no one has mentioned (which is surprising) Is Golden Eye on N64 a brilliant game that pioneered all Halo did now like how long ago? ten years ago and was better at it to (lol)

Dont get me wrong I do enjoy Halo it's pretty cool and I do love Red vs Blue absolute hilarity but there are much, much better First Person shooters out on the market

Now, I only played Halo 1 and 2, so the "multiplayer affair" that everyone seems to believe that Halo 3 is remains unplayed by me but, based on my experiences thus far, I really like Halo. Then again I always (and I do mean ALWAYS) play it on co-op or against people in the same room, so no Xbox Live, and always on Legendary (on the co-op, obviously).

And I don't even own an Xbox.

Best of all though, is that I didn't realize that loving or hating Halo was to be a topic so... problematic.

i hate halo 3 because like any game that has a third or possibly fourth installment it starts to suck i loved halo and halo 2 and when halo 3 came out i was kind exited but not totally excited because i expected the same out of them as the guys that made resident evil,1 & 2 awesome 3 sucked and 4 kicked ass i hope its like that and halo 4 kicks ass

The first halo was great, and it was simple in a time where that was largely expected from shooters. However, bungie never tried to change the game for the times, and released the same game with better graphics and the occasional gimmick multiple (duel wielding, etc) times. That said, I still find all 3 fun, its just not deserving of all the praise it gets, nor all the bile.

The Fanbase is what puts me off the Halo Franchise.

However, I would still play Halo 3 if I were bored.